Re: Ok to use upstream doumentation as-is (i.e. not regenerate)?

2011-06-08 Thread David Claughton
On 07/06/11 14:16, Vincent Danjean wrote: > On 07/06/2011 14:36, Osamu Aoki wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 12:54:23PM +0200, Vincent Danjean wrote: >>> On 05/06/2011 07:39, Vincent Bernat wrote: On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 21:54:11 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > What I do is use upstream

Re: Bug#592839: dpkg-source option to remove files on unpack: debian/source/remove-files

2010-08-19 Thread David Claughton
On 19/08/10 07:02, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > David Claughton writes: >>> Legally that should be the same. And practically you would have the >>> useless files on the initial source unpack but they would be gone when >>> debian/rules is invoked the first time

Re: Bug#592839: dpkg-source option to remove files on unpack: debian/source/remove-files

2010-08-18 Thread David Claughton
On 18/08/10 09:29, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > David Claughton writes: > >> On 13/08/10 17:58, Russ Allbery wrote: >>> Raphael Hertzog writes: >>> >>>> As suggested by Ian on -devel (see attachment), it would be nice to have >>>> a wa

Re: Bug#592839: dpkg-source option to remove files on unpack: debian/source/remove-files

2010-08-14 Thread David Claughton
On 13/08/10 17:58, Russ Allbery wrote: > Raphael Hertzog writes: > >> As suggested by Ian on -devel (see attachment), it would be nice to have >> a way to remove files during unpack of a source package to hide non-free >> files from our users without stripping them from the original tarball. > >

Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-22 Thread David Claughton
On 22/07/10 09:44, Jesús M. Navarro wrote: > Hi, Manoj: > > On Thursday 22 July 2010 07:17:15 Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 21 2010, Will wrote: >> > Also I imagine that it helps that they have some kind of commercial >> > support behind their projects, whereas Debian has little/none of t

Re: git and quilt

2010-02-07 Thread David Claughton
Hi Vincent, Vincent Bernat wrote: > Now, if upstream want to get patch Z, he can : > - get patch Z for version X.Y > - get patch between upstream (X+1).0 and master (X+1).0 containing >patch Z and other stuff > Well, in this example there wouldn't be any "other stuff" - you would do t

New Graphviz version 2.26.3 in experimental: please test

2010-02-02 Thread David Claughton
Hi, Version 2.26.3 of Graphviz has been uploaded to experimental. This new version is a significant jump from the existing 2.20 versions in stable and testing. The main differences are : 1. libagraph is no longer available - all packages now need to use libcgraph instead. This should already

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-12-13 Thread David Claughton
Charles Plessy wrote: > [If I remember correctly, the question below is whether the law in the U.S.A. > requires us to reproduce all copyright statements from the source files when > we > redistribute binary programs, or if this is only needed when the license > expliciterly asks so.] > I believ

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-14 Thread David Claughton
Bernhard R. Link wrote: > As I said: I do not see a difference between a license that does not > give me some right (or even tries to take away some rights copyright law > does not take away) and a license which theoretically grant it but puts > so many restrictions in it that one practically does

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-14 Thread David Claughton
Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * David Claughton [091114 12:43]: >> I agree this makes the license problematic and might make developers >> choose to avoid working on AGPL code - however as I said above, all >> licenses put some limits on what you can modify, some more than other

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-14 Thread David Claughton
Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * David Claughton [091113 21:42]: >> Now this could certainly involve more extensive modifications than you >> might otherwise want to do, and you might well decide it's not worth the >> effort. However I'm still not entirely convinced i

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-13 Thread David Claughton
David Claughton wrote: > The Fungi wrote: >> goes a great deal further than this, by *requiring* you to become a >> distributor of software you use, even if you only do something so >> simple as make a minor modification to an AGPL-covered work >> providing a network

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-13 Thread David Claughton
The Fungi wrote: > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:07:12PM +0000, David Claughton wrote: > [...] >> It is always possible to modify free software in ways that effectively >> make it non-free - for example if you remove all the copyright >> statements from a BSD covered progr

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-12 Thread David Claughton
The Fungi wrote: > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 09:28:59PM +0000, David Claughton wrote: > [...] >> You might want to, but AFAICT you would not be able to distribute >> the result if the user cannot be told how to get the source to the >> AGPL parts you included. That doesn'

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-12 Thread David Claughton
Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Mike Hommey wrote: >> Stupid question: with this wording of the AGPL, who, in his right mind, >> will be licensing a DNS or POP server under this license ? (Except maybe >> someone who didn't read it) > > There are lots of people who pick

Re: What's the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread David Claughton
Daniel Moerner wrote: > On 08/12/2009 03:01 PM, David Claughton wrote: >> Manoj Srivastava wrote: >>> On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Neil Williams wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:16:14 -0500 >>>> Manoj Srivastava wrote: >>>> * updated

Re: What's the use for Standards-Versio n?

2009-08-12 Thread David Claughton
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Neil Williams wrote: > >> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:16:14 -0500 >> Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> * updated Standards-Version (no changes needed) > > Firstly, you do not ahve to put that into the changelog, and, > secondly, one should not have t

Re: Xen - Source?

2009-06-09 Thread David Claughton
Michael Shuler wrote: > You're right. Ben pointed to the xen patch directory in the linux-2.6 > source package in his reply - the package build should not fetch the > repo. I just spoke up (probably incorrectly, without asking for more > info) to help with what I thought he was seeing. > OK, fa

Re: Xen - Source?

2009-06-09 Thread David Claughton
Michael Shuler wrote: > On 06/09/2009 11:49 AM, Andreas wrote: >> Installing it (make), it downloads the binary of the hypervisor! >> "Cloning http://xenbits.xensource.com/linux-2.6.18-xen.hg " # >> (downloading) > > This is an incorrect understanding of that download step - it is a > *source

Re: Bug#438885: Mass bug filling: must use invoke-rc.d

2007-08-25 Thread David Claughton
Felipe Sateler wrote: Juan Céspedes wrote: invoke-rc.d is present since version 2.80-1 of sysvinit; maybe someone could have a modern package with a very old sysvinit, and thus without invoke-rc.d But oldstable has 2.86.ds1-1. I thought that only direct upgrades were supported. I guess the co

Re: Bug#438885: Mass bug filling: must use invoke-rc.d

2007-08-24 Thread David Claughton
Amaya wrote: In most cases the fix should be simple, replace this: /etc/init.d/package with this: if which invoke-rc.d >/dev/null 2>&1; then invoke-rc.d package else /etc/init.d/package fi Hi, I don't want to be a pest (given I'm not

Re: making debian/copyright machine-interpretable

2007-08-08 Thread David Claughton
François Févotte wrote: I'm not an expert at all, so I might be wrong. I guess this would be the case if your source package compiled a statically linked binary against a library belonging to another source package. The licence of the binary package would then be a combination of the licences of

Re: making debian/copyright machine-interpretable

2007-08-07 Thread David Claughton
Sam Hocevar wrote: That's right, we don't know the licensing terms of binary files. But if we stop at the "it's not sufficient" argument, we'll never get anywhere, because it is impossible for a source package to determine the exact licensing terms of its binary packages. I'll leave that to a

Re: Bug Squashing Party -- May 17th - 20th

2007-05-17 Thread David Claughton
Luk Claes wrote: David Claughton wrote: Is it useful to have bugs already fixed in sid included in the list for BSP purposes? I would have thought "bydist=both" would be more appropriate. You might want to read the section Testing-only bugs at [0] on why lenny-only bugs mig

Re: Bug Squashing Party -- May 17th - 20th

2007-05-15 Thread David Claughton
Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: where to find available RC bugs: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&ignnew=on&new=5 I'm just curious - the "ignore=sid" part means exclude bugs that only affect sid, correct? Which means bugs which affect lenny but are already fixed in sid are still