Wouter Verhelst schreef op 22-10-2016 21:39:
On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 02:43:13PM +0200, Bart Schouten wrote:
I have no problem with what Debian is today,
Actually, you do. You seem to be advocating against systemd; but
systemd
*is* what Debian is today. Jessie has been released with systemd
Wouter Verhelst schreef op 22-10-2016 10:12:
A lay user may find Debian is best used if they have someone nearby
who can help them sort out any problems. We can hope that the are
minor and we try to remove, where possible, barriers to fixing them.
I agree with the general gist of what you wro
You say I am defeatist but you are defending against loss...
Wouter Verhelst schreef op 22-10-2016 10:24:
I think that that is a feature, and that we should try to avoid losing
it.
I don't think so. Making something difficult is the best way to avoid
getting more users. Not getting more us
Ian Jackson schreef op 21-10-2016 17:26:
Wouter Verhelst writes ("Re: Proposed documentation, please comment!
[was Re: Bug#838919: debian-installer: please calculate swap parition
according to max RAM...]"):
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 01:41:11PM +0200, Bart Schouten wrote:
> I don&#
Adam D. Barratt schreef op 17-10-2016 17:38:
On 2016-10-17 16:04, Bart Schouten wrote:
I also want to just quickly summarize my position here, since some
very long posts were written on this and linked into the thread by
someone.
And you then wrote another very long post. We really don't
Nikolaus Rath schreef op 17-10-2016 18:26:
On Oct 17 2016, Bart Schouten wrote:
(And I write SystemD with caps because that makes it
easier to read, people invented capitals for a reason).
What would you think some people consistently spelled your name as Bart
SchouteN with the same
I also want to just quickly summarize my position here, since some very
long posts were written on this and linked into the thread by someone.
I have only three issues with SystemD in order of diminishing
importance:
1) it is very hard to get up to speed with systemd, you run up against
wall
I just want to respond after all this time because I ignored this debate
as I hadn't had time for it.
Russ you state in the email of 30-08 that you wish people would realize
the nuances between a system that can do one thing and a system that can
do another thing and both have advantages, and
Pascal Grange schreef op 05-10-2016 9:32:
I use this software in a daily basis on debian systems. A small
community is emerging, also using it and asking for easier ways
to install it on Debian systems.
Sounds like good reasons,
Regarding the fact that bash_unit only supports bash, this was
Nicholas D Steeves schreef op 30-09-2016 0:18:
Page title or section heading of "I've upgraded my RAM and my
swap partition/LV is no longer big enough to hibernate".
I don't think Debian is for lay users, but yeah.
7. There would also need to be a section on reinitialising encrypted
swap.
Tollef Fog Heen schreef op 24-09-2016 18:12:
]] Bart Schouten
Your client seems to word-wrap poorly.
Russ Allbery schreef op 24-09-2016 2:48:
> I guess I'm finding it quite remarkable how much concerted effort
> seems to be going into try to make me feel ashamed of my behavior in
Russ Allbery schreef op 24-09-2016 2:48:
The Wanderer writes:
While I see the perspective which leads you to that statement, I don't
think that's strictly correct.
The way I usually put it is that "if you expect to be excused because
of
it, it's an excuse".
Some excuses are valid, mind.
Russ Allbery schreef op 24-09-2016 1:12:
Bart Schouten writes:
I think the point that people are trying to get across is that a lot
of
what you say Russ feels like excuses.
An excuse is when you know you should do something but aren't going to
do
so, and are trying to justify
Ben Finney schreef op 22-09-2016 2:27:
Xen writes:
I would simply suggest that in principle you keep bugs open until it
no longer exists.
One reason bug reports get closed is because the report is far too
vague
to even know *whether* it exists, or under what conditions it would be
consider
Russ Allbery schreef op 21-09-2016 19:56:
Xen writes:
I would simply suggest that in principle you keep bugs open until it
no
longer exists. But that you introduce a different open state other
than
closed that will communicate "has been looked at, is not capable of
being solved right now". T
Russ Allbery schreef op 20-09-2016 1:15:
Bart Schouten writes:
I am just going to respond point by point. I was not merely talking
about open source here.
But I was. :) I'm not particularly interested in talking about
anything
else, since that's the point of this discussion: D
Steve Langasek schreef op 20-09-2016 1:26:
To summarize:
- Russ has patiently tried to help you understand why the relationship
between Debian and its users is *not* a customer-vendor
relationship, and
users do *not* have the right to expect that Debian, or a particular
Debian devel
Russ Allbery schreef op 19-09-2016 21:55:
The relationship absolutely exists. But it's not a customer
relationship.
It's much closer to the relationship between a gift giver and a gift
recipient. If you use that as a guide, I think everything becomes
clearer.
I am just going to respond poin
Lars Wirzenius schreef op 14-09-2016 12:15:
We do care about our users. However, due to the realities of volunteer
projects, we need users to help us help them. Reporting a bug that
"system freezes" isn't a problem that has an obvious solution: even
assuming that we understand what "system freez
Ben Finney schreef op 16-09-2016 6:19:
If the distinction were inconsequential I would agree. It's not
inconsequential, though, so that's why this is so valuable: it draws
attention to the false and misleading idea that the Debian Project has
a
“customer” relationship with anyone.
Pardon me
Andrey Rahmatullin schreef op 28-08-2016 22:06:
On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 09:23:58PM +0200, Bart Schouten wrote:
> You'll be doing yourself a favour. For better or for worse, the
> mis-spelling has become a shibboleth by which people tend to recognize
> mischievous pot-stirrers at
Philipp Kern schreef op 28-08-2016 12:41:
http://ral-arturo.blogspot.com/2016/08/why-conntrackd-in-debian-is-better-with.html
I am sorry I allowed myself to be drawn into this.
That "severely broken init script" is thus nothing more serious than any
other script out there, and the "very bad
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard schreef op 28-08-2016 13:56:
Bart Schouten:
Personally I do not run a non-SystemD system, [...]
Then please spell the name correctly. It is no more "SystemD" than
inetd is "INetD" or rsyslogd is "RSysLogD". It is "systemd".
Holger Levsen schreef op 26-08-2016 14:16:
So, obviously from my point of view, lack of sysvinit support is not a
bug.
And policy supports your view, considering the above (*) are
"compelling
reasons" to do so.
(*) and the fact that conntrackd is linux only…
Personally I do not run a non-
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