Work-needing packages report for May 30, 2025

2025-05-29 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 1180 (new: 0) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 129 (new: 0) Total number of packages reques

Re: Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-29 Thread Martin Hostettler
On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 06:46:29PM +0200, Julien Plissonneau Duqu�ne wrote:> > Unlike some people I believe that debbugs can be improved and modernized in > a satisfying way while retaining most if not all of its current interfaces. > This would minimize breakage and inconvenience for developers th

Bug#1106776: ITP: python-manhole -- Debugging manhole for python applications

2025-05-29 Thread Antoine Beaupre
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Antoine Beaupre X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-pyt...@lists.debian.org * Package name: python-manhole Version : 1.8.1 Upstream Contact: https://github.com/ionelmc * URL : https://github.com/ionelmc/python-man

Re: Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-29 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 01:15:23PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu May 29, 2025 at 9:58 AM BST, Holger Levsen wrote: > But their contribution is the thing that's valuable to us, more so than > their email address. no, it's the combination. we need to interact. -- cheers, Holger

Re: new contributor annoyances (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-29 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 17607 March 1977, Julien Plissonneau Duquène wrote: The delay is only a part of the issue, the other part is the lack of feedback that would allow the user to know if her registration is still pending or has been rejected. Oh, reject you get a mail. If its deleted, you don't. I like the

Bug#1106759: ITP: femto -- Tiny Emacs clone with tiny Lisp extension language

2025-05-29 Thread Georg Lehner
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Georg Lehner X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: femto Version : 2.21.6 Upstream Contact: Hugh Barney https://github.com/hughbarney * URL : https://github.com/jorge-leon/femto * License : public-do

Re: Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-29 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 01:03:56PM +0200, Julien Plissonneau Duquène wrote: Right now we have an implementation that is dated but mostly works so I think that there is no need to rush a move. Working on it for a while and experimenting with the real data in there will certainly help with figuri

Re: Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-29 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu May 29, 2025 at 9:58 AM BST, Holger Levsen wrote: (still, I think the answer to that should not be to hide email addresses but something else, eg maybe asking new bts users if they are aware that there email address will become public and block their submissions until they agree...) Bu

Re: Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 29, Julien Plissonneau Duquène wrote: Security measures should be proportional to the specific threat, and we actually know that targeted malicious attacks to the BTS are not happening. We know that they didn't happen so far. I would not be so sure about the future. There is always a

Re: Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-29 Thread Julien Plissonneau Duquène
Le 2025-05-29 10:58, Holger Levsen a écrit : (still, I think the answer to that should not be to hide email addresses but something else, eg maybe asking new bts users if they are aware that there email address will become public and block their submissions until they agree...) My personal

Re: Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-29 Thread Julien Plissonneau Duquène
Le 2025-05-28 18:41, Marco d'Itri a écrit : Security measures should be proportional to the specific threat, and we actually know that targeted malicious attacks to the BTS are not happening. We know that they didn't happen so far. I would not be so sure about the future. Anyway there are

Re: Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-29 Thread Julien Plissonneau Duquène
Le 2025-05-29 02:43, Colin Watson a écrit : While it might be possible to carry on doing without, the data fundamentally has many relational properties and an RDBMS would make life a lot easier. I wish I'd known what I know now about PostgreSQL when I was in my period of working on debbugs v

Re: Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-29 Thread Pirate Praveen
On 29/05/2025 2:25 pm, Holger Levsen wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 01:30:58PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: I've also seen very very few complaints about the fact that the BTS shows email addresses if submitters and contributors. And I'm definitly not aware that we identified this as a problem!

Re: My personal recommendation on how to create Debian packages from upstream Git

2025-05-29 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Thu 29 May 2025 at 11:31am +02, Marc Haber wrote: > On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 10:27:09AM +0100, Sean Whitton wrote: >>On Wed 28 May 2025 at 10:04pm +02, Marc Haber wrote: >>> My personal pet peeve is the difference between the source package and the >>> packaging git repository contents.

Re: My personal recommendation on how to create Debian packages from upstream Git

2025-05-29 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 10:27:09AM +0100, Sean Whitton wrote: On Wed 28 May 2025 at 10:04pm +02, Marc Haber wrote: My personal pet peeve is the difference between the source package and the packaging git repository contents. Those two especially differ in the state of patches: They're applied in

Re: My personal recommendation on how to create Debian packages from upstream Git

2025-05-29 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Thu 29 May 2025 at 05:26am +02, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote: > Isn't this what dgit is supposed to solve? dgit solves this for people wanting to make local changes and NMUs, yes. For maintainers, if you want to use patches-applied dgit will be happy with it but you'll probably want to u

Re: My personal recommendation on how to create Debian packages from upstream Git

2025-05-29 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Wed 28 May 2025 at 10:04pm +02, Marc Haber wrote: > My personal pet peeve is the difference between the source package and the > packaging git repository contents. Those two especially differ in the state of > patches: They're applied in the unpacked source package, and not applied in >

Re: Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-29 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 01:40:33AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > I've also seen very very few complaints about the fact that the BTS shows > > email addresses if submitters and contributors. And I'm definitly not aware > > that we identified this as a problem! > owner@bugs gets complaints about th

Re: Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-29 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 01:30:58PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > > I've also seen very very few complaints about the fact that the BTS shows > > email addresses if submitters and contributors. And I'm definitly not aware > > that we identified this as a problem! > It definitely attracts huge amoun

Re: patches-applied and patches-unapplied, dgit and source packages (was: Re: My personal recommendation on how to create Debian packages from upstream Git)

2025-05-29 Thread Joost van Baal-Ilić
On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 09:54:37AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 09:52:38AM +0200, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote: > > A, indeed. Otoh the dgit-people feel a source package should be treated as > > an > > intermediate build artifact; not something to be consumed by humans. > > Bu

Re: Questions about hard freeze and autopkgtests

2025-05-29 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi, Simon is completely right. On 29-05-2025 01:34, Simon McVittie wrote: in your position I'd want to add this test coverage in experimental first, and delay adding it in unstable until the forky cycle opens unless there's a reason why it's particularly important. As a related remark, uplo

patches-applied and patches-unapplied, dgit and source packages (was: Re: My personal recommendation on how to create Debian packages from upstream Git)

2025-05-29 Thread Joost van Baal-Ilić
Hi, On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 09:39:01AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 05:26:31AM +0200, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote: > > On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 10:04:01PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > > > > > My personal pet peeve is the difference between the source package and the > > > packagi

Re: My personal recommendation on how to create Debian packages from upstream Git

2025-05-29 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Marc Haber (2025-05-29 09:57:07) > On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 09:21:13AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >Perhaps, to ease the burden of those of us maintaining many packages, > >we could instead have this more complex rule: > > > >> The default debian branch is the first available of these,

Re: My personal recommendation on how to create Debian packages from upstream Git

2025-05-29 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 09:21:13AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Perhaps, to ease the burden of those of us maintaining many packages, we could instead have this more complex rule: The default debian branch is the first available of these, in order: 1. debian/latest 2. debian/unstable 3. debia

Re: Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-29 Thread Pirate Praveen
On 28/05/2025 7:52 pm, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi Julien, thanks and applause for this initiative of yours! I agree the bts could see several improvements..! On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 06:46:29PM +0200, Julien Plissonneau Duquène wrote: We would like debbugs to: 0. keep all the e-mail features it c

Re: patches-applied and patches-unapplied, dgit and source packages (was: Re: My personal recommendation on how to create Debian packages from upstream Git)

2025-05-29 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 09:52:38AM +0200, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote: A, indeed. Otoh the dgit-people feel a source package should be treated as an intermediate build artifact; not something to be consumed by humans. But if you decide not to use dgit you're back to source packages. It might be

Re: My personal recommendation on how to create Debian packages from upstream Git

2025-05-29 Thread Pirate Praveen
On 29/05/2025 12:51 pm, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Quoting Xiyue Deng (2025-05-29 06:15:30) Hi Holger, Holger Levsen writes: On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 12:21:16AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: If you suggest that using "debian/latest" should *not* be done by default, then it seems that requires

Re: My personal recommendation on how to create Debian packages from upstream Git

2025-05-29 Thread Marc Haber
Hi, On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 05:26:31AM +0200, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 10:04:01PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: My personal pet peeve is the difference between the source package and the packaging git repository contents. Those two especially differ in the state of patches

Re: My personal recommendation on how to create Debian packages from upstream Git

2025-05-29 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Xiyue Deng (2025-05-29 06:15:30) > Hi Holger, > > Holger Levsen writes: > > > On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 12:21:16AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >> If you suggest that using "debian/latest" should *not* be done by > >> default, then it seems that requires reverting changes to DEP-14. >

Re: My personal recommendation on how to create Debian packages from upstream Git

2025-05-29 Thread Marc Haber
Hi, On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 11:11:47PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: my biggest problem with dep14 is that it doesnt recommend *one* layout. my biggest problem with how I see that interpreted is that I think debian/unstable is much better than debian/latest *as a default recommendation*. because