Re: Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-27 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 10:37:22AM -0700, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: I would assume Debbugs might evolve without you having to personally do all the improvements, if you allow improvements done by others flow in. As an example, I have had https://salsa.debian.org/debbugs-team/debbugs/-/merge_requests

Re: new contributor annoyances (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-27 Thread thomas
On May 27, 2025 20:57, Julien Plissonneau Duquène wrote: > > Le 2025-05-27 20:08, tho...@goirand.fr a écrit : > > THANKS. Indeed, it is annoying us a lot, Salsa users too, but anyone > > sending us a quick email always receives a reply in due time. This > > indeed is better than having b

Re: Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 27/05/25 at 18:46 +0200, Julien Plissonneau Duquène wrote: > 6. track merge requests. Maybe something similar to bts-link[0]? - add a new field that allows pointing to a merge request (similar to the 'forwarded' field) - have a bot that processes bugs with merge requests and adjust BTS tags

Re: Bug#1106648: ITP: bitcoin-knots -- Bitcoin Knots enhanced Bitcoin node/wallet software

2025-05-27 Thread Soren Stoutner
On Tuesday, May 27, 2025 4:07:11 AM Mountain Standard Time Léo Haf wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Léo Haf > X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org > > * Package name: bitcoin-knots > Version : 28.1.knots20250305 > Upstream Contact: Luke Dashjr > * URL

Re: Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-27 Thread Pirate Praveen
On 5/27/25 10:16 PM, Julien Plissonneau Duquène wrote: I took note of some existing previous work for 3. (MUMI, DebGTD) that is worth looking at though I could not find anything about "the return of the Amancay". Please consider https://fabre.debian.net/ as well. OpenPGP_0x8F53E0193B294B75.

Re: new contributor annoyances (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-27 Thread Otto Kekäläinen
> > Debian has certainly done many things right in the past 30 years, but > > treatment of new contributors is currently pretty harsh, considering > > how many cracks and false turns they need to overcome on to become > > regular contributors. > > The impact successive roadblocks can have on new co

Re: new contributor annoyances (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-27 Thread Julien Plissonneau Duquène
Le 2025-05-27 20:08, tho...@goirand.fr a écrit : THANKS. Indeed, it is annoying us a lot, Salsa users too, but anyone sending us a quick email always receives a reply in due time. This indeed is better than having bots spamming all of Salsa. The delay is only a part of the issue, the other part

Re: Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-27 Thread Ahmad Khalifa
On 27/05/2025 17:46, Julien Plissonneau Duquène wrote: I'm considering getting my hands into that thing later this year, so let me try to summarize the relevant parts of the previous threads (with the intent of documenting this in a wiki page). We would like debbugs to: 0. keep all the e-mail

Re: new contributor annoyances (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Julien Plissonneau Duquène writes: > I'm not suggesting that we simply drop manual approval, as I don't know > of any automated and accurate method that could be used to prevent such > abuse. > I'm rather proposing giving all DDs the power to approve pending > requests, and giving all registered

Re: new contributor annoyances (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-27 Thread thomas
On May 27, 2025 19:17, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Julien Plissonneau Duquène writes: > I would be worried about dropping the manual approval due to the sheer > volume of sophisticated automated spam account creation attacks on any > sort of authentication process with automatic sign-up.

Re: new contributor annoyances (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-27 Thread Julien Plissonneau Duquène
Le 2025-05-27 19:16, Russ Allbery a écrit : I would be worried about dropping the manual approval due to the sheer volume of sophisticated automated spam account creation attacks on any sort of authentication process with automatic sign-up. I'm not suggesting that we simply drop manual approval

Re: Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-27 Thread Otto Kekäläinen
> I endorse basically all of this. (I had really hoped to be able to put > significant effort into modernizing debbugs over the past year or so, I understand time is always a limitation, but if/when you have time for debbugs, could you please prioritize reviewing/merging the open MRs? I would as

Re: new contributor annoyances (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-27 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 10:16:25AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: I would be worried about dropping the manual approval due to the sheer volume of sophisticated automated spam account creation attacks on any sort of authentication process with automatic sign-up. Right now, we are in the enviable pos

Re: Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-27 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 06:46:29PM +0200, Julien Plissonneau Duquène wrote: Unlike some people I believe that debbugs can be improved and modernized in a satisfying way while retaining most if not all of its current interfaces. This would minimize breakage and inconvenience for developers that

Re: new contributor annoyances (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Julien Plissonneau Duquène writes: > I would first try to improve the Salsa registration process. I > understand the need to prevent recurrent abuse, but the current manual > approval process with its delay and lack of feedback when things go > wrong is likely to discourage casual contributors, a

Re: Should uncoordinated NMUs unilaterally choose Salsa as the VCS for a package?

2025-05-27 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 09:33:00AM -0700, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > Hi, > > > > > Question: Should uncoordinated NMUs unilaterally choose Salsa as the VCS > > > > for a package? > > > > > > Why are you opposed to using Salsa as the VCS for cpuset? You use > > > Salsa for many other packages and Git

new contributor annoyances (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-27 Thread Julien Plissonneau Duquène
Hi, On 21/05/2025 17:48, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: Debian has certainly done many things right in the past 30 years, but treatment of new contributors is currently pretty harsh, considering how many cracks and false turns they need to overcome on to become regular contributors. The impact success

Renovating debbugs (was Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?)

2025-05-27 Thread Julien Plissonneau Duquène
Hi, Unlike some people I believe that debbugs can be improved and modernized in a satisfying way while retaining most if not all of its current interfaces. This would minimize breakage and inconvenience for developers that are mostly fine with the way it currently works. I'm considering gett

Re: The Debian Mono "Team" needs help

2025-05-27 Thread Aaron Rainbolt
On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 10:08 AM Ahmad Khalifa wrote: > > On 20/05/2025 15:06, Antoine Le Gonidec wrote: > > If no one manifests any interest in helping with Mono maintenance, I plan to > > start removing packages after the release of Trixie. Whatever happens, > > *nothing* > > is going to be rem

Re: The Debian Mono "Team" needs help

2025-05-27 Thread Antoine Le Gonidec
Le Tue, May 27, 2025 at 04:08:13PM +0100, Ahmad Khalifa a écrit : > As upstream has moved around a bit, wouldn't it make more sense for mono to > package the dotnet repository for Forky instead? Since dotnet would not fit my needs (running non-free video games relying on Mono), I plan on keeping M

Re: The Debian Mono "Team" needs help

2025-05-27 Thread Ahmad Khalifa
On 20/05/2025 15:06, Antoine Le Gonidec wrote: If no one manifests any interest in helping with Mono maintenance, I plan to start removing packages after the release of Trixie. Whatever happens, *nothing* is going to be removed from Trixie, but please don’t wait until Forky is almost there before

Re: Bug#1106648: ITP: bitcoin-knots -- Bitcoin Knots enhanced Bitcoin node/wallet software

2025-05-27 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 27, Léo Haf wrote: Bitcoin Knots is a Bitcoin node that lets users be fully sovereign with their money. Can you avoid the propaganda in the description please? -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Bug#1106648: ITP: bitcoin-knots -- Bitcoin Knots enhanced Bitcoin node/wallet software

2025-05-27 Thread Léo Haf
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Léo Haf X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: bitcoin-knots Version : 28.1.knots20250305 Upstream Contact: Luke Dashjr * URL : https://bitcoinknots.org * License : MIT Programming Lang: C, C++ De

Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?

2025-05-27 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Sun 25 May 2025 at 06:25pm +02, Marc Haber wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 2025 17:34:58 +0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin > wrote: >>(note that it requires /usr/sbin/sendmail by default, though there seem to >>be options to use SMTP) > > The /usr/lib/sendmail interface is dying anyway, it doesn't pl

Re: wiki.d.o on a git-backed engine

2025-05-27 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun May 25, 2025 at 5:37 AM BST, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: Hi Steve and others with interest in wiki.debian.org! Thanks for the ping. I was aware there's going to be a BoF, and (schedule permitting) I hope to attend (virtually). I've added some of the people who participated in https://sals

Re: Interesting learnings about Guix contributor dynamics that apply to Debian?

2025-05-27 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun May 25, 2025 at 4:41 PM BST, Richard Lewis wrote: someone could, for example, make the bts support \ to continue a line, that would benefit everyone without breaking anything? This is a reasonable suggestion. I advise filing a wishlist bug to request it (that is, if your mailer lets yo

Bug#1106615: ITP: rpp -- ROCm library for image processing

2025-05-27 Thread Utkarsh Raj
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Utkarsh Raj X-Debbugs-Cc: debian...@lists.debian.org, debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: rpp Version : 2.0.0 Upstream Author : Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. * URL : https://github.com/ROCm/rpp * License : Expat