On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 12:19:25AM -0500, Steven Robbins wrote:
On Sunday, April 20, 2025 7:50:07 p.m. Central Daylight Saving Time Steven
Robbins wrote:
I am able to reproduce it thanks to NoisyCoil's hint about
--aspcud-criteria. I'm working on a fix now.
Okay, I don't know how to solve thi
On Sunday, April 20, 2025 7:50:07 p.m. Central Daylight Saving Time Steven
Robbins wrote:
> I am able to reproduce it thanks to NoisyCoil's hint about
> --aspcud-criteria. I'm working on a fix now.
Okay, I don't know how to solve this. The package is uploaded now for
unstable so the --aspcud t
On 2025-04-20 Josh Triplett wrote:
> Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
> > Should we start declaring deps on all essential packages explicitly?
> I personally think that would be a good idea, though I'm not currently
> trying to make the case for that across the board here. Right now, I'm
[...]
> From w
On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 06:58:36PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> Hi Adrian,
Hi Branden,
> At 2025-04-21T01:34:56+0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>...
> My impression from watching countless upgrades over the years is that,
> when any Essential package is available for upgrade, upgrades performed
>
On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 10:56:49PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 06:25:53PM +0100, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 02:56:58PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 01:38:18PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > > > Simon Josefsson wrote:
> > > >
Hi Josh (it's been a long time since XFree86 packaging days!),
At 2025-04-21T01:42:52+0100, Josh Triplett wrote:
> G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> > "You must not tag any packages essential before this has been
> > discussed on the debian-devel mailing list and a consensus about
> > doing that has be
On Sunday, April 20, 2025 12:18:28 p.m. Central Daylight Saving Time Otto
Kekäläinen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am not able to reproduce the test failure visible at
> https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=insighttoolkit5&arch=amd64&ve
> r=5.4.3-2&stamp=1745014062&raw=0 in a local build myself, s
G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> At 2025-04-20T23:22:04+0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 06:25:53PM +0100, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > > What I'm suggesting here is that if every individual package that
> > > needs awk has a Depends on it (via a package that allows switching
>
Michael Lazin wrote:
> I think removing awk is a bad idea. It will break legacy scripts as
> has already been suggested. I am mostly an observer on this list and
> say very little but I think that awk is used by a lot of people. I
> used it in a script that analyzed mail logs for example. It wa
Hi Adrian,
At 2025-04-21T01:34:56+0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 04:46:52PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> > Factual statements about one's run-time dependencies should be as
> > decoupled from the details of the set of "Essential" packages as
> > possible. One reason is
On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 04:46:52PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> At 2025-04-20T23:22:04+0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 06:25:53PM +0100, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > > What I'm suggesting here is that if every individual package that
> > > needs awk has a Depends on
I think removing awk is a bad idea. It will break legacy scripts as has
already been suggested. I am mostly an observer on this list and say very
little but I think that awk is used by a lot of people. I used it in a
script that analyzed mail logs for example. It was previously written in
perl
At 2025-04-20T23:22:04+0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 06:25:53PM +0100, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > What I'm suggesting here is that if every individual package that
> > needs awk has a Depends on it (via a package that allows switching
> > implementations), rather than rel
On Apr 20, Adrian Bunk wrote:
With embedded distributions a whole system of bootloader, kernel and
userspace easily fits on 16 MB flash, even when including bloated stuff
like glibc and systemd, with plenty of space left for the application
that should run on the device.
You can't do that with
On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 06:25:53PM +0100, Josh Triplett wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 02:56:58PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 01:38:18PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > > Simon Josefsson wrote:
> > > > Debian trixie images ship with 'mawk' pre-installed right now. While
On Apr 20, Josh Triplett wrote:
On a slightly related note, one of these days I'd love to figure out how
we could stop systematically installing /usr/share/lintian/overrides *in
binary packages*, and move them to some form of metadata that doesn't
get installed.
Yes please! This is why I almos
On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 10:12:24PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> Container size is obviously not a priority for such users.
That is incorrect. Many, many users use Debian as the basis for
containers, and many such users care about container size, sufficiently
so to work on reducing it. You are sugge
On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 07:44:34PM +0100, Josh Triplett wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 08:58:29PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 06:05:13PM +0100, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > > On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 12:48:08PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> > > > Josh Triplett writes:
> >
Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
> Should we start declaring deps on all essential packages explicitly?
I personally think that would be a good idea, though I'm not currently
trying to make the case for that across the board here. Right now, I'm
trying to make the case that that's a good first step for
On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 08:58:29PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 06:05:13PM +0100, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 12:48:08PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> > > Josh Triplett writes:
> > >
> > > > And the extra symlinks in `/etc/alternatives` don't take muc
On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 06:25:53PM +0100, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > Debian trixie images ship with 'mawk' pre-installed right now. While
> > I'm not convinced the removal game is necessarily a good one, I can
> > see that it does have some advantages. Is it possible to drop 'mawk'
> > from the s
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On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 06:05:13PM +0100, Josh Triplett wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 12:48:08PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> > Josh Triplett writes:
> >
> > > And the extra symlinks in `/etc/alternatives` don't take much size; I
> > > agree you don't need update-alternatives, but then, you
On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 02:56:58PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 01:38:18PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > Simon Josefsson wrote:
> > > Debian trixie images ship with 'mawk' pre-installed right now. While
> > > I'm not convinced the removal game is necessarily a good one, I
Hi,
I am not able to reproduce the test failure visible at
https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=insighttoolkit5&arch=amd64&ver=5.4.3-2&stamp=1745014062&raw=0
in a local build myself, so I can't help with that. I did however
notice that the size of the resulting packages were quite small
On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 12:48:08PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> Josh Triplett writes:
>
> > And the extra symlinks in `/etc/alternatives` don't take much size; I
> > agree you don't need update-alternatives, but then, you also don't
> > strictly need the entire dpkg and apt packages, if you're
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El 20/4/25 a las 13:56, Adrian Bunk escribió:
The former without the latter is just a lot of wasted work without any
benefits.
I also agree that removing awk in the normal Debian distribution is a waste
of time.
If somebody wants to create a minimal container based on Debian, static
in nature,
On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 08:09:38AM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote:
>...
> It leads us to analyzing the effort and impact. Being in the essential
> set means that dependencies are not spelled out. So the first step is
> locating those dependencies. As we will likely not be able to audit
> Debian's so
On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 01:38:18PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
> Simon Josefsson wrote:
> > Debian trixie images ship with 'mawk' pre-installed right now. While
> > I'm not convinced the removal game is necessarily a good one, I can
> > see that it does have some advantages. Is it possible to dro
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 at 12:48:08 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
has anyone considered if Debian should have official containers
without apt and dpkg?
What would those containers be useful for? I would have expected that in
any use-case for a container without apt and dpkg, what you would really
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Josh Triplett writes:
> And the extra symlinks in `/etc/alternatives` don't take much size; I
> agree you don't need update-alternatives, but then, you also don't
> strictly need the entire dpkg and apt packages, if you're already
> omitting their files under /var/lib.
Right -- has anyone consid
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