Re: Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 07:12:44 +0900, Mike Hommey wrote: >On Thu, Dec 05, 2024 at 01:02:29PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: >> In the future, if users can easily filter out locale data, we could >> decide that that's the easier path to support such users, and that fewer >> package maintainers need to ma

Re: Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread Josh Triplett
Mike Hommey wrote: > On Thu, Dec 05, 2024 at 01:02:29PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > > In the future, if users can easily filter out locale data, we could > > decide that that's the easier path to support such users, and that fewer > > package maintainers need to maintain separate -l10n packages.

Re: Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thu, Dec 05, 2024 at 01:02:29PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > In the future, if users can easily filter out locale data, we could > decide that that's the easier path to support such users, and that fewer > package maintainers need to maintain separate -l10n packages. The future is 14 years old

Re: Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread Philipp Kern
On 12/5/24 6:28 PM, Josh Triplett wrote: > We could also consider adding explicit documentation in Policy that > "Packages must not require the existence of any files in > /usr/share/locale/ in order to function in a C or C.UTF-8 locale.", > which would make it explicit that sysadmins can use thing

Re: Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread Josh Triplett
Theodore Ts'o wrote: > I'd like to hear from people who manage container > images. They were the ones whose complaints led to the separation of > how e2fsprogs-l10n from e2fsprogs in the first place How many containers need to have e2fsprogs installed at all? My container images just don't inc

Re: Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread Josh Triplett
Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Thu, Dec 05, 2024 at 01:02:29PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: >> https://bugs.debian.org/1089110 > > I've looked at this bug, but unlessed I missed something, this seems > to be "rm -rf /usr/share/locale" shouldn't cause binaries to core > dump. I'm guessing this is the rea

Re: Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Dec 05, 2024 at 01:02:29PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > Personally, I am quite sympathetic to the argument about wasting disk > space, and I care about the size of the base system myself. But I think > the primary affordance we make for such use cases is for core system > packages to have

Re: Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread Josh Triplett
On Thu, Dec 05, 2024 at 01:28:11PM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Thu, Dec 05, 2024 at 09:28:34AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > > There are a variety of reasons people don't want a package installed. > > For packages that run a service or affects how the system behaves or > > similar, it's much m

Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers

2024-12-05 Thread Soren Stoutner
On Thursday, December 5, 2024 1:30:15 AM MST Pirate Praveen wrote: > 2024, ഡിസം 4 9:33:25 PM Robert Chéramy : > > 2) What should I read first if I want to make a new package? > > I usually suggest a step by step guide to people who are new, in this I > suggest building existing packages from sourc

Re: Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Dec 05, 2024 at 08:55:35PM +0100, Roland Clobus wrote: > > How about adding the translations to the main package e2fsprogs, and let the > package 'localepurge' remove them? For people who care about installed size, > that package helps to remove undesired translation files. (Although all >

Re: Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread Roland Clobus
On 05/12/2024 16:43, Theodore Ts'o wrote: Currently e2fsprogs recommends e2fsprogs-l10n. In Debian Policy, it states: This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual insta

Re: The advantages of splitting /bin and /usr/bin, and /sbin and /usr/sbin outweigh the disadvantages

2024-12-05 Thread Bill Allombert
Le Sun, Dec 01, 2024 at 08:40:15PM -0600, G. Branden Robinson a écrit : > https://css.csail.mit.edu/6.824/2014/papers/plan9.pdf > > > Of course, these advantages have become impossible now with the > > merging of directories > > No. Not impossible. One simply has to overcome inertia and the > n

Re: Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Dec 05, 2024 at 09:28:34AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > There are a variety of reasons people don't want a package installed. > For packages that run a service or affects how the system behaves or > similar, it's much more debatable whether to install them by default, > even if doing so ma

Bug#1089109: ITP: pygments-ansi-color -- ANSI color-code highlighting lexer for Pygments

2024-12-05 Thread Carsten Schoenert
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Carsten Schoenert X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: pygments-ansi-color Version : 0.3.0 Upstream Contact: Chris Kuehl * URL : https://github.com/chriskuehl/pygments-ansi-color * License : Apache

Re: Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread Josh Triplett
Theodore Ts'o wrote: > Currently e2fsprogs recommends e2fsprogs-l10n. In Debian Policy, it states: > >This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. > >The Recommends field should list packages that would be found >together with this one in all but unusual installations. > > It

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 02:48:10AM -0500, nick black wrote: > I recommend Chapter 7 of my free book, "Hacking the Planet with > Notcurses: A Guide to TUIs and Character Semigraphics" for the > full story (as I understand it) regarding Unicode presentation: > https://nick-black.com/htp-notcurses.pdf

Re: Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread sre4ever
Hi, Le 2024-12-05 16:43, Theodore Ts'o a écrit : Given recent discussions about depends vs recommends vs suggests inflation, I'm thinking about down-prioritizing e2fsprogs-l10n from recommends to suggests. Thoughts, comments? There are existing task- and task--desktop metapackages, but curr

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-05 Thread Stephan Seitz
Am Do, Dez 05, 2024 at 17:05:29 +0100 schrieb Marc Haber: Neither adduser nor useradd are setuid. To be fair, passwd is setuid. And I’m sure you are using it to set the password. So it has to survive an unicode user name. Stephan -- |If your life was a horse, you'd have to shoot

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 14:34:21 +0100, Alejandro Colomar wrote: >The best mitigation for those attacks is to ban the names altogether. >IMO, setuid programs should not accept Unicode. Oh, Bugs by Code. Dangerous. We should stop producing code completely. No code, no bugs. Neither adduser nor useradd

Bug#1089103: ITP: sicilianu -- Sicilian wordlist for spellchecking and other uses

2024-12-05 Thread Salvo "LtWorf" Tomaselli
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Salvo \"LtWorf\" Tomaselli" X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, ltw...@debian.org * Package name: sicilianu Version : 20220318 Upstream Contact: Salvo 'LtWorf' Tomaselli * URL : https://codeberg.org/parolottero/sicili

Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread Theodore Ts'o
Currently e2fsprogs recommends e2fsprogs-l10n. In Debian Policy, it states: This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. It seems to me that po translation f

Re: Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-05 Thread Stephan Seitz
Am Do, Dez 05, 2024 at 14:34:21 +0100 schrieb Alejandro Colomar: The best mitigation for those attacks is to ban the names altogether. IMO, setuid programs should not accept Unicode. Today, not many people want to live in the past and accept simply ASCII if there name needs a bigger character

Re: Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-05 Thread Alejandro Colomar
Marc wrote: > On Tue, Dec 03, 2024 at 08:41:06PM +0100, Étienne Mollier wrote: > > Marc Haber, on 2024-12-03: > > > I'll probably deprecate --allow-bad-names in favor of something that > > > doesn't use the word "bad" (suggestions appreciated). Otoh, adduser in > > > the Red Hat World uses --badnam

Re: Problems to find sponsors

2024-12-05 Thread rhys
>>> >>> When I was regularly monitoring ITPs, I noticed that newcomers often >>> struggle to "find friends" (i.e., sponsors). In my opinion, what we need >>> is someone to guide sponsees to the appropriate team, Salsa group, or >>> similar space. This role doesn't require a delegation since it

Re: Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-05 Thread Alejandro Colomar
Hi Marc, > Homograph attacks would be best mitigated in software reading > /etc/passwd, alerting in their output or logs that the user name they > just printed was composed of strange alphabets. Software that reads /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow is quite sensitive, and should therefore be as simple a

Re: Building with many cores without OOM

2024-12-05 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hi Guillem and others, Thanks for your extensive reply and the followup clarifying the inside-out and outside-in distinction. On Wed, Dec 04, 2024 at 02:03:29PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Thu, 2024-11-28 at 10:54:37 +0100, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > I think this demonstrates that we probably

Re: help with build failing on powerpc?

2024-12-05 Thread Aurélien COUDERC
Le jeudi 5 décembre 2024, 00:12:00 UTC+1 Salvo Tomaselli a écrit : > Hello, > > for weborf the build fails on powerpc. > > It seems that 1 test is failing and the others are passing, so I presume it > is > not something very foundamental that is not working. > > How can I access or reproduce w

Re: help with build failing on powerpc?

2024-12-05 Thread Hector Oron
Hello Salvo, El jue, 5 dic 2024 a las 0:12, Salvo Tomaselli () escribió: > for weborf the build fails on powerpc. > > It seems that 1 test is failing and the others are passing, so I presume it is > not something very foundamental that is not working. > > How can I access or reproduce what a powe

Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers

2024-12-05 Thread Pirate Praveen
2024, ഡിസം 4 9:33:25 PM Robert Chéramy : > 2) What should I read first if I want to make a new package? > I usually suggest a step by step guide to people who are new, in this I suggest building existing packages from source and updating existing packages before creating a new package from scratc

Potential MBF: packages which break with new Make 4.4.1

2024-12-05 Thread Stephen Kitt
Greetings, I recently adopted the make packages from Manoj. Make 4.4.1 is available in experimental, and I’m hoping to upload it to unstable in time for trixie, but some packages break because of small changes in make behaviour. Santiago Vila recently built all packages in trixie/sid using Make 4