On 4/22/22 08:18, Andreas Tille wrote:
Am Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:12:19AM -0700 schrieb Russ Allbery:
I've been a Debian Developer for quite some time and can usually manage to
figure out most tasks like this, and providing separate firmware to the
installer has completely defeated me every
Am Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:12:19AM -0700 schrieb Russ Allbery:
>
> I've been a Debian Developer for quite some time and can usually manage to
> figure out most tasks like this, and providing separate firmware to the
> installer has completely defeated me every time I've tried it. I've spent
> fru
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested
through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the
last week.
Total number of orphaned packages: 1251 (new: 8)
Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 179 (new: 0)
Total number of packages reques
Hi,
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 9:28 PM Steve McIntyre wrote:
>
> TL;DR: firmware support in Debian sucks, and we need to change this. See the
> "My preference, and rationale" Section below.
>
> In my opinion, the way we deal with (non-free) firmware in Debian is a mess,
> and this is hurting many of
Hi Everyone,
On Thu, 2022-04-21 at 13:52 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
>After some discussion on #debian-www with sney (author of the current
>auto-download page)
I'm not a voting member of this organization, but since I'm mentioned by name, I
thought I would share my 0.02, if you'll have them. My bac
Hi,
On 4/20/22 12:14 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
However I think we should continue to produce install media without
non-free components, at least for a period of time after making the
switch (as another reply said, perhaps 1-2 releases and review). It
feels like me too big a step to take to st
Hakan Bayındır dijo [Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 09:21:07PM +0300]:
> A further evolution of this idea might be adding another question to
> Debian Installer regarding to non-free software.
>
> If the users choose “No” for enabling non-free repositories, another
> question might ask “Your system seems to
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> On 21 Apr 2022, at 21:14, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
>
> Marc Haber dijo [Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 06:56:54PM +0200]:
>> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 08:21:10 -0600, Sam Hartman
>> wrote:
>>> One valuable suggestion was to make sure users could easily select
>>> freedom if that's what they wanted.
>>> So I think
Marc Haber dijo [Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 06:56:54PM +0200]:
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 08:21:10 -0600, Sam Hartman
> wrote:
> >One valuable suggestion was to make sure users could easily select
> >freedom if that's what they wanted.
> >So I think a free installation image is important.
>
> Would that not
Steve McIntyre wrote:
> What would I choose to do? My personal preference would be to go with optiob
> 5:
> split the non-free firmware into a special new component and include that on
> official media.
I fully agree with that (as mentioned before when the discussion came up).
I also believe we c
Hakan Bayındır writes:
> As everybody knows, Debian is also releasing the said firmware as
> compressed archives and these are visible in the download page [0],
> however usage and documentation is neither clearly documented, nor easy
> for the beginners or casual users.
> Considering most users
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 01:39:39PM +0300, Hakan Bayındır wrote:
> > > > > As everybody knows, Debian is also releasing the said firmware as
> > > > > compressed
> > > > > archives and these are visible in the download page [0], however
> > > > > usage and
> > > > > documentation is neither clearl
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 03:30:55PM +0300, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
> > > Before any discussion takes place, I would like to point out a previous
> > > attempt of Fedora trying to get rid of NIS/NIS+ back in 2021. Please
> > > check out
> > > the LWN article at https://lwn.net/Articles/874174/ , whi
On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 10:23:06PM +0200, Gabor Gombas wrote:
> Doing a quick check, PAM only seems to rely on the RPC libraries for
> changing NIS passwords. Personally, I think losing that would not be a
> big deal. While I can still see NIS being useful in some corners of the
> world, I cannot i
Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
>
>On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 12:53:46PM -0500, Devin Prater wrote:
>> But back on topic, would the nonfree DVD ISO's have more firmware on them
>> than the CD version? Or is that just for offline installs?
>As far as I understand it there is just one set of non-free firmware
Russ Allbery wrote:
>Steve McIntyre writes:
>
>> Thanks! That's a really good question, and one that we should also
>> include on the GR. I'd split my option 5 into two:
>
>> 5. Include non-free firmware but do not enable it by default
>> 6. Include non-free firmware and enable it by default
>
>>
чт, 21 апр. 2022 г. в 11:04, Gabor Gombas :
>
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 04:26:02PM -0400, Boyuan Yang wrote:
>
> > Before any discussion takes place, I would like to point out a previous
> > attempt of Fedora trying to get rid of NIS/NIS+ back in 2021. Please check
> > out
> > the LWN arti
On 4/21/22 11:09, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:57:47AM +0300, Hakan Bayındır wrote:
As everybody knows, Debian is also releasing the said firmware as compressed
archives and these are visible in the download page [0], however usage and
documentation is neither clearly doc
On Thu, 2022-04-21 at 11:12 +0200, Mattias Wadenstein wrote:
> For free software reasons, I believe that Debian should encourage this
> method of distribution too, because it opens up the option for free
> firmware to be developed as replacement for the non-free ones (or
> encouraging vendors t
Sorry for duplicate - It was from a wrong account. Re sending just to
ensure delivery.
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Dear All and Steve,
I'm kinda late to the discussion, but upon reading the message, a
possible solution has been popped into my mind.
As everybody knows, Debian is also releasing the said firmware as
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022, Steve McIntyre wrote:
TL;DR: firmware support in Debian sucks, and we need to change this. See the
"My preference, and rationale" Section below.
Agree.
In times past, all necessary firmware would normally be included directly in
devices / expansion cards by their vendors
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:57:47AM +0300, Hakan Bayındır wrote:
> > > As everybody knows, Debian is also releasing the said firmware as
> > > compressed
> > > archives and these are visible in the download page [0], however usage and
> > > documentation is neither clearly documented, nor easy for
Hi,
On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 04:26:02PM -0400, Boyuan Yang wrote:
> Before any discussion takes place, I would like to point out a previous
> attempt of Fedora trying to get rid of NIS/NIS+ back in 2021. Please check out
> the LWN article at https://lwn.net/Articles/874174/ , which would definite
Hi Andrey,
On 4/21/22 10:50, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 09:57:36AM +0300, Hakan Bayındır wrote:
As everybody knows, Debian is also releasing the said firmware as compressed
archives and these are visible in the download page [0], however usage and
documentation is neither
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 09:57:36AM +0300, Hakan Bayındır wrote:
> As everybody knows, Debian is also releasing the said firmware as compressed
> archives and these are visible in the download page [0], however usage and
> documentation is neither clearly documented, nor easy for the beginners or
>
On 4/19/22 02:27, Steve McIntyre wrote:
TL;DR: firmware support in Debian sucks, and we need to change this. See the
"My preference, and rationale" Section below.
Hi Steve,
Thanks a lot for this proposal.
Like many, I agree with your option 5. In many installation (especially
the so-many ser
Dear All and Steve,
I'm kinda late to the discussion, but upon reading the message, a
possible solution has been popped into my mind.
As everybody knows, Debian is also releasing the said firmware as
compressed archives and these are visible in the download page [0],
however usage and docume
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