Bug#934202: ITP: classmate -- Library for introspecting generic type information of types, methods and fields

2019-08-07 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Emmanuel Bourg * Package name: classmate Version : 1.3.4 Upstream Author : Tatu Saloranta * URL : http://github.com/FasterXML/java-classmate * License : Apache-2.0 Programming Lang: Java Description : Library for

Re: Generating new IDs for cloning (was Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID)

2019-08-07 Thread The Wanderer
On 2019-08-07 at 16:59, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 07 aug 19, 09:28:12, The Wanderer wrote: > >> I've begun to wonder whether it might be worth the overhead to set up >> some type of mechanism to let packages which define such >> machine-specific IDs A: declare the fact, in a central location

Re: Generating new IDs for cloning (was Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID)

2019-08-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 4:59 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote: > 1. Delete the contents of /etc (all of it) > 2. If a package doesn't find its "stuff" in /etc it regenerates it from > defaults. There is still way too much stuff that defaults to installing important files in /etc (default config settings, i

Re: Generating new IDs for cloning (was Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID)

2019-08-07 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 07 aug 19, 09:28:12, The Wanderer wrote: > > I've begun to wonder whether it might be worth the overhead to set up > some type of mechanism to let packages which define such > machine-specific IDs A: declare the fact, in a central location which Do you mean /etc? :) > the sysadmin of a ma

Re: Bug#934184: ITP: nghttp3 -- C library for HTTP/3 functions

2019-08-07 Thread andreimpopescu
Control: reassign -1 wnpp On Mi, 07 aug 19, 22:11:42, Sakirnth Nagarasa wrote: > Package: nghttp3 > Owner: sakir...@gmail.com > > * Package name: nghttp3 > Upstream Author : nghttp3 contributors > * License : MIT License > Description : Implementation of HTTP/3 mapping over QU

Re: Please stop hating on sysvinit (was Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?)

2019-08-07 Thread Alf Gaida
On 07.08.19 19:00, Marc Haber wrote: > Marc, who is trying to have neutral view on systemd and has managed to > be seen as a fanboi by systemd haters and as a hater by the systemd > community, and now fully expects the CoC to be used to be silenced Marc, i don't hope so - you are not alone. Fo

Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?

2019-08-07 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2019-08-07 18:51, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2019-08-07 10:19:00 +0200 (+0200), Marc Haber wrote: On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 22:29:41 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: [...] > I'd still expect a Cloud/Compute provider to offer default > images in any case that could be preconfigured appropriately. I am on

Re: Please stop hating on sysvinit (was Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?)

2019-08-07 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 07:00:36PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 14:44:01 +0100, Ian Jackson > wrote: > >Marc Haber writes ("Re: do packages depend on lexical order or > >{daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?"): > >> We have already thrown sysvinit away. > > > >No, we have not. > > W

Re: Please stop hating on sysvinit (was Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?)

2019-08-07 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 14:44:01 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: >Marc Haber writes ("Re: do packages depend on lexical order or >{daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?"): >> We have already thrown sysvinit away. > >No, we have not. We have given up on so many ideas that sysvinit has come with that it doesn't m

Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?

2019-08-07 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2019-08-07 10:19:00 +0200 (+0200), Marc Haber wrote: > On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 22:29:41 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: [...] > > I'd still expect a Cloud/Compute provider to offer default > > images in any case that could be preconfigured appropriately. > > I am one of those customers who almost never

Re: Generating new IDs for cloning (was Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID)

2019-08-07 Thread Russ Allbery
The Wanderer writes: > This isn't the first time I've discovered that some aspect of a Debian > system would actually need to be cleared and re-generated when that > system is cloned, well after the point where it would have been easy for > me to address that need. (Fortunately, although I've mov

Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID

2019-08-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Michael Stone writes: > I don't think popcon is a good reason to pause if there are valid > concerns suggesting removal is a good thing, for the exact reason that > it's skewed to propagating existing practice. I'm not sure there's any > really good use for popcon, but I'll continue to believe th

Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID

2019-08-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 04:02:14PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: Michael Stone writes ("Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID"): I guess the question is what is the point of the popcon statistics. Insofar as they're used to determine defaults, skewing them toward custom images (which likely do not car

Re: Generating new IDs for cloning (was Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID)

2019-08-07 Thread Marvin Renich
* The Wanderer [190807 09:28]: > Cloning isn't the only example of a case where some machine-specific > configuration detail may need to be updated, without that being obvious > in advance. > > I've begun to wonder whether it might be worth the overhead to set up > some type of mechanism to let p

Bug#934154: ITP: ocaml-integers -- Various signed and unsigned integer types for OCaml

2019-08-07 Thread Stéphane Glondu
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Stéphane Glondu * Package name: ocaml-integers Version : 0.3.0 Upstream Author : Jeremy Yallop and others * URL : https://github.com/ocamllabs/ocaml-integers * License : MIT Programming Lang: OCaml Description : V

Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID

2019-08-07 Thread Ian Jackson
Michael Stone writes ("Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID"): > I guess the question is what is the point of the popcon statistics. > Insofar as they're used to determine defaults, skewing them toward > custom images (which likely do not care about defaults) is probably a > mistake. popcon is a

Re: Bits from the Release Team: ride like the wind, Bullseye!

2019-08-07 Thread Ian Jackson
Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer writes ("Re: Bits from the Release Team: ride like the wind, Bullseye!"): > No, what I have been perceiving (and pretty please note that this is my > personal "feeling") is that maintainers, specially library maintainers, have > even more and more "stuff to care

Bug#934152: ITP: ocaml-stdio -- Standard IO library for OCaml

2019-08-07 Thread Stéphane Glondu
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Stéphane Glondu * Package name: ocaml-stdio Version : 0.12.0 Upstream Author : Jane Street Group, LLC * URL : https://github.com/janestreet/stdio * License : MIT Programming Lang: OCaml Description : Standard IO

Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID

2019-08-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 09:31:34AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 11:33:42 +, Bill Allombert wrote: Yesterday I received the same popcon ID 2600 times, and 4700 differents ID were received two times and 22000 ID were received exactly once. I understand the need for totally id

Bug#934150: ITP: janest-base -- Full standard library replacement for OCaml

2019-08-07 Thread Stéphane Glondu
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Stéphane Glondu * Package name: janest-base Version : 0.12.2 Upstream Author : Jane Street Group, LLC * URL : https://github.com/janestreet/base * License : MIT Programming Lang: OCaml Description : Full standard

Re: Cron, anacron, cronie, systemd-timers

2019-08-07 Thread Alexandre Detiste
Hi Mark, Thanks for notifying me of this discussion at https://github.com/systemd-cron/systemd-cron/issues/47 I have been trough some issues recently (apt-cacher-ng that spew errors after the release) and I had to dig trough the cron-daily unit journal to locate the problem and I untersand this i

Bug#934149: ITP: ocaml-sexplib0 -- Library containing the definition of S-expressions and some base converters

2019-08-07 Thread Stéphane Glondu
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Stéphane Glondu * Package name: ocaml-sexplib0 Version : 0.12.0 Upstream Author : Jane Street Group, LLC * URL : https://github.com/janestreet/sexplib0 * License : MIT Programming Lang: OCaml Description : Librar

Please stop hating on sysvinit (was Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?)

2019-08-07 Thread Ian Jackson
Marc Haber writes ("Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?"): > We have already thrown sysvinit away. No, we have not. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/sysvinit https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=sysvinit#_2_4_5 https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/in

Generating new IDs for cloning (was Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID)

2019-08-07 Thread The Wanderer
On 2019-08-07 at 04:26, Russell Stuart wrote: > On Wed, 2019-08-07 at 09:34 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > >> I am using Debian for two decades now, and I realized that >> necessity two days ago. > > Ditto - except for me it was a few seconds ago. In my case, it was when I read this thread last nig

Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?

2019-08-07 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon McVittie writes ("Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?"): > Trying to make this point more clearly because you seem to be confusing > systemd with systemd-cron: You are completely right. I was not aware that systemd-cron was not part of systemd. > s

Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID

2019-08-07 Thread Russell Stuart
On Wed, 2019-08-07 at 09:34 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > I am using Debian for two decades now, and I realized that necessity > two days ago. Ditto - except for me it was a few seconds ago. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?

2019-08-07 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 22:29:41 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: >With a systemd timer you can declare conflicts as well as a >lineralization if so needed. How would that be configured? Should all timers generated from cron.fooly be grouped together (in a target?) and conflict with that very target? >I

Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?

2019-08-07 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 16:34:18 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: >So it seems to me that there are the following options for systemd >users: > >A. Continue to use run-parts. > > Disadvantages: Bundles the output together. > Doesn't provide individual status. > > Advantages: No work needed. > >B. Run ea

Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID

2019-08-07 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 14:01:16 -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: >> "Bill" == Bill Allombert writes: > >Bill> This is potentially an excellent idea! > >Bill> Does not /etc/machine-id suffer of exactly the same issue as >Bill> /etc/popularity-contest.conf ? > >A lot more procedures for cloni

Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID

2019-08-07 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 11:33:42 +, Bill Allombert wrote: >Yesterday I received the same popcon ID 2600 times, and 4700 differents ID >were received >two times and 22000 ID were received exactly once. > >I understand the need for totally identical systems, but then probably >it does not make sense