Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-28 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:39:51PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: > The first thing I wanted to find out, the separation of changelogs > happened in 1998 according to dpkg changelogs. > > dpkg (1.4.0.22) frozen unstable; urgency=medium > > * Non-maintainer bug-fix release > * Install main change

Bug#873569: ITP: libmediawiki -- KDE C++ interface for MediaWiki based web service

2017-08-28 Thread Steve M. Robbins
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Steve M. Robbins" * Package name: libmediawiki Upstream Author : Team maintained; see https://github.com/KDE/libmediawiki/blob/master/AUTHORS * URL : https://cgit.kde.org/libmediawiki.git * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++

Re: Whether remotely running software is considered "software" for Debian.

2017-08-28 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 08/12/2017 07:35 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Aug 12, "Dr. Bas Wijnen" wrote: > >> Which would be a great example of software that is free interacting with >> software that is non-free. Thus the package with this as its main purpose >> should live in contrib. There's nothing wrong with that.

Re: Whether remotely running software is considered "software" for Debian.

2017-08-28 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] "Dr. Bas Wijnen" > But it's running on a different server. How is the "unrar-server" different > from an icq server? The unrar-client would be free software. The value of an ICQ server with a singular user is pretty low. The value there lies not in the software itself, but the network effe

Re: MBF: Multi-Arch: same violations

2017-08-28 Thread Aurelien Jarno
On 2017-08-28 09:14, Helmut Grohne wrote: > Hi, > > I analyzed file conflicts in binary packages marked Multi-Arch: same. To > do that, I created a branch of https://dedup.debian.net/ specifically > for analyzing multiarchy features of packages. The resulting issues are > fed into tracker.d.o alre

Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-28 Thread shirish शिरीष
at bottom :- On 28/08/2017, Guillem Jover wrote: > Hi! > > On Mon, 2017-08-28 at 12:50:48 +0100, Colin Watson wrote: >> It did take a little while for the current format to evolve. For >> example, very early source packages had changes recorded in a >> "debian.README" file in somewhat ad-hoc for

Lintian auto-reject changes in dak

2017-08-28 Thread Chris Lamb
.org" BTS pseudo- package. You can read more about Lintian autorejects on the ftpmaster webpages [4].) [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-dak/2017/08/msg5.html [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=873489 [2] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/reproducib

Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-28 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Mon, 2017-08-28 at 12:50:48 +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > It did take a little while for the current format to evolve. For > example, very early source packages had changes recorded in a > "debian.README" file in somewhat ad-hoc formats. > > I think the current changelog format arrived wit

Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-28 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 28 Aug 2017, shirish शिरीष wrote: > It would be helpful if somebody has one of the 1996 packages snapshots > and can share how the changelogs were at that point of time. That > might give a bit of reference as to how things were and if there were > any changes between them and now. http://

Re: Whether remotely running software is considered "software" for Debian.

2017-08-28 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-08-28 at 07:59, Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:31:15PM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: >> The existence of that API in the form of the client is a >> documentation that should be sufficient to reproduce a server that >> can communicate with the client. Do we expect that som

Bug#873500: ITP: golang-gopkg-flosch-pongo2.v3 -- Django-syntax like template-engine for Go

2017-08-28 Thread Jonathan Carter
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jonathan Carter * Package name: golang-gopkg-flosch-pongo2.v3 Version : 3.0 Upstream Author : Florian Schlachter * URL : https://github.com/flosch/pongo2 * License : Expat Programming Lang: Go Description : Django

Re: Whether remotely running software is considered "software" for Debian.

2017-08-28 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
Thanks Philipp, unlike the mail I responded to a few minutes ago, yours is constructive and I'm happy to continue discussing this with you. On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:31:15PM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: > On 08/27/2017 12:20 PM, Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 06:21:23PM +0200, Ph

Re: MBF: Multi-Arch: same violations

2017-08-28 Thread Christian Seiler
Am 2017-08-28 09:14, schrieb Helmut Grohne: Here is the bug template: v v v v v Package: $1 Severity: important User: multiarch-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org Usertags: multiarch $1 is marked Multi-Arch: same, but fails to coinstall with itself on $2 and $3. You can find a failing installation l

Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-28 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 04:10:05PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: > @Andrey Rahmatullin I read your answer at > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/08/msg00598.html but it > doesn't tell me whether this obvious idea was born in Debian or some > other GNU/Linux distribution. I do not the early

Re: Whether remotely running software is considered "software" for Debian.

2017-08-28 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:46:16AM +, Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote: > > > > > Are you saying that a Debian system where only main is enabled is > > > > > unsafe? > > > > [...] > > > > > If that is correct, it is a huge problem that that is the default > > > > > setup > > > > > we ship, don't you thin

PackageConfigUpgrade: Was X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-28 Thread shirish शिरीष
Dear Audrey, Please CC me. I read https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/08/msg00600.html My mistake, I assumed the package was named lcdproc and not pkg-config-model which the package is all about. Sorry for being a bit incoherent, just not in the best of the health. I had seen the page htt

Re: Whether remotely running software is considered "software" for Debian.

2017-08-28 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
I'm getting tired of this. You keep avoiding my questions and changing the subject. Unless you start answering my questions, I'm going to stop responding. On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 02:21:01PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 08:55:43AM +, Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote: > > > >

Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-28 Thread shirish शिरीष
at bottom :- On 27/08/2017, Dominique Dumont wrote: > On Thursday, 24 August 2017 08:01:54 CEST shirish शिरीष wrote: >> Are there any such unsung technical/non-technical or social >> innovations that Debian has done that is now known/or lesser known >> which Debianities should know about and be p

Bug#873487: ITP: goreplay -- GoReplay is an open-source tool for capturing and replaying live HTTP traffic

2017-08-28 Thread Aggelos Avgerinos
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Aggelos Avgerinos * Package name: goreplay Version : 0.16.1 Upstream Author : Leonid Bugaev * URL : https://github.com/buger/goreplay * License : LGPL Programming Lang: Go Description : GoReplay is an open-source

Re: Whether remotely running software is considered "software" for Debian.

2017-08-28 Thread Philipp Kern
On 08/27/2017 12:20 PM, Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote: > On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 06:21:23PM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: >> On 08/18/2017 10:36 AM, Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote: >>> Consider the following: unrar-nonfree contains some software which is >>> non-free >>> and can therefore not be in main. The reason we

Re: lcdproc was Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-28 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 03:51:22PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: > Dear Dominique, > > Thank you for sharing about lcdproc as response to my mail. For my 2 > cents, I disliked the idea (of lcdproc) immediately as simply applying > maintainer changes defeats the very purpose the tool declares or > cl

lcdproc was Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-28 Thread shirish शिरीष
Dear Dominique, Thank you for sharing about lcdproc as response to my mail. For my 2 cents, I disliked the idea (of lcdproc) immediately as simply applying maintainer changes defeats the very purpose the tool declares or claims to help. For e.g. I know of quite a few people where the modem login p

Re: history questions about how changelog.gz and changelog.Debian.gz came about.

2017-08-28 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 03:01:03PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: > While I'm pretty happy with the way Debian organizes this thing, was > this idea of having separate changelogs to lessen confusion born at > Debian or some other GNU/Linux distribution. If so, where and when > this idea was born, impl

history questions about how changelog.gz and changelog.Debian.gz came about.

2017-08-28 Thread shirish शिरीष
Dear all, Please CC me if anybody has an answer to below as I'm not subscribed to either of the mailing lists due to the volume both ML generate. I like the way Debian gives various changelogs . For instance for most packages it has - changelog.gz - This is the upstream changelog giving d

Re: Whether remotely running software is considered "software" for Debian.

2017-08-28 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 08:55:43AM +, Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote: > > > Are you saying that a Debian system where only main is enabled is unsafe? > > [...] > > > If that is correct, it is a huge problem that that is the default setup > > > we ship, don't you think? > > It is, but solving it most like

Re: Whether remotely running software is considered "software" for Debian.

2017-08-28 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:29:07PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 06:58:50AM +, Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote: > > Are you saying that a Debian system where only main is enabled is unsafe? > [...] > > If that is correct, it is a huge problem that that is the default setup > >

Re: Whether remotely running software is considered "software" for Debian.

2017-08-28 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 06:58:50AM +, Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote: > > > Let me put it differently then: for me, one of the major benefits of > > > Debian > > > over (most of) our derivatives is that I can set the system up in a way > > > that > > > allows me to live in a free software bubble. > >

MBF: Multi-Arch: same violations

2017-08-28 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hi, I analyzed file conflicts in binary packages marked Multi-Arch: same. To do that, I created a branch of https://dedup.debian.net/ specifically for analyzing multiarchy features of packages. The resulting issues are fed into tracker.d.o already, but little happens about them. File conflicts in

Re: Whether remotely running software is considered "software" for Debian.

2017-08-28 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 04:00:54PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 10:20:27AM +, Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote: > > Let me put it differently then: for me, one of the major benefits of Debian > > over (most of) our derivatives is that I can set the system up in a way that > >