Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-05-30 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
AFAIK, mdadm's default (and maybe only supported, without some custom scripting) way to report a degraded array is email. That's definitely an important feature as not noticing a degraded array will result in complete data loss (well, or at least restore from backup). OTOH, seems weird for Dra

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-05-30 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 30/05/17 23:57, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: my impression is that too many packages use Recommends that should really be Suggests. As a random example: installing dracut as a initramfs provider will pull in exim4... (dracut-core Recommends: mdadm which Recommends: default-mta | mail-transport-age

Re: Mitigating the problem of limited security support

2017-05-30 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: > You're best technical bet would be to upgrade to new webkit releases in > stretch point releases, this would allow proper binNMUs and allow > people to testdrive via s-p-u. But that's up for the SRMs to > decide (and I doubt they want to

Re: Mitigating the problem of limited security support

2017-05-30 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff
Alberto Garcia wrote: > The problem is that point releases with fixes for CVEs can also > introduce regressions (#855103, introduced in 2.14.4). That one was > fixed quickly, though, but that's why I was asking. The security archive doesn't scale to play catchup with all those rdeps. There's too m

Re: Bug#863361: dgit-user(7): replace apt-get build-deps with mk-build-deps

2017-05-30 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 06:32:17PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Emilio Pozuelo Monfort writes ("Re: Bug#863361: dgit-user(7): replace apt-get > build-deps with mk-build-deps"): > > I think what David wanted to say is: > > > > `apt-get install $foo' install recommends > > `apt-get build-dep $foo' d

Re: Bug#863361: dgit-user(7): replace apt-get build-deps with mk-build-deps

2017-05-30 Thread Ian Jackson
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort writes ("Re: Bug#863361: dgit-user(7): replace apt-get build-deps with mk-build-deps"): > I think what David wanted to say is: > > `apt-get install $foo' install recommends > `apt-get build-dep $foo' does not install recommends > > Thus you don't need to pass --no-install-

Re: Bug#863361: dgit-user(7): replace apt-get build-deps with mk-build-deps

2017-05-30 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
On 30/05/17 18:32, Ian Jackson wrote: > David Kalnischkies writes ("Re: Bug#863361: dgit-user(7): replace apt-get > build-deps with mk-build-deps"): >> I would recommend not to recommend it because apt follows the general >> recommendation of not recommending the installation of recommendations >>

Permanent transition tracker for Perl6 ? (was: Re: Packaging of libraries with unstable ABI (D, Rust, Go, ...))

2017-05-30 Thread Ian Jackson
Dominique Dumont writes ("Permanent transition tracker for Perl6 ? (was: Re: Packaging of libraries with unstable ABI (D, Rust, Go, ...))"): > On Thursday, 18 May 2017 16:37:58 CEST Matthias Klumpp wrote: > > Unfortunately though, the D language ABI isn't stable, so any future > > compiler update

Re: Bug#863361: dgit-user(7): replace apt-get build-deps with mk-build-deps

2017-05-30 Thread Ian Jackson
David Kalnischkies writes ("Re: Bug#863361: dgit-user(7): replace apt-get build-deps with mk-build-deps"): > I would recommend not to recommend it because apt follows the general > recommendation of not recommending the installation of recommendations > of build-dependencies by default for all rec

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-05-30 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > I suggest that only very few packages should Recommend a MTA: packages > that mainly deal with mail on servers in some way or another (for > user-facing applications, speaking SMTP to a remote SMTP server is > common enough that these shou

Bug#863719: ITP: gerbera -- UPnP Media Server

2017-05-30 Thread James Cowgill
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: James Cowgill X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: gerbera Version : 1.0.0 Upstream Author : Ian Whyman * URL : https://gerbera.io/ * License : GPL-2 Programming Lang: C++ Description : UPn

Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-05-30 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, my impression is that too many packages use Recommends that should really be Suggests. As a random example: installing dracut as a initramfs provider will pull in exim4... (dracut-core Recommends: mdadm which Recommends: default-mta | mail-transport-agent). This seems really not ideal. As a