Re: The Spirit of Free Software, or The Reality

2015-07-04 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 07:40:28PM +0200, Jan Gloser wrote: > So from my perspective - feel free to use non-free software, but remember > to pay for it, at least if the price is reasonable ;-). What to do with non-free software that doesn't require payment? It's the matter the original message was

Re: The Spirit of Free Software, or The Reality

2015-07-04 Thread lumin
Hi Jan Gloser and debian-devel, First I'd like to repeat a point on my view: * Free Software != Software can be legally used without charge Besides, some Free Software Licenses don't prevent people from selling them for profit, and so does Debian GNU/linux itself. The key of freesoftware is n

Re: Bug#790933: ITP: drive - Google Drive tool

2015-07-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joachim Breitner's message of 2015-07-04 13:45:40 -0700: > Hi, > > Am Samstag, den 04.07.2015, 17:16 +0200 schrieb Sophie Brun: > > Le 03/07/2015 21:46, Guillem Jover a écrit : > > > drive is an extremely generic name in tech, please use something > > > else > > > when packaging thi

Re: The Spirit of Free Software, or The Reality

2015-07-04 Thread Riley Baird
> In the same way, I'm pretty sure is perfectly possible to make money > developing free software. You just don't charge for selling copies or > licenses, but instead you charge for developing new custom features or > offering support and consultancy around the software. True, but you would make m

Re: The Spirit of Free Software, or The Reality

2015-07-04 Thread Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez
On 04/07/15 19:40, Jan Gloser wrote: > computers people somehow started to think that everything in this domain > should be free. Well, I don't really think so. If you go to the market and > want to get some apples, it's only fair that you pay for the apples. It's > your way to say to the apple-sel

Re: Bug#790933: ITP: drive - Google Drive tool

2015-07-04 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Samstag, den 04.07.2015, 17:16 +0200 schrieb Sophie Brun: > Le 03/07/2015 21:46, Guillem Jover a écrit : > > drive is an extremely generic name in tech, please use something > > else > > when packaging this, both for the source/binary packages and the > > executables and other related file

Re: The Spirit of Free Software, or The Reality

2015-07-04 Thread Jan Gloser
Michael Ole Olsen has written: >Keep the profit at work, but I certainly wouldn't charge in my sparetime >If you code on something you are hired to do, then its fine you charge, because you can't say what you want to code on, your employeer >decides so I partly agree but what would you do if you w

Re: The Spirit of Free Software, or The Reality

2015-07-04 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 07:48:26PM +0200, Michael Ole Olsen wrote: > non-free, only the developer wins, and those that have enough money to buy > > free software lets poor countries use pcs. You are making a grave mistake here (and below). Should I point it to you? -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc D

Re: The Spirit of Free Software, or The Reality

2015-07-04 Thread Jan Gloser
>I'm afraid you are terribly wrong with that comparison. You sound like an US citizen that, by historical means, brings everything that >does not completely value capitalism close to communism. Really strange for the rest of the world. Maybe I am wrong with the comparison, maybe not. But I am not

Re: The Spirit of Free Software, or The Reality

2015-07-04 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am 4. Juli 2015 19:40:28 MESZ, schrieb Jan Gloser : >This is a very nice philosophy. It has a history though. It also has a >name. Communism. And history has shown us that communism on a large >scale does not work. I'm afraid you are terribly wrong with that comparison. You sound like an US cit

Re: The Spirit of Free Software, or The Reality

2015-07-04 Thread Michael Ole Olsen
Non-free software sets back the whole community. It is non-free, nobody can develop on it, the author wants the rights for himself (greed). free software lets all code and share and create, everybody wins. non-free, only the developer wins, and those that have enough money to buy free softwa

Re: The Spirit of Free Software, or The Reality

2015-07-04 Thread Jan Gloser
Hello Lumin, I am not an active member of the debian community, just a listener on this thread, but you got my attention. I also admire free software makers although I think one must always keep in mind the reality of the world and the rules of the game called 'trade'. Software is a product like

Re: The Spirit of Free Software, or The Reality

2015-07-04 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 04:55:58PM +, lumin wrote: > I have no trouble on making my personal choises, what I want to know > is, what would you do to protect your software freedom, when the > reality requires you to touch non-free blobs? ... such as firmwares in various microcontrollers in your

The Spirit of Free Software, or The Reality

2015-07-04 Thread lumin
Hello Debian community, I long for becoming a Debian member, always. However now I get into trouble with the problem of "Spirit of Free software or Reality". I wonder how Debian interprets it's "Spirit of Free Software". (Certainly Social Contract and DFSG don't refer much detail) As we know, get

Re: Bug#790933: ITP: drive - Google Drive tool

2015-07-04 Thread Sophie Brun
Hi, thanks for your comments ! Le 03/07/2015 21:46, Guillem Jover a écrit : drive is an extremely generic name in tech, please use something else when packaging this, both for the source/binary packages and the executables and other related files. Prefixing it with «google-» could be an option,

Bug#791406: ITP: ruby-unicorn-worker-killer -- library to kill unicorn workers by memory and request counts

2015-07-04 Thread Balasankar C
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Balasankar C * Package name: ruby-unicorn-worker-killer Version : 0.4.2 Upstream Author : Kazuki Ohta * URL : https://github.com/kzk/unicorn-worker-killer * License : GPL-2+ or Ruby Programming Lang: Ruby Description