Bug#788794: ITP: python-suds-jurko -- lightweight SOAP client (Jurko's fork)

2015-06-14 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand * Package name: python-suds-jurko Version : 0.6 Upstream Author : Jurko Gospodnetic * URL : https://bitbucket.org/jurko/suds * License : LGPL Programming Lang: Python Description : lightweight SOAP

Re: ppp plugins and dependencies

2015-06-14 Thread Christoph Biedl
Chris Boot wrote... > The main problem that I see is that there isn't a built-in mechanism for > tracking such a situation, as far as I can tell. There aren't any shared > libraries involved, so I don't have the benefit of sonames, symbols > files or symbol versioning. (...) disclaimer: I might

Re: Is the Debian dependency system broken? (wget vs libgnutls-deb0-28)

2015-06-14 Thread Niels Thykier
On 2015-06-15 08:04, Neil Williams wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 13:26:26 -0700 > Russ Allbery wrote: > >> Simon McVittie writes: >> >>> This is a recurring (anti-)pattern: >> >>> * an ABI-stable, high-level library, say libhigh0, links to a >>> lower-level library, say liblow0 >>> * we have an

Re: Is the Debian dependency system broken? (wget vs libgnutls-deb0-28)

2015-06-14 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 13:26:26 -0700 Russ Allbery wrote: > Simon McVittie writes: > > > This is a recurring (anti-)pattern: > > > * an ABI-stable, high-level library, say libhigh0, links to a > > lower-level library, say liblow0 > > * we have an ABI transition from liblow0 to liblow1 > > * lib

Re: Adding support for LZIP to dpkg, using that instead of xz, archive wide

2015-06-14 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Sun, 2015-06-14 at 16:48:21 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2015-06-14 05:46:00 +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > > On Sun, 2015-06-14 at 01:08:29 +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > > On 06/13/2015 10:55 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > >

Re: Is the Debian dependency system broken? (wget vs libgnutls-deb0-28)

2015-06-14 Thread Michael Banck
Hi Siomn, On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 05:50:02PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On 14/06/15 17:19, Felipe Sateler wrote: > > I think either libgnutls-deb0-28 or libnettle6 should add a Breaks: > > libnettle4[1], to ensure all related packages are upgraded in lockstep. > > This is a recurring (anti-)

Re: Is the Debian dependency system broken? (wget vs libgnutls-deb0-28)

2015-06-14 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-06-14 18:15:33 +0200, Dominik George wrote: > Hi, > > > Note that the problem still occurs on an available set of packages: > > just start with a Debian/stable system (jessie) and upgrade > > libgnutls-deb0-28 to unstable (no dependencies/conflicts will > > yield an upgrade of wget, which

Re: Is the Debian dependency system broken? (wget vs libgnutls-deb0-28)

2015-06-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Simon McVittie writes: > This is a recurring (anti-)pattern: > * an ABI-stable, high-level library, say libhigh0, links to a > lower-level library, say liblow0 > * we have an ABI transition from liblow0 to liblow1 > * liblow0 and liblow1 do not both have versioned symbols And this point is th

Re: Is the Debian dependency system broken? (wget vs libgnutls-deb0-28)

2015-06-14 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-06-14 18:43:33 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 16:03:32 +0200, Vincent Lefevre > wrote: > >Normally, a well-designed dependency system should make sure that the > >user cannot install an incorrect combination of packages (avoiding > >segmentation faults and internal errors),

Re: ppp plugins and dependencies

2015-06-14 Thread Chris Boot
Hi all, I'm emailing again because I realise I got the per-package QA email addresses all wrong, but also because I don't think we came to any real resolution on this. My original message: On 07/06/15 11:26, Chris Boot wrote: > Hi all, > > Apologies for the long email, but there's a lot to disc

Re: Is the Debian dependency system broken? (wget vs libgnutls-deb0-28)

2015-06-14 Thread Andreas Metzler
Simon McVittie wrote: [...] > One solution is to give the lower-level library versioned symbols, with > at least one unique version per SONAME. That's how libjpeg and libpng > avoid breaking lots of GUIs every time they bump SONAME, for instance. [...] FWIW this specific combination should not br

Re: Is the Debian dependency system broken? (wget vs libgnutls-deb0-28)

2015-06-14 Thread Simon McVittie
On 14/06/15 17:19, Felipe Sateler wrote: > I think either libgnutls-deb0-28 or libnettle6 should add a Breaks: > libnettle4[1], to ensure all related packages are upgraded in lockstep. This is a recurring (anti-)pattern: * an ABI-stable, high-level library, say libhigh0, links to a lower-level

Re: Is the Debian dependency system broken? (wget vs libgnutls-deb0-28)

2015-06-14 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 16:03:32 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: >Normally, a well-designed dependency system should make sure that the >user cannot install an incorrect combination of packages (avoiding >segmentation faults and internal errors), e.g. during a partial >upgrade. But it appears that this

Re: Is the Debian dependency system broken? (wget vs libgnutls-deb0-28)

2015-06-14 Thread Felipe Sateler
On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 16:03:32 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=788710#10 > > Note that the problem still occurs on an available set of packages: just > start with a Debian/stable system (jessie) and upgrade libgnutls-deb0-28 > to unstable (no dep

Re: Is the Debian dependency system broken? (wget vs libgnutls-deb0-28)

2015-06-14 Thread Dominik George
Hi, > Note that the problem still occurs on an available set of packages: > just start with a Debian/stable system (jessie) and upgrade > libgnutls-deb0-28 to unstable (no dependencies/conflicts will > yield an upgrade of wget, which will occasionally segfault). well, then, obviously, the depende

Re: Adding support for LZIP to dpkg, using that instead of xz, archive wide

2015-06-14 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 14 Jun 2015, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Therefore, I'm tempted to raise this to the technical committee > (putting their list as Cc). Does anyone see a reason why I am > mistaking here? Does a patch exist which can enable lz for orig.tar? Otherwise, I guess some of us could be involved to h

Re: Adding support for LZIP to dpkg, using that instead of xz, archive wide

2015-06-14 Thread Vincent Lefevre
I'm currently using xz for my own files, but... On 2015-06-14 05:46:00 +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Sun, 2015-06-14 at 01:08:29 +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > On 06/13/2015 10:55 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > >> As a friend puts it: > >

Re: Adding support for LZIP to dpkg, using that instead of xz, archive wide

2015-06-14 Thread Felipe Sateler
On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 14:08:24 +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > And by the way, xz wouldn't be usable with pristine-tar for the same > reason. Ehm. pristine-xz(1) would beg to disagree. In the multimedia team, we use it for over 40 packages (where upstream provides an xz file of course). I guess y

Is the Debian dependency system broken? (wget vs libgnutls-deb0-28)

2015-06-14 Thread Vincent Lefevre
Normally, a well-designed dependency system should make sure that the user cannot install an incorrect combination of packages (avoiding segmentation faults and internal errors), e.g. during a partial upgrade. But it appears that this is not the case, and users are required to do "apt-get (dist-)up

Re: Adding support for LZIP to dpkg, using that instead of xz, archive wide

2015-06-14 Thread Thomas Goirand
Guillem, First, thanks for your reply and taking the time to reply on every point. This really is helpful. While I believe all of your argumentation is correct, I am still not convince about the reproducibility, which is my main issue here. Could you please reply to that point, and that one only?