Re: Architectures where unaligned access is (not) OK?

2014-11-22 Thread Florian Weimer
* Simon McVittie: > - OK: any-i386, any-amd64 SSE2 is part of amd64 and i386, and has strict alignment requirements. This is why stack alignment bugs in the toolchain are usually fatal. (We still support SSE2-less i386 installations, I think, but some libraries will use SSE2 when available.) i38

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-22 22:10 GMT+01:00 Simon McVittie : > On 22/11/14 19:54, Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> (Maybe systemd has smarter methods for that case which I don't know of) > > I think RequiresMountsFor is what you're looking for. > > ConditionFileExists is not the right thing here: the Condition* family > m

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-22 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Tollef Fog Heen (2014-11-22 21:52:10) > ]] Jonas Smedegaard > >> Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-11-22 18:01:12) >>> I also like the idea of not having ssh depend on all local file >>> systems to be mounted. I think it's going to be pretty rare to have >>> a system that has /lib and /etc mou

Re: Architectures where unaligned access is (not) OK?

2014-11-22 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 10:37 PM, brian m. carlson wrote: > On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 09:42:43PM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: >> * Henrique de Moraes Holschuh , 2014-11-21, 17:34: >> >i386: >> > __asm__("pushf\norl $0x4,(%esp)\npopf"); >> >> It works! Actually, it works so well it makes puts("hell

Bug#770649: ITP: pprepair -- planar partition repair tool

2014-11-22 Thread Bas Couwenberg
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Bas Couwenberg * Package name: pprepair Version : 0.0~20140611-c70373b Upstream Author : Ken Arroyo Ohori Hugo Ledoux Martijn Meijers * URL : https://github.com/tudelft3d/pprepair * License : GPL-3.0+ or Commercial

Re: Architectures where unaligned access is (not) OK?

2014-11-22 Thread brian m. carlson
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 09:42:43PM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Henrique de Moraes Holschuh , 2014-11-21, 17:34: > >i386: > > __asm__("pushf\norl $0x4,(%esp)\npopf"); > > It works! Actually, it works so well it makes puts("hello world") die with > SIGBUS. :-( Yeah, that's my experience, too

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-22 Thread Simon McVittie
On 22/11/14 19:54, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > (Maybe systemd has smarter methods for that case which I don't know of) I think RequiresMountsFor is what you're looking for. ConditionFileExists is not the right thing here: the Condition* family more or less means "if the condition is absent, behave a

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-22 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Jonas Smedegaard > Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-11-22 18:01:12) > > I also like the idea of not having ssh depend on all local file > > systems to be mounted. I think it's going to be pretty rare to have a > > system that has /lib and /etc mounted but can't start ssh. In theory, > > that's

Re: Architectures where unaligned access is (not) OK?

2014-11-22 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh , 2014-11-21, 17:34: i386: __asm__("pushf\norl $0x4,(%esp)\npopf"); It works! Actually, it works so well it makes puts("hello world") die with SIGBUS. :-( -- Jakub Wilk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 07:17:55PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > If sshd uses (or can be made to use) IP_FREEBIND to remove the potential > dependency on bringing up network interfaces, then > /lib/systemd/system/ssh.service could have DefaultDependencies=no, > RequiresMountsFor=/usr /lib /etc, a

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-22 20:30 GMT+01:00 Russ Allbery : > Jonas Smedegaard writes: >> Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-11-22 18:01:12) > >>> I also like the idea of not having ssh depend on all local file systems >>> to be mounted. I think it's going to be pretty rare to have a system >>> that has /lib and /etc moun

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonas Smedegaard writes: > Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-11-22 18:01:12) >> I also like the idea of not having ssh depend on all local file systems >> to be mounted. I think it's going to be pretty rare to have a system >> that has /lib and /etc mounted but can't start ssh. In theory, that's >> po

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-22 Thread Simon McVittie
On 22/11/14 17:01, Russ Allbery wrote: > I think it's going to be pretty rare to have a system that > has /lib and /etc mounted but can't start ssh. In theory, that's possible > with a split / and /usr, but as we've discussed in other threads, that's > an extremely unusual configuration these days

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-22 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-11-22 18:01:12) > I also like the idea of not having ssh depend on all local file > systems to be mounted. I think it's going to be pretty rare to have a > system that has /lib and /etc mounted but can't start ssh. In theory, > that's possible with a split / and /usr

Re: init system policy

2014-11-22 Thread Philip Hands
The Wanderer writes: > On 11/22/2014 at 03:44 AM, Philip Hands wrote: > >> Hi Simon, >> >> Thanks for the explanation -- all makes a lot more sense now. >> >> I'm much less tempted to rant about how large chunks of /lib should >> be moved to /etc (which is very good, because I don't suppose I'd

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Adam Borowski writes: > There's currently no way to express which mounts are needed for which > functionality. While that's true, I'm not sure that fine-grained control of this is required here. We can get a long way with just a way to indicate whether a mount is important or unimportant. And

Re: New pre-depends: python pre-depends python-minimal

2014-11-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Saturday, November 22, 2014 05:06:25 PM Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Wouter Verhelst , 2014-11-22, 08:25: > >>It appears that the appropriate resolution of #769106 [1] is to add a > >>new pre-depends on python-minimal in python. > >> > >>This issue at hand is that at the time python2.7-minimal is > >>

Re: New pre-depends: python pre-depends python-minimal

2014-11-22 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Wouter Verhelst , 2014-11-22, 08:25: It appears that the appropriate resolution of #769106 [1] is to add a new pre-depends on python-minimal in python. This issue at hand is that at the time python2.7-minimal is configured, python is unpacked, but python-minimal is not. Since python-2.7-m

Re: Age of built packages to be part of the jessie release?

2014-11-22 Thread Rebecca N. Palmer
There's no limit on age, but an FTBFS is a serious bug; there are regular automated checks for this (e.g. https://bugs.debian.org/768691 ), but manual reports are also welcome. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact l

Re: policy regarding redistributable binary files in upstream tarballs

2014-11-22 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Troy Benjegerdes: > How hard would it be to add hooks/helpers to dpkg-buildpackage to know how > to deal with git and mercurial repositories, and deterministically generate > the 'source' tar.gz from the repo? > Exactly: Get source by adding a vcs-git-commit: field which points to the sources

Re: Age of built packages to be part of the jessie release?

2014-11-22 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:19:10 +0100 Svante Signell wrote: > Hello, > > I wonder how old a package build can be to be part of the release. > Some packages are built up to a year ago, and rebuilding them now > FTBFS. What to do, file a bug or accept status quo? > > Thanks! In summary: Everything

Age of built packages to be part of the jessie release?

2014-11-22 Thread Svante Signell
Hello, I wonder how old a package build can be to be part of the release. Some packages are built up to a year ago, and rebuilding them now FTBFS. What to do, file a bug or accept status quo? Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscri

Re: policy regarding redistributable binary files in upstream tarballs

2014-11-22 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 10:25:43AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, > > Russell Stuart: > > Admittedly this meshes well with my experience that they are often > > fairly lax about what they put in those tarballs. Their "make > > distclean" scripts are often not as good as they could be > > O

Bug#770603: ITP: libfte -- encryption library to thwart deep packet inspection censorship

2014-11-22 Thread Rolf Leggewie
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Rolf Leggewie * Package name: libfte Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : Kevin P Dyer * URL : http://fteproxy.org * License : GPL Programming Lang: Python Description : encryption library to thwart deep packet insp

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-22 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Adam Borowski: > * systemd: in preinst, check if any fstab lines without noauto or nofail > are not currently mounted -- if so, abort the installation as it would > result in an unbootable system. > In theory, sshd could start much earlier. Right now it (indirectly) depends on networking

Re: systemd breaking display manager - no way to force?

2014-11-22 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Norbert Preining: > > > Is there *any* way to *force* systemd to start lightdm ...? > Booting with "systemd.unit=lightdm.service" should work, at least if its dependencies are set up correctly. (Disclaimer: I didn't test that.) Alternately you can boot with "systemd.unit=multi-user.target",

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-22 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 05:51:47PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > As I understand it, sysvinit didn't care whether mountall.sh succeeded or > failed. This doesn't come from ignorance. What can you do in this situation? * throw your hands up, abort booting. Hope the admin enjoys a drive to the d

Re: init system policy

2014-11-22 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/22/2014 at 03:44 AM, Philip Hands wrote: > Hi Simon, > > Thanks for the explanation -- all makes a lot more sense now. > > I'm much less tempted to rant about how large chunks of /lib should > be moved to /etc (which is very good, because I don't suppose I'd be > the first to suggest it ;-

Re: Bug#752450: ftp.debian.org: please consider to strongly tighten the validity period of Release files

2014-11-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 12:37:06PM +0100, Ralf Jung wrote: > Hi, > > >>> - Debian should ship a default set of firewall rules. Are we the only > >>> distro which doesn't do this? I mean a basic ruleset which drops > >>> incoming, accepts outgoing and accepts related,establised is so easy to > >>>

Re: init system policy

2014-11-22 Thread Philip Hands
Hi Simon, Thanks for the explanation -- all makes a lot more sense now. I'm much less tempted to rant about how large chunks of /lib should be moved to /etc (which is very good, because I don't suppose I'd be the first to suggest it ;-) ) Simon McVittie writes: > On 21/11/14 17:07, Philip Hand

Re: init system policy

2014-11-22 Thread Philip Hands
Matthias Urlichs writes: > Hi, > > Philip Hands: >> Is there any way this isn't going to be an enormous surprise to people >> that are used to the way that Debian usually treats /etc? >> > Well, instead of "edit /etc/default/FOO and search for the flag to disable > the daemon" or the programmati