Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 13/11/14 06:29, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Daniel Pocock dijo [Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:08:23PM +0100]: >> I didn't want to be too specific, to give other people a chance to make >> suggestions >> >> However, one possibility is that anybody maintaining an essential >> package and anybody who is a DPL d

Re: Second call for votes: GR - Init system coupling

2014-11-12 Thread Stephen Frost
* Neil McGovern (ne...@debian.org) wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 57dd4d7c-3e92-428f-8ab7-10de5172589e [ 5 ] Choice 1: Packages may not (in general) require a specific init system [ 3 ] Choice 2: Support for other init systems is recommended, but n

Bug#769373: ITP: ruby-notifier -- send system notifications on several platforms

2014-11-12 Thread Balasankar C
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Balasankar C * Package name: ruby-notifier Version : 0.5.0 Upstream Author : Nando Vieira * URL : https://github.com/fnando/notifier * License : Expat Programming Lang: Ruby Description : send system notification

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Daniel Pocock dijo [Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:08:23PM +0100]: > I didn't want to be too specific, to give other people a chance to make > suggestions > > However, one possibility is that anybody maintaining an essential > package and anybody who is a DPL delegate would be able to veto. The > implic

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Wednesday 12 November 2014 10:47:30 Raphael Hertzog wrote: [snip] > > I'd like to note that there are very good reasons for a debian-only, > > overlay-style packaging repository too. This section should, in my > > opinion, at least acknowledge that, and briefly mention it as an option. > > I fi

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Sam Hartman
Hi. I've read the original proposal and believe it is generally going in the right direction. things I liked: * didn't pick between dgit/git-dpm/git-pq; documented the common parts * Seemed to really focus on one clear scope. * Discouraged overlay packaging. I've tried to read the arguments, an

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Andrey Rahmatullin writes: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 01:41:33PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> If a veto facility is created effectively, then it will deter people >> from complexity and force people back to looking for consensus > Or we could fix the TC instead. It would be lovely if that were

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ron
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 02:14:55PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hi Ron, > > On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Ron wrote: > > I think you probably need to be careful of overspecifying this. > > Definitely. That's precisely why I don't want to dwelve (too much) > into details of the various workflows and why

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Andreas Barth
* Daniel Pocock (dan...@pocock.pro) [141112 13:42]: > On 12/11/14 13:12, zlatan wrote: > > Please no. > > > > We need less and not more layers of governance/'political' complexity > > in project. Lets stop acting like government and more like community. > > > If a veto facility is created effect

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Daniel Pocock wrote: > It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only > option for them is to resign. > > Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, > allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto decisions? Would this be > better

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ron
Hi Simon, (Please CC me on these, I'm not currently subscribed to -devel, and I'm catching up from the list archives. At the very least it will make it easier to avoid accidentally breaking the threading :) > On 12/11/14 05:54, Mathieu Parent wrote: > > Also, the vendor/* branches heads should

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread koanhead
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 13:20:01 +0100, zlatan wrote: > We need less and not more layers of governance/'political' complexity in > project. Lets stop acting like government and more like community. > When you have a small number of people involved in a 'community' then you can get by with little

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Gergely Nagy
> "Raphael" == Raphael Hertzog writes: Raphael> Hi Gergely, Raphael> On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Gergely Nagy wrote: Raphael> When releasing a Debian package, the packager should create and push Raphael> a signed tag named `/`. For example, a Debian maintainer Raphael> releasin

Re: Should fast-evolving packages be backports-only?

2014-11-12 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Rogério Brito wrote: > On 2014-11-11 15:30, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > However, candidate packages due to reason (c) above really are a problem, > > IMHO they shouldn't be in stable in the first place. > > Does this mean that I should ask for the removal of youtube

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > In fact, I was quite non-amused by the initial versions of this idea, but > > reading this latest version, I must say I *like* it. Well done! I am > > especially happy about the way it respec

Re: Bug#769317: ITP: lightmdeditor -- An editor for markdown files

2014-11-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
Control: reassign -1 wnpp Control: severity -1 wishlist Control: owner -1 Bhavyanshu Parasher Your mailer messed up the line breaks, trying to fix. > * Package name : lightmdeditor > Version : 1.0-2 > Upstream Author : Bhavyanshu Parasher > * URL : https://github.com/bhavyanshu/lightmd_edit

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Iustin Pop
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 09:21:56AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Iustin Pop wrote: > > > Packaging branches and tags > > > === > > > > > > Packaging branches should be named according to the codename of the > > > target distribution. In the c

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 12, 2014, at 09:27 AM, Matthias Urlichs wrote: >Then we should either remove the paragraph entirely, or at least mention >the danger of bit rot and that it's unwise to rely on being able to recover >the tarfile (long term). Because the vast majority of upstream Python packages are released

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 11/11/14 22:26, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hello, > > following the initial discussion we had in August > (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/08/thrd2.html#00499), I have > written a first draft of the Debian Enhancement Proposal that I suggested. > It's now online at http://dep.debian.

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Octavio Alvarez
On 11/12/2014 02:04 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only option for them is to resign. Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto decisions? Would this be better than p

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 06:44:50PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > You're expecting people proposing GRs to be receptive to rational > > argument. > > > > I fear you've not been paying close attention recently. Well > > done. I congratulate you on your wisdom. > If rational argument is not necess

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/11/14 18:36, Philip Hands wrote: > Daniel Pocock writes: > >> On 12/11/14 17:47, Thomas Goirand wrote: >>> On 11/12/2014 07:08 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 12/11/14 11:43, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:04:05

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Philip Hands
Daniel Pocock writes: > On 12/11/14 17:47, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> On 11/12/2014 07:08 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: >>> On 12/11/14 11:43, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:04:05AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that t

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 12/11/14 17:47, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 11/12/2014 07:08 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> On 12/11/14 11:43, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:04:05AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only option for them

Re: Should fast-evolving packages be backports-only?

2014-11-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 12/11/14 17:42, Scott Howard wrote: > On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Rogério Brito wrote: >> On 2014-11-11 15:30, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: >>> However, candidate packages due to reason (c) above really are a problem, >>> IMHO they shouldn't be in stable in the first place. >> >> D

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Maxime Chatelle
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:11:12PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > Hi! > > On Wed, 2014-11-12 at 15:38:59 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote: > > > I'd like to note that there are very good reasons for a debian-only, > > > overlay-style packaging reposito

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 12, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >I don't know. My long term hope is that in this process we will get to a >situation where: >- either the tools are sufficiently interoperable that we don't have to > care about this >- or one of tools emerges as standard supporting all the imp

Re: r-base-core upload to unstable does not respect freeze policy

2014-11-12 Thread Santiago Vila
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 07:17:59AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi Santiago, > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 10:24:11PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > > So, would this patch to the current r-base package improve things if > > applied to the version in unstable? > > [...] > > While this would create a

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/12/2014 07:08 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > On 12/11/14 11:43, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:04:05AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: >>> It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only >>> option for them is to resign. >>> >>> Would it be worthwhile giv

Re: Should fast-evolving packages be backports-only?

2014-11-12 Thread Scott Howard
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Rogério Brito wrote: > On 2014-11-11 15:30, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: >> However, candidate packages due to reason (c) above really are a problem, >> IMHO they shouldn't be in stable in the first place. > > Does this mean that I should ask for the removal

Bug#769304: ITP: graypy -- Python logging handler that sends messages in GELF

2014-11-12 Thread Benjamin Drung
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Benjamin Drung * Package name: graypy Version : 0.2.11 Upstream Author : Sever Băneşiu * URL : https://github.com/severb/graypy * License : BSD Programming Lang: Python Description : Python logging handler that s

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Ian Jackson wrote: > Simon, would you care to write up a concrete text documenting the > conventional divided layouts ? Raphael, I guess you have the DEP in > git. Where's the repo ? Wait, what, it's in the webtree in ... > is that still CVS ? It's in the "dep" SVN repo

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Ian Jackson wrote: > > It doesn't make much sense to have an standard unless there's also a plan > > to > > implement using it. > > I thought Raphael was trying to document existing practice. The problem is that existing practices are not uniform and vary between helper too

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Raphael Hertzog writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories"): > Much like we have a "default desktop environment" we should have a default > layout for a git packaging repository. There's an argument for that. Of course (donning my partisan colours) I think the a

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Mathieu Parent
2014-11-12 14:29 GMT+01:00 Raphael Hertzog : > On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Mathieu Parent wrote: >> Maybe a short note would be good then? (but I don't know how to write it). > > I suggest this: > > --- a/web/deps/dep14.mdwn > +++ b/web/deps/dep14.mdwn > @@ -230,6 +230,17 @@ non-patchable data), you can d

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Ian, On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Ian Jackson wrote: > Raphael Hertzog writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git > packaging repositories"): > > +When you have good reasons to only store the `debian` packaging directory > > +(for example when the uptream sources are really huge and contains

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Ian Jackson wrote: > Raphael Hertzog writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git > packaging repositories"): > > The DEP will neither encourage and discourage its use. It only mentions > > that if a maintainer is using it, it should store pristine-tar data > > in the

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Simon McVittie
On 12/11/14 14:12, Ian Jackson wrote: > Simon McVittie writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging > repositories"): >> In the gbp-pq world, after "git checkout debian/sid", hello.c would >> contain "hello, world", but there would be a patch in debian/patches/ to >> change it fr

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories"): > I think you need to be more explicit about the implications for `3.0 > (quilt)' format packages. Something like: > >If the git tree contains debian/format specifying `3.0 (quilt)', >the git tree

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Matthias Urlichs writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories"): > This DEP describes an integrated workflow. That's true right now. But I think a document called `Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories' ought to cover the reasonable possibilties which a

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Scott Kitterman
On November 12, 2014 8:15:02 AM CST, Scott Kitterman wrote: >On November 12, 2014 7:38:25 AM CST, Matthias Urlichs > wrote: >>Hi, >> >>Simon McVittie: >>> Is it the intention of this DEP to mandate the gbp-pq-like repo >>> structure, which basically forbids use of tools whose design does >not >>>

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Raphael Hertzog writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories"): > For development releases > > > Packages uploaded to the current development release should be prepared > in a `/master` branch. I preferred the previous text for this section

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Raphael Hertzog writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories"): > +When you have good reasons to only store the `debian` packaging directory > +(for example when the uptream sources are really huge and contains mostly > +non-patchable data), you can do so but you sho

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Scott Kitterman
On November 12, 2014 7:38:25 AM CST, Matthias Urlichs wrote: >Hi, > >Simon McVittie: >> Is it the intention of this DEP to mandate the gbp-pq-like repo >> structure, which basically forbids use of tools whose design does not >> match that? Or is the intention to set some conventions that can be >

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon McVittie writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories"): > On 12/11/14 05:54, Mathieu Parent wrote: > > Also, the vendor/* branches heads should be at a descendent commit of > > the corresponding upstream branch, diffing only by the debian dir. ... > Concrete e

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Simon McVittie: > > Keep Debian packaging completely separate (in a different branch, > > or even in a diffferent archive) and use a quilt-ish workflow > > > > Let's call this one "divided". > > Three: same as Two, but the Debian packaging branch is branched from > the upstream branch, so it

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Scott Kitterman writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories"): > Who's going to do patches to existing tools (e.g. git-dpm is the one > I use and care about) so they comply with this and similarly scripts > to convert existing git repos to match this recommendation?

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Raphael Hertzog writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories"): > The DEP will neither encourage and discourage its use. It only mentions > that if a maintainer is using it, it should store pristine-tar data > in the "pristine-tar" branch. Would it be worth mentioni

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Barry Warsaw writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories"): > On Nov 11, 2014, at 10:26 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > >Vendor namespaces > >- > > > >Each "vendor" uses its own namespace for its packaging related > >Git branches and tags: `debian/*` f

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Raphael Hertzog writes ("RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories"): > following the initial discussion we had in August > (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/08/thrd2.html#00499), I have > written a first draft of the Debian Enhancement Proposal that I suggested. > I

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Simon McVittie
On 12/11/14 13:38, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > IMHO there are two basic approaches which are mostly at odds with > each other. I think there are at least three. > Two: Treat Upstream tarballs as Source Code; if Upstream generates > them from git-or-whatever, that's not our problem. Use a script to

Re: Removing duplication: Word lists of common words in languages

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Ben Finney writes ("Re: Removing duplication: Word lists of common words in languages"): > Ian Jackson writes: > > I had roughly this question in 2013, and found the answer. Here is > > probably the best starting point: > > > > http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~ijackson/git?p=evade-mail-us

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Simon McVittie: > Is it the intention of this DEP to mandate the gbp-pq-like repo > structure, which basically forbids use of tools whose design does not > match that? Or is the intention to set some conventions that can be true > regardless of whether you are using a more gbp-pq-like or more

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Mathieu Parent wrote: > Maybe a short note would be good then? (but I don't know how to write it). I suggest this: --- a/web/deps/dep14.mdwn +++ b/web/deps/dep14.mdwn @@ -230,6 +230,17 @@ non-patchable data), you can do so but you should then document this in `debian/README

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Ron, On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Ron wrote: > I think you probably need to be careful of overspecifying this. Definitely. That's precisely why I don't want to dwelve (too much) into details of the various workflows and why I try to restrict the DEP at simple naming conventions for branches and tags t

Bug#769288: ITP: python-lda -- Topic modeling with latent Dirichlet allocation

2014-11-12 Thread Allen Riddell
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Allen Riddell * Package name: python-lda Version : 0.3.2 Upstream Author : lda developers * URL : https://pypi.python.org/pypi/lda * License : MPL-2 Programming Lang: Python Description : Topic modeling with late

Bug#769287: ITP: python-oslo.concurrency -- concurrency and locks for OpenStack projects

2014-11-12 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand * Package name: python-oslo.concurrency Version : 0.2.0 Upstream Author : OpenStack developers * URL : https://github.com/openstack/oslo.concurrency * License : Apache-2.0 Programming Lang: Python Desc

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Simon McVittie
On 12/11/14 05:54, Mathieu Parent wrote: > Also, the vendor/* branches heads should be at a descendent commit of > the corresponding upstream branch, diffing only by the debian dir. This is only true for workflows similar to the one normally used with gbp-pq, in which desired patches are serialize

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 01:41:33PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > Please no. > > > > We need less and not more layers of governance/'political' complexity > > in project. Lets stop acting like government and more like community. > If a veto facility is created effectively, then it will deter peop

Bug#769283: ITP: python-oslo.middleware -- various WSGI middleware components for OpenStack

2014-11-12 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand * Package name: python-oslo.middleware Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : OpenStack Developers * URL : https://github.com/openstack/oslo.middleware * License : Apache-2.0 Programming Lang: Python Descri

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Daniel, aint the GR process exactly that, a way to say "veto"? Compare the current vote... cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 12/11/14 13:12, zlatan wrote: > Please no. > > We need less and not more layers of governance/'political' complexity > in project. Lets stop acting like government and more like community. If a veto facility is created effectively, then it will deter people from complexity and force people ba

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread zlatan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Please no. We need less and not more layers of governance/'political' complexity in project. Lets stop acting like government and more like community. Cheers, zlatan On 12 November 2014 11:04:05 CET, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > >It is very sad to

Re: Beersigning in Zürich/SH/Winti? Meeting other local Debianistas? Bugfixing?

2014-11-12 Thread Tomas Pospisek
Thanks for all the nice info Paul! *t Am 12.11.2014 um 06:59 schrieb Paul Wise: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > >> would any of you come and sign my key when in Zürich/SH/Winti? > > In case folks from these places aren't reading this list, some possibilities: > > htt

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ron
Hi Raphael, On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:15:27AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hi Scott, > > using your mail as an opportunity to explicity notify the respective > package maintainers of this ongoing DEP. > > Guido, Bernhard, Ron, if you are not reading debian-devel, I would > like to bring you

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Gary
On 12/11/14 10:04, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only > option for them is to resign. > > Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, > allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto decisions? Would this be > bet

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Thibaut Paumard wrote: > I see nothing about whether the debian branch should contained the > unpacked or the unpacked *and* patched sources, and whether to ship the > .pc directory. > > I personally ship the unpatched sources and don't ship the .pc directory. That's a v

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > QUESTION: some people have argued to use debian/master as the latest > packaging targets sometimes sid and sometimes experimental. Should we > standardize on this? Or should we explicitly allow this as an alternative? Given the feedback received,

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Thibaut Paumard
Le 11/11/2014 22:26, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > Hello, > > following the initial discussion we had in August > (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/08/thrd2.html#00499), I have > written a first draft of the Debian Enhancement Proposal that I suggested. > It's now online at http://dep.debi

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Wed, 2014-11-12 at 15:38:59 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote: > > I'd like to note that there are very good reasons for a debian-only, > > overlay-style packaging repository too. This section should, in my > > opinion, at least acknowledge that,

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 12/11/14 11:43, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:04:05AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only >> option for them is to resign. >> >> Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, >> allowing

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:04:05AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only > option for them is to resign. > > Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, > allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto decisions? Wo

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Daniel Pocock , 2014-11-12, 11:04: It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only option for them is to resign. Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto decisions? Would this be better than people

Re: Bad weather in testing?

2014-11-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > This is a bug, I’ve seen this affect buildd dependency resolution, > and anyway, if it’s not installable everywhere, why is it arch:all? I would guess that uninstallable arch:all things happens when they depend on non-portable things. For

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:04:05 +0100 Daniel Pocock wrote: > It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only > option for them is to resign. > > Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, > allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto decisions? Would t

Re: Bad weather in testing?

2014-11-12 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Fri, 7 Nov 2014, Ralf Treinen wrote: > architecture-specific. The issue of architecture=all packages that > are not installable on some architecture can IMHO not be solved with > our current setup which makes architectures=all available on every > architecture. This is a bug, I’ve seen this a

Re: inconsistent versions of M-A: same packages

2014-11-12 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Sat, 8 Nov 2014, Stuart Prescott wrote: > UDD can help with this. > > A list of source packages that have M-A: same binary packages in jessie that > have different versions in any two release architectures is at: Can we do this for the triplet (i386, amd64, x32) too, please? Yes, it’s not a

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Mathieu Parent
" 2014-11-12 10:28 GMT+01:00 Raphael Hertzog : > On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Mathieu Parent wrote: >> A paragraph about repacked upstream is needed. A lot of packages are >> currently stripped for minified JS, non-free additions, included RFCs, >> ... What would the upstream/1.x branch be then? Maybe add

veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only option for them is to resign. Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto decisions? Would this be better than people leaving outright? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Mattia Rizzolo
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >> for the current Ubuntu development series. If I needed to support older >> releases in either distro, then debian/wheezy or ubuntu/utopic would be good >> branches to use. (Or IOW, what's the equivalent of debian/sid for Ubuntu?) > > I

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Gergely, On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Gergely Nagy wrote: > Raphael> When releasing a Debian package, the packager should create and > push > Raphael> a signed tag named `/`. For example, a Debian > maintainer > Raphael> releasing a package with version 2:1.2~rc1-1 would create a tag > n

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Mathieu Parent wrote: > A paragraph about repacked upstream is needed. A lot of packages are > currently stripped for minified JS, non-free additions, included RFCs, > ... What would the upstream/1.x branch be then? Maybe add an > upstream/1.x+debian branch? Yeah, that was ano

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
[ Ccing the maintainers of git packaging helper tools ] Hi Scott, using your mail as an opportunity to explicity notify the respective package maintainers of this ongoing DEP. Guido, Bernhard, Ron, if you are not reading debian-devel, I would like to bring your attention to a discussion that I r

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Barry Warsaw wrote: > One question: when this gets adopted, will individual maintainers or teams > have to know which of the git packaging helpers a particular repository is > using? IOW, what happens if I were to use gbp-pq on a package that someone > else had used git-dpm on

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > In fact, I was quite non-amused by the initial versions of this idea, but > reading this latest version, I must say I *like* it. Well done! I am > especially happy about the way it respects the usual git usage conventions, > this will ease

Bug#769224: ITP: noggit -- Fast streaming JSON parser for Java

2014-11-12 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Emmanuel Bourg * Package name: noggit Version : 0.6 Upstream Author : Yonik Seeley * URL : http://github.com/yonik/noggit * License : Apache-2.0 Programming Lang: Java Description : Fast streaming JSON parser for

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ben Finney
Paul Wise writes: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote: > > > I'd like to note that there are very good reasons for a debian-only, > > overlay-style packaging repository too. This section should, in my > > opinion, at least acknowledge that, and briefly mention it as an > > optio

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > If the package maintainers use the pristine-tar tool to efficiently store > > a byte-for-byte copy of the upstream tarballs, this should be done in the > > `pristine-tar` branch. > > Please discourage the use of pristine-tar. The format is fragile a

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Jonathan Dowland: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 01:13:39AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > Please discourage the use of pristine-tar. The format is fragile and can > > suffer from bit rot. > > I am not personally interested in pristine-tar, but I don't think this is the > right place to take a

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Iustin Pop wrote: > > Packaging branches and tags > > === > > > > Packaging branches should be named according to the codename of the > > target distribution. In the case of Debian, that means for example > > `debian/sid`, `debian/jessie`, `debian/

Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

2014-11-12 Thread Dominique Dumont
On Friday 07 November 2014 17:04:10 Joey Hess wrote: > It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I > originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish > everyone well, but I'm out. I'm very sorry to read this. We'll miss you. All the best -- https://githu

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Gergely Nagy
> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Dowland writes: Jonathan> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 03:38:59PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: >> Personally I wouldn't use anything other than debian-only repos, at >> least for those where I have a choice. I also actively avoid >> contributing to packages that

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 03:38:59PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > Personally I wouldn't use anything other than debian-only repos, at > least for those where I have a choice. I also actively avoid > contributing to packages that don't use such repos. And I'm the exact opposite. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, em

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 01:13:39AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Please discourage the use of pristine-tar. The format is fragile and can > suffer from bit rot. I am not personally interested in pristine-tar, but I don't think this is the right place to take a stance on its use. -- To UNSUBS