Hi,
Noel Torres:
> I think we should not care about Gnome's target audience, but about Debian's
> target audience. Remember Debian Social Contract , #4.
>
No single DE can be the perfect DE-to-end-all-DE-flames^Wdiscussions to all
users.
If the missing min+max buttons is the only problem here,
On 12 August 2014 01:03, Kees de Jong wrote:
> Are we really comparing RAM here as if it were the 90's?
>
I had stated previously XFCE had started showing memory usage similar to
gnome. This has quite obviously changed. I was wrong, and i'm posting it as
a correction to my statement.
I also just
Hi,
wm4:
> Build something on a newer glibc system, and try to run the binary on
> an older system. It most likely won't work - even if it could in
> theory. (At least it was this way some years ago. Probably still is.)
What would be the point of introducing new or updated interfaces
if you then
On Monday, 11 de August de 2014 16:34:04 Matthias Urlichs escribió:
> Hi,
>
> Lennart Sorensen:
> > it needs buttons on windows that people expect to see where they expect
> > to see them
>
> You mean left vs. right side?
>
> > Would Debian be willing to make gnome3 have different defaults than
On Sat, 2014-08-09 at 16:22 +0200, Tomasz Nitecki wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Can you please send that last email to bug tracker too? Anything you
> send to 756...@bugs.debian.org will show up in the web browsable version
> [1] which will allow more people to look into your problem. As a matter
> of fact, I
Take two
On Sun, 2014-08-10 at 21:58 +0200, Tomasz Nitecki wrote:
> Hey,
>
>
> On 10/08/14 01:38, Alan Wilson wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > dpkg -s firmware-ipw2x00 | grep Version returns:
> >
> > 'Version: 0.36+wheezy.1'
>
> Ok, that is the latest stable version.
>
>
> However, I see neither t
On Saturday, 9 de August de 2014 12:04:56 Axel Wagner escribió:
[...]
> I really think, in these kinds of discussions it would be helpfull to
> get some kind of direct community-feedback. This would help *both* sides
> in every of these discussions, because it would make it impossible for
> either
Are we really comparing RAM here as if it were the 90's? How many people
here use Android? Today it needs 512 MB to function properly. In two years
that could be 1 or 2 GB and that's a mobile OS. How much RAM does your
browser use? My Chrome/Firefox easily uses 1 GB. My GNOME 3.10 desktop
(running
XFCE:
total used free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:506756 362468 144288 6568 22756 179264
-/+ buffers/cache: 160448 346308
Swap: 392188 0 392188
GNOME:
total used free shared
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:53:56PM +0200, wm4 wrote:
>
> To be fair, FFmpeg does its own "manual" symbol versioning by appending
> increasing numbers to function names. But the real problem are not
> these functions, but public structs. Imagine a new API user fighting to
> guess which fields in AV
Hi
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 09:10:23AM -0400, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 3:01 AM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
[...]
> > IMHO it's reasonable to expect core APIs to be upwards-compatible and keep
> > deprecated interfaces around for another release or two.
>
> This is exactly wh
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:40:04PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
[snip]
>
> Are you missing anything from the GNOME Classic mode *)? It offers
> exactly what you are asking for, with zero need for configuration.
> It's available right next to the GNOME session on your login manager.
>
> Michael
>
On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 20:40:28 +0200
Reimar Döffinger wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Apologies for not being able to resist answering even if it is getting
> off-topic.
>
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 05:43:33PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 12:25:33AM -0700, Andrew Kelley wrote:
> > >
Am 11.08.2014 22:09, schrieb David Weinehall:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 01:47:53PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 07:42:41PM +0200, David Weinehall wrote:
>>> Available in GNOME 3.
>>>
>>> Available in GNOME 3.
>>>
>>> Not enabled by default (if I remember correctly), but
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 01:47:53PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 07:42:41PM +0200, David Weinehall wrote:
> > Available in GNOME 3.
> >
> > Available in GNOME 3.
> >
> > Not enabled by default (if I remember correctly), but possible to enable
> > using gnome-tweak-tool.
On 08/11/2014 09:45 PM, Johannes Schaffrath wrote:
On 08/11/2014 07:38 PM, David Weinehall wrote:
Summary:
* If you download you can pick the smallest option possible;
thus the default desktop is irrelevant -- people with plenty
of bandwidth will probably go with the default, but if you k
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 07:41:00PM +0100, Mirosław Baran wrote:
> Olav, would you mind to clarify in what capacity are you on this list?
> (Debian user? Debian maintainer? Debian developer? GNOME upstream
> developer?
> Systemd developer? Interested independent party? Something else
> altogether?)
On 08/11/2014 07:38 PM, David Weinehall wrote:
Summary:
* If you download you can pick the smallest option possible;
thus the default desktop is irrelevant -- people with plenty
of bandwidth will probably go with the default, but if you know
that your connectivity is expensive you'll go
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 06:12:02PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Olav Vitters (2014-08-11 11:21:14)
> > On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:10:50AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >> Quite a few places in the World have poor and/or expensive internet
> >> access. Larger default desktop will hu
Hello,
Apologies for not being able to resist answering even if it is getting
off-topic.
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 05:43:33PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 12:25:33AM -0700, Andrew Kelley wrote:
> >
> > High quality libraries must iterate on their API. Especially for a libr
Olav Vitters wrote:
My response specifically deals with this. Yes, nice if Debian
Developers
could keep the response. However, there is nothing in there about "must
not be dropped without good reason". If upstream removes support, so be
it. Then it is very nice if the support is patched back in
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On Lu, 11 aug 14, 19:38:47, David Weinehall wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 06:00:05PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > I do: I see a reason to netinst a 0.629xCD size desktop install rather
> > than a 0.829xCD size desktop when bandwidth is costly.
>
> Yes, but if you netinst you can *pick* y
How do you measure memory? Free?
Could you quite possibly post the output of free and whatever else you
measure with? (the full output)
For reference against jessie, i'm installing an up to date jessie right
now...
Thanks
Anthony (bofh80)
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 07:42:41PM +0200, David Weinehall wrote:
> Available in GNOME 3.
>
> Available in GNOME 3.
>
> Not enabled by default (if I remember correctly), but possible to enable
> using gnome-tweak-tool.
I shouldn't have to know that. And I am pretty sure when gnome3 appeared
in s
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 01:35:28PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> All I personally expect from a window manager is:
>
> Be able to launch programs (ideally using alt+F2)
Available in GNOME 3.
> Be able to resize the window using the edge of the window
Available in GNOME 3.
> Have a maximize/
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 06:00:05PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> I do: I see a reason to netinst a 0.629xCD size desktop install rather
> than a 0.829xCD size desktop when bandwidth is costly.
Yes, but if you netinst you can *pick* your desktop, it's not like you
have to pick the default. Do
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 05:34:04PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> You mean left vs. right side?
Or even showing them at all (certainly last time I bothered to look at
gnome 3 it seemed to think buttons on windows were mostly to be avoided).
> People who are so afraid of new stuff to learn that
On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 03:20 +0100, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
[...]
> If people have old CD only machines i would not like to attempt to get
> kernel 3.16 +drivers +userland working on that. I've been in that
> situation plenty of times, where woody or potato are better simply
> because the drivers
2014/08/12 1:12 "Jonas Smedegaard" :
>
> [...]
> Still you are talking about cost in time. Few I have met in developing
> countries were poor measured in time available.
> [...]
Developed country (Japan). My wife makes me scrimp on everything, so I
still have megabit/sec download. Fiber or 10 Mb/
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 06:28:51PM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> I don't know mythtv, but if it's just a digital video recorder, there's
> no significant risk ever needing security updates. A local, forked copy
> is problematic for a video player since someone may open a malformed video
> file,
Wookey schrieb:
> Unless we were to decide to make an exception re internal libraries
> (which seems unlikely in this case given the general discussion on
> security load), this package is not going to make it into Debian
> anytime soon, which from my POV is very sad - I had thought we were
> clos
Quoting Olav Vitters (2014-08-11 11:21:14)
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:10:50AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Quite a few places in the World have poor and/or expensive internet
>> access. Larger default desktop will hurt the most in developing
>> countries: non-techies gets discourages to u
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Quoting David Weinehall (2014-08-10 22:59:45)
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:10:50AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>
>> The issue here really is "how big is it?" rather than "hos many disks
>> [of which kind] does it fit onto?".
>>
>> "unable to fit on a single image" is not only about use of said
Hi,
Lennart Sorensen:
> it needs buttons on windows that people expect to see where they expect
> to see them
You mean left vs. right side?
> Would Debian be willing to make gnome3 have different defaults than
> upstream in the interest of actually being useable to new users who are
> used to o
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:15:15AM +0200, Thomas Weber wrote:
> Not sure why you'd want to go for third world countries, but let's look
> at Germany (Aldi is one of the two biggest discounters here):
> http://www.presseportal.de/pm/112096/2653870/aldi-senkt-preise-fuer-fischprodukte-oel-und-smoothi
+++ Wookey [2014-08-08 16:05 +0100]:
>
> My expertise here is extremely limited, but some practical experience
> shows that mythtv does at least basically work fine with libav.
It turns out that this is completely wrong (as hinted at in later
mails). I was mislead by info in bugreports.
The (pro
> Hello Dariusz and Andrey,
>
> I'd love to see a Profanity package for Debian. Are you, Dariusz, still
> working on it?
> I also would like to know, why would the OpenSSL requirement make it
> impossible to distribute the binary?
>
Yes,
I am currently working on profanity package. Libstroph
On Thu, 31 Jul 2014, Don Armstrong wrote:
> 11. The prospective libjpeg-turbo maintainer should propose an appropriate
Who *is/are* the maintainer(s), anyway?
There are packaging bugs being ignored, and there is an open
bug on a non-release architecture whose suggested workaround
(or possibly fi
On 2014-08-09 18:26:19 +0100, Kieran Kunhya wrote:
> We also use a fork specifically to work around very wasteful
> calculations in libswscale during 10-bit chroma conversion that
> involve multiplying a pixel by a 2^n value with 32-bit precision and
> then shifting that value down by n back to 16-
On Sat, Aug 09, 2014 at 04:02:45PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Well that's:
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754249
Ah that explains why it tries to get removed.
> Instead of trying to mix things up, you probably should be using the
> free driver. Until the proprietary one
Bill Allombert writes ("Bug#717076: [CTTE #717076] Default libjpeg
implementation in Debian"):
> I am concerned that the rationale for this decision contains misconceptions
> about the IJG JPEG library. Given the public nature of this announcement, I
> cannot completly ignore them.
This decision
at bottom :-
On 8/11/14, Thomas Weber wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 03:20:49AM +0100, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
>> Would the people who are claiming that blank cdr are cheaper than dvdr,
>> especially in third world countries, please cite sources (shops, price
>> checkers etc) of the price of
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014, at 12:23, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
Can we now move on to choosing a DE?
Nope, we still don't have enough anecdotic evidence and
trolling yet[1]...
O.
1. Not target at you, just general observation of d-d...
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On Mon, 11 Aug, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Thomas Weber
wrote:
Not sure why you'd want to go for third world countries, but let's
look
at Germany (Aldi is one of the two biggest discounters here):
http://www.presseportal.de/pm/112096/2653870/aldi-senkt-preise-fuer-fischprodukte-oel-und-smoothies
CD
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Hi,
pgadmin3 is maintained in the PostgreSQL team, but we aren't using the
package ourselves, so it is getting less love than ideally. We would
be glad if someone would step in for co-maintaining it. [*]
Currently there is a crash to be resolved, likely due to the
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 07:30:49PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> * Olav Vitters (o...@vitters.nl) [140808 19:12]:
> > [ support for init systems bedside systemd ]
>
> > There was also a question what should happen if *upstream* removes
> > support. That's not up to Debian Developers to patch back.
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 03:20:49AM +0100, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
> Would the people who are claiming that blank cdr are cheaper than dvdr,
> especially in third world countries, please cite sources (shops, price
> checkers etc) of the price of say 5 pack or 10 pack, even up to 50pack of
> CD's,
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Hey all,
tech-ctte bug was opened last July 2013. Bill you had a year to
provide an evidence or arguments why we should not switch
away from jpeg8. You have refused to take part in the discussion,
and yet now after the decision has been made, you come with
backhand arguments with no references...
Hi,
On Montag, 11. August 2014, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> dvswitch was also broken by the removal of support for downscaled
> decoding of DV video. I don't know whether that change is specific to
> libav or was also made in FFmpeg.
dvswitch is still broken and there is no dvswitch in jessie...
We
Hi,
Quoting Matthias Urlichs (2014-08-07 07:54:26)
> Also, "build profiles" are not explained anywhere in Policy (unless that's
> been added after 3.9.5), so how would I discover which values are allowed /
> make sense?
right. For the purpose of documenting the Package-List its usage for build
pr
On 2014-08-07
Jordi Mallach wrote:
> Hi Debian,
>
> It's been around 9 months since tasksel changed (for real) the default
> desktop for new installs. At the time of the change, it was mentioned
> the issue would be revisited before the freeze, around debconf time.
>
> Well, it's roughly that t
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