Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

On Tue, 2013-08-20 at 17:49 +0200, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: [...] > 2. How are we going to deal with > drivers for new hardware - upgrade the kernel to LTS+1's ? > > AFAIK Ubuntu does not add drivers for new hardware to any version save > for, maybe, some exceptional cases (th

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Re: overriding udev rules

On 08/20/2013 11:44 PM, Vincent Bernat wrote: > ❦ 20 août 2013 22:00 CEST, Thomas Goirand : > >>> I did not know that udev skipped (at least) persistent-net in virtual >>> machines so I did not try without those replacement rules (how does it >>> know it is a virtual machine?). >> >> Oh, missed

Re: Security support proposed workflow for the very-old-stable

On 08/20/2013 11:44 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:33:52PM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> My initial idea wasn't to never *impose* the extended security >> maintenance to all DDs. Instead, we could do it on a best-effort basis, >> collectively. Meaning that anyone willing to

Re: overriding udev rules

❦ 20 août 2013 22:00 CEST, Thomas Goirand  : >> I did not know that udev skipped (at least) persistent-net in virtual >> machines so I did not try without those replacement rules (how does it >> know it is a virtual machine?). > > Oh, missed that part! I also would be happy to know how it does it

Re: Security support proposed workflow for the very-old-stable (was: Dreamhost dumps Debian)

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:33:52PM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > My initial idea wasn't to never *impose* the extended security > maintenance to all DDs. Instead, we could do it on a best-effort basis, > collectively. Meaning that anyone willing to do security fixes for the > EOL distribution (one

Re: Bug#720202: ITP: qreator -- utility for creating QR codes

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Julien Cristau wrote: >> Since it seems there is already a qr generator in Debian (qrencode), I >> suppose >> qreator has some feature that are lacking in qrencode. Could you develop >> those? That would be especially useful in the long description so that a user

Fwd: Re: overriding udev rules

Ccing the list -- Message transféré -- De : "olivier sallou" Date : 20 août 2013 22:27 Objet : Re: overriding udev rules À : "Thomas Goirand" Le 20 août 2013 22:18, "Thomas Goirand" a écrit : > > On 08/20/2013 07:02 PM, olivier sallou wrote: > > I did not know that udev ski

Re: overriding udev rules

On 08/20/2013 07:02 PM, olivier sallou wrote: > I did not know that udev skipped (at least) persistent-net in virtual > machines so I did not try without those replacement rules (how does it > know it is a virtual machine?). Oh, missed that part! I also would be happy to know how it does it. Thom

Bug#720349: ITP: tcl-tdbc-sqlite3 -- Sqlite3 driver for package tdbc (Tcl Database Connectivity)

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Massimo Manghi * Package name: tcl-tdbc-sqlite3 Version : 1.0.0 Upstream Author : Kevin B. Kenny The Tcl Core Team * URL : http://tdbc.tcl.tk/ * License : (custom, BSD-like) Programming Lang: (C, T

Re: overriding udev rules

On 08/20/2013 07:02 PM, olivier sallou wrote: > ok, > I am packaging a package for OpenNebula that is to be installed on > virtual machine images. > It does many setup at startup. > Among other things, in upstream packages, it replaces 2 udev rules: > 75-cd-aliases-generator.rules and 75-persistent

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

Pau, am Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 05:49:57PM +0200 hast du folgendes geschrieben: > AFAIK Ubuntu does not add drivers for new hardware to any version save for, > maybe, some exceptional cases (that I cannot remember, frankly). they backport the xservers and kernels of current releases to the latest LT

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

+++ Ian Jackson [2013-08-20 16:05 +0100]: > The bigger problem for a Debian LTS is this: 1. who is going to do > security support for it ? Ideally it would be the people that want releases supported longer - e.g this dreamhost outfit, and presumably many organisations like them. Security suppor

Bug#720347: ITP: jaxb2-maven-plugin -- interlinking XML files with Java Objects from mojo.codehaus.org

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Steffen Moeller * Package name: jaxb2-maven-plugin Version : 1.5 * URL : http://mojo.codehaus.org/jaxb2-maven-plugin * License : Apache-2.0 Programming Lang: Java Description : interlinking XML files with Java Objec

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

Excerpts from Pau Garcia i Quiles's message of 2013-08-20 08:49:57 -0700: > > The bigger problem for a Debian LTS is this: 1. who is going to do > > security support for it ? > > > > The same people that maintain the packages in sid and stable: the > maintainer(s) for each package. For orphaned

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

On 08/20/2013 05:05 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: > The bigger problem for a Debian LTS is this: 1. who is going to do > security support for it ? My answer is: anyone who cares (and *not* necessarily the package maintainer) in a free-for-all way, with peer review if possible (not necessarily by the secu

Re: Security support proposed workflow for the very-old-stable (was: Dreamhost dumps Debian)

On 08/20/2013 05:17 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: >> E. g: >> - In January 2014 we release Debian 8.0. We make this an LTS release, >> meaning it would get updates for, say 3 years (until January 2017), and >> security updates for 5 years (until January 2019). >> - In February 2015 we release Debian 9.0.

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

Pau Garcia i Quiles writes: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: >> My experience is that I can just barely manage to convince upstreams to >> look over my backports of security patches to packages in oldstable > What makes you think Ubuntu, Red Hat, etc ask upstream to look a

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

On 08/20/2013 02:04 AM, Charles Plessy wrote: > However, one difficulty that was not mentionned in this thread is that if we > aim at both long term support and frequent releases, then we need to support > users skipping releases I don't see why. > or upgrading multiple releases in a row. Don't

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

On Tue, August 20, 2013 19:40, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 06:35:08PM +0200, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: >> IMHO that should be turned around: package maintainers should be the >> ones responsible for updates and the Security Team should help with that >> (e.g. by providing tips

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: > >> The same people that maintain the packages in sid and stable: the > >> maintainer(s) for each package. [...] > > > That is not the case. At the moment most of this is done by the > > Debian security team. Of course some package maintain

Re: Bug#720202: ITP: qreator -- utility for creating QR codes

On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 22:16:11 +0200, Thomas Preud'homme wrote: > Le lundi 19 août 2013 23:24:48 Chow Loong Jin a écrit : > > Package: wnpp > > Severity: wishlist > > Owner: Chow Loong Jin > > > > * Package name: qreator > > Version : 13.05.3 > > Upstream Author : David Planell

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

Ian Jackson writes: > Pau Garcia i Quiles writes ("Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian"): >> The same people that maintain the packages in sid and stable: the >> maintainer(s) for each package. [...] > That is not the case. At the moment most of this is done by the > Debian security team. Of course som

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 06:35:08PM +0200, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Ian Jackson < > ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > > > The bigger problem for a Debian LTS is this: 1. who is going to do > > > > security support for it ? > > > The same people that mai

Re: Bug#720336: ITP: ruby-puma -- Puma: A Ruby Web Server Built For Concurrency

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Shawn Landden wrote: > * URL : http://puma.ui/ That url redirects to the sporting clothes company. It seems you mean: http://puma.io/ -- Andrew Starr-Bochicchio Ubuntu Developer Debian Developer

Bug#720336: ITP: ruby-puma -- Puma: A Ruby Web Server Built For Concurrency

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Shawn Landden * Package name: ruby-puma Version : 2.5.1 Upstream Author : Engine Yard * URL : http://puma.ui/ * License : BSD Programming Lang: C, Ruby Description : Ruby Web Server Built For Concurrency Puma is

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

Quoting Pau Garcia i Quiles (pgqui...@elpauer.org): > > That is not the case. At the moment most of this is done by the > > Debian security team. Of course some package maintainers do help. > > > > > IMHO that should be turned around: package maintainers should be the ones > responsible for upda

Re: overriding udev rules

2013/8/20 olivier sallou > > > > 2013/8/20 Michael Biebl > >> Am 20.08.2013 10:39, schrieb olivier sallou: >> > hi, >> > I need for a package to override some udev standard rules. >> > >> > If I put an identical rule name in /etc/udev/rules.d, I know it >> overrides >> > the one in /lib/udev/rul

Re: overriding udev rules

2013/8/20 Michael Biebl > Am 20.08.2013 10:39, schrieb olivier sallou: > > hi, > > I need for a package to override some udev standard rules. > > > > If I put an identical rule name in /etc/udev/rules.d, I know it overrides > > the one in /lib/udev/rules.d > > > > > > However, lintian raises an e

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

Paul Wise writes: > We are already no longer supporting iceweasel in squeeze: > http://www.debian.org/security/2013/dsa-2735 > At one point we stopped supporting clamav in oldstable: > http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1497 > At one point there was an experiment to express the lack of s

Re: Bug#720327: ITP: esu -- It allows to copy files with different checksums on the fly.

Package name should be "ecp", sorry misspelled that. I fixed the README and improved some things. Thanks for your feedback! 2013/8/20 Lars Wirzenius > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 06:41:22PM +0400, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:21:05 -0400 > > Ryan Kavanagh wrote: > > > >

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Ian Jackson < ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > > The bigger problem for a Debian LTS is this: 1. who is going to do > > > security support for it ? > > > > The same people that maintain the packages in sid and stable: the > > maintainer(s) for each package

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

Pau Garcia i Quiles writes ("Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian"): > [Ian Jackson] > > The bigger problem for a Debian LTS is this: 1. who is going to do > > security support for it ? > > The same people that maintain the packages in sid and stable: the > maintainer(s) for each package. [...] That is not

Re: overriding udev rules

> olivier sallou writes: > > hi, > > I need for a package to override some udev standard rules. > > > > If I put an identical rule name in /etc/udev/rules.d, I know it overrides > > the one in /lib/udev/rules.d > > > > > > However, lintian raises an error if I put an udev rule in /etc instead of >

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

> The bigger problem for a Debian LTS is this: 1. who is going to do > security support for it ? The same people that maintain the packages in sid and stable: the maintainer(s) for each package. For orphaned packages, NMUs by other developers or even a new maintainer team ("foster-car...@debian.

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

Excerpts from Pau Garcia i Quiles's message of 2013-08-20 04:15:12 -0700: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:48:13PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: > > > > Russ already replied and I agree with its reply. Just to say that > > Debian > > > > u

Re: Bug#720327: ITP: esu -- It allows to copy files with different checksums on the fly.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 06:41:22PM +0400, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:21:05 -0400 > Ryan Kavanagh wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 03:33:06PM +0200, root wrote: > > > * Package name: esu > > > Description : It allows to copy files with different checksums >

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

Adam Borowski writes ("Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian"): > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 03:33:26PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I have done skip upgrades on multiple occasions. The fallout was > > always manageable. (The most recent one was etch->squeeze IIRC.) > > Why wouldn't you instead: > sed -i s/e

Re: Bug#720327: ITP: esu -- It allows to copy files with different checksums on the fly.

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:21:05 -0400 Ryan Kavanagh wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 03:33:06PM +0200, root wrote: > > * Package name: esu > > Description : It allows to copy files with different checksums > > on the fly. > > > > Basicly a replacement for cp with addit

Re: jessie release goal: verbose build logs

(Resending; first copy failed due to MIME non-8-bit-cleanliness damage.) Joey Hess writes ("Re: jessie release goal: verbose build logs"): > I've attached a simple proof of concept you can try it out with building > your own packages. For example: > >dpkg-buildpackage | ssh > > (The imp

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 03:33:26PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Charles Plessy writes ("Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian"): > > However, one difficulty that was not mentionned in this thread is that if we > > aim at both long term support and frequent releases, then we need to support > > users skipping r

Re: Bug#720327: ITP: esu -- It allows to copy files with different checksums on the fly.

The difference is that ecp generates the checksum on the fly, this means it is faster then rsync, rsync copy's first and compares the sum of the source and destination afterwards (4 operations). esu saves one operation by calculating the checksum during reading the file. to make it clearer: rsync

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

Charles Plessy writes ("Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian"): > However, one difficulty that was not mentionned in this thread is that if we > aim at both long term support and frequent releases, then we need to support > users skipping releases or upgrading multiple releases in a row. I have done skip up

Re: Bug#720327: ITP: esu -- It allows to copy files with different checksums on the fly.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 03:33:06PM +0200, root wrote: > * Package name: esu > Description : It allows to copy files with different checksums > on the fly. > > Basicly a replacement for cp with additional checksum on the fly > support. It allows MD5, SHA1, SHA224, SHA

Bug#720327: ITP: esu -- It allows to copy files with different checksums on the fly.

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Eun * Package name: esu Version : 1.01 Upstream Author : Eun * URL : https://github.com/Eun/ecp * License : GPLv3 Programming Lang: C Description : It allows to copy files with different checksums on the fly. Ba

Bug#720326: ITP: dualword-index -- Xapian index viewer...

X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package Name: dualword-index * Home page: http://dualword.org * License: GPLv3 * Description: Xapian index viewer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Tr

Re: overriding udev rules

On Aug 20, olivier sallou wrote: > This particular package is for use in virtual machines creation where > package removes default network persistence. Please explain what you are actually trying to achieve. > Is there an other way to override udev rules in package or should I simply > override

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

Paul Wise wrote: ... >At one point we stopped supporting clamav in oldstable: > >http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1497 ... That, at least, is unlikely to be repeated. Upstream does a much better job of maintaining a consistent API and ABI compatibility these days. Scott K -- To U

Re: arm laptops and d-i

On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:54:27AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > It took me way too much time to figure it out, and I'm not exactly a > Debian newbie (although no experience with laptops or arm bootloaders). Hi, I understand that, while it took you quite a bit of effort, you managed to run Debi

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:48:13PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: > > > Russ already replied and I agree with its reply. Just to say that > Debian > > > usually has a 3 year support. This is the kind of misguiding that I > > > usually hear

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

There are also a number of packages that have no support or limited support in squeeze/wheezy: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/secure-testing/data/package-tags?view=markup -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a s

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:48:13PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: > > Russ already replied and I agree with its reply. Just to say that Debian > > usually has a 3 year support. This is the kind of misguiding that I > > usually hear when people promotes Ubuntu over Debian. > I know already that this

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: > ...change anything about their model. However, as a Debian Developer, I > would be extremely uncomfortable about having tiers of security support > for our packages were we to try to duplicate something like LTS. We are already no longer su

Re: overriding udev rules

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:39:13AM +0200, olivier sallou wrote: > I need for a package to override some udev standard rules. Well. This would be not suitable for a package in Debian itself. > However, lintian raises an error if I put an udev rule in /etc instead of > /lib. lintian is moot for pr

Re: overriding udev rules

Am 20.08.2013 10:39, schrieb olivier sallou: > hi, > I need for a package to override some udev standard rules. > > If I put an identical rule name in /etc/udev/rules.d, I know it overrides > the one in /lib/udev/rules.d > > > However, lintian raises an error if I put an udev rule in /etc instea

Re: arm laptops and d-i

On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 01:07:35AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Adam Borowski (2013-08-14): > > I loathe laptops, and thus didn't own one. Needing one for DebConf (and > > this time no friend had a working one for me to borrow), instead of getting > > an used x86 one, I bought a $150 13.3" and

Re: overriding udev rules

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:39:13AM +0200, olivier sallou wrote: > hi, > I need for a package to override some udev standard rules. > > If I put an identical rule name in /etc/udev/rules.d, I know it overrides > the one in /lib/udev/rules.d > [...] > Is there an other way to override udev rules in

Re: overriding udev rules

olivier sallou writes: > hi, > I need for a package to override some udev standard rules. > > If I put an identical rule name in /etc/udev/rules.d, I know it overrides > the one in /lib/udev/rules.d > > > However, lintian raises an error if I put an udev rule in /etc instead of > /lib. > And if I

overriding udev rules

hi, I need for a package to override some udev standard rules. If I put an identical rule name in /etc/udev/rules.d, I know it overrides the one in /lib/udev/rules.d However, lintian raises an error if I put an udev rule in /etc instead of /lib. And if I try to put the file in /lib, it fails at

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 23:48 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: [...] > Plus, Ben Hutchings is putting together a plan to add support for > newer hardware in stable releases: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2013/08/msg00090.html > > Presumably, continuing to support newer hardware will improve the

Re: Bug#720294: ITP: puppet-module-puppetlabs-vswitch -- Puppet module for vSwitches

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 08:43:13AM +0200, Thomas Bechtold wrote: > Puppet lets you centrally manage every important aspect of your system > using a cross-platform specification language that manages all the > separate elements normally aggregated in different files, like users, > cron jobs, and

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

❦ 20 août 2013 02:04 CEST, Charles Plessy  : >> Just to say that Debian usually has a 3 year support. > > Hi Vincent, > > this actually misleading for systems that have a long lifetime, where the > turnover matters more, and in Debian it is 2 years. In some workplaces It > means that every secon