On 07/18/2013 05:11 AM, Uoti Urpala wrote:
> The move to systemd in Debian is not motivated by "Lennart's sales
> pitch".
Though supporters like Michael are relaying his sales pitch in order to
(try to) convince everyone.
Thomas
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:26:53 -0700, Steve Langasek
wrote:
>PulseAudio was sold to distros as the perfect solution for audio, and
>when it was shown that PA made demands on the kernel drivers that the
>drivers couldn't deliver on, Lennart's response was that it was the kernel
>drivers' problem to f
On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 06:35:17 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
>One of my friends is a KDE developer and he often complained about
>that. His words were usually "Why on earth are they (KUbuntu) shipping
>that already? It's not ready for production yet and we end up
>getting pointless bug rep
On 07/18/2013 06:54 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
I'd ask your friend why KDE is releasing stuff they don't want shipped then?
As I said. It was unfortunate that they tagged it stable. Yet, nearly
everyone who was a little involved into FOSS knew that KDE 4 simply
wasn't ready back then. It was in
On Thursday, July 18, 2013 06:35:17 AM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 07/18/2013 01:39 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > Kubuntu never shipped KDE 4.0 as it's default/primary desktop. In 8.04,
> > it
> > was KDE 3.5.9, IIRC, might have been .8. There were KDE 4.0 packages, but
> > no one got
On 07/18/2013 01:39 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
Kubuntu never shipped KDE 4.0 as it's default/primary desktop. In 8.04, it
was KDE 3.5.9, IIRC, might have been .8. There were KDE 4.0 packages, but no
one got them unless they installed them on purpose.
I'm not sure what you're getting at?
What
On 07/18/2013 01:00 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
They're both APIs that applications can use to produce audio. What do
you mean, it doesn't make sense?
Of course they're not the same thing; I get that. That's not what I'm
saying. But as far as "producing audio" is concerned, they can both do that.
On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 09:36:40 PM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 07/17/2013 09:26 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:58:49AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> >> I am sorry, but in my eyes, people who claim that PulseAudio is useless
> >> simply don't real
On 17-07-13 10:58, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 07/17/2013 10:48 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>> So have I, with alsa. Mainly because I've never had any problem with
>> alsa beyond "my hardware is shiny new and the driver hasn't been written
>> yet". Okay, and there was also this one time wh
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 01:26:34PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Though if we're going to talk about bugs, even though the kernel audio
> drivers have long since adapted to meet pulseaudio's requirements, PA itself
> still manages to turn up some doozies.
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+
Steve Langasek wrote:
> You misunderstand me. I'm not upset about anything - I'm merely pointing
> out that Lennart is an unreliable source where claims of
> production-readiness are concerned. Ubuntu may have fallen for his
> silver-tongued sales pitch back in 2007, but there's no reason Debian
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:55:16PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 07/17/2013 09:45 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> >That's Fedora, right, which adopted PulseAudio in 2007 and told the rest of
> >the world it was ready for production use?
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Feat
On 07/17/2013 09:45 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
That's Fedora, right, which adopted PulseAudio in 2007 and told the rest of
the world it was ready for production use?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeaturePulseaudio
No, Fedora cannot be counted as main stream. People who use Fedora
k
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:36:40PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 07/17/2013 09:26 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> >On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:58:49AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> >>I am sorry, but in my eyes, people who claim that PulseAudio is useless
> >>simply don't real
On 07/17/2013 09:26 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:58:49AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I am sorry, but in my eyes, people who claim that PulseAudio is useless
simply don't realize that there can be sound setups which are a little
more sophisticated than just a
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:58:49AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> I am sorry, but in my eyes, people who claim that PulseAudio is useless
> simply don't realize that there can be sound setups which are a little
> more sophisticated than just a single sound card and configuring
> these c
On Wednesday 17 July 2013 10:45 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> See configure.ac in your package:
>
> AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE([-Wall -Werror foreign])
>
> You probably want to remove -Werror and tell upstream that it's not so
> good an idea.
>
> That being said, the warnings at stake do produce a bug: %lx
* Steve Langasek:
>> Like?
>
> - Reliable, low-maintenance system startup (no races / ordering bugs)
> - Reliable service supervision
> - Fast startup
> - Sensible dynamic service management in response to post-boot events
> (network up/down, device add/remove, etc).
> - Simple, declarative synt
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Maarten Lankhorst
wrote:
> Op 17-07-13 11:20, Samuel Thibault schreef:
>> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz, le Wed 17 Jul 2013 11:13:37 +0200, a écrit :
>>> On 07/17/2013 11:09 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
That these setups exist is completely fine. That the additional
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 09:17:58AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 07/16/2013 02:19 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 04:18:17PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> >> If OpenRC goes up to the shape I expect, it will have a huge advantage
> >> over systemd and Upstart: it will not
On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 19:15:42 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Ritesh Raj Sarraf, le Wed 17 Jul 2013 22:38:51 +0530, a écrit :
> > I see a sudden surge of build failures against my latest upload of
> > packages[1]. From the build logs, it looks like all warnings are treated
> > as errors now.
> >
Ritesh Raj Sarraf, le Wed 17 Jul 2013 22:38:51 +0530, a écrit :
> I see a sudden surge of build failures against my latest upload of
> packages[1]. From the build logs, it looks like all warnings are treated
> as errors now.
>
> If that is the case, I would like to know how others are dealing with
I see a sudden surge of build failures against my latest upload of
packages[1]. From the build logs, it looks like all warnings are treated
as errors now.
If that is the case, I would like to know how others are dealing with
it? Fixing every build warning
[1] https://buildd.debian.org/status/
On 17 July 2013 17:04, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
> On 07/17/2013 05:38 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would not have posted if that had been the first time I found Joss'
>> advocacy offensive. It is, however, a repeated pattern.
>
>
> From which I would infer you shouldn't take it as a pe
On 07/17/2013 05:38 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
I would not have posted if that had been the first time I found Joss'
advocacy offensive. It is, however, a repeated pattern.
From which I would infer you shouldn't take it as a personal offense.
He usually has a point, even though he is exaggerating s
On 07/17/2013 05:40 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:58:49 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
Some sound cards expose two dozens or more
... usually underdocumented, if documented at all, ...
The Fedora people had a very nice screen shot of the ALSA mixer
back then which sa
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:20:19 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
>On 07/17/2013 09:24 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:09:20 +0200, Josselin Mouette
>> wrote:
>>> What I find rude is that a minority of idiots is taking the project
>>> hostage of their ridiculous demands, preven
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:58:49 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
>Some sound cards expose two dozens or more
... usually underdocumented, if documented at all, ...
>level adjustments which most
>people don't even understand. I don't think it's a bad idea in general
>to clean that up and make
On 07/17/2013 03:05 AM, Ondřej Surý wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Chris Bannister
wrote:
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:44:21AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
My most recent experience with PulseAudio came when I noticed
that WoW (run through Wine) was producing crackling, stuttering
soun
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 05:42:46AM -0700, Mark Symonds wrote:
>
> Broadcom is in serious need of a full-frontal attack.
>
> Everyone should check for them before buying hardware,
> And if you 'dmidecode | grep -i broadcom' gives or says anything,
> spend your money elsewhere.
>
> Or take it
Broadcom is in serious need of a full-frontal attack.
Everyone should check for them before buying hardware,
And if you 'dmidecode | grep -i broadcom' gives or says anything,
spend your money elsewhere.
Or take it back to the store - and tell them why.
(Proprietary, crap Broadcom chips)
On 2013-07-15, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> When the SONAME increments the associated binary library package has a new
> name,
> so the SONAME suffix has to increment as well accordingly: for a library
> package
> lambda, the binary library package could be renamed from liblambda0 to
> liblambda1.
>
On 2013-07-17, Holger Levsen wrote:
> same with bluetooth
>=20
> I don't use bluetooth, I don't want the bluetooth stack installed but yet I=
> do=20
> see how this is a sensible thing to install with the default desktop. Same=
>=20
> with PA I'd say.
especially both of them. They're needed when
Op 17-07-13 11:20, Samuel Thibault schreef:
> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz, le Wed 17 Jul 2013 11:13:37 +0200, a écrit :
>> On 07/17/2013 11:09 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>>> That these setups exist is completely fine. That the additional
>>> PulseAudio layer is being imposed even on systems that have
Holger Levsen, le Wed 17 Jul 2013 12:04:24 +0200, a écrit :
> On Mittwoch, 17. Juli 2013, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> [PA]
> > It's getting pulled through various packages.
>
> same with bluetooth
>
> > > If you don't like it, uninstall it.
> > It becomes more and more difficult to do it.
>
> same
Hi,
On Mittwoch, 17. Juli 2013, Samuel Thibault wrote:
[PA]
> It's getting pulled through various packages.
same with bluetooth
> > If you don't like it, uninstall it.
> It becomes more and more difficult to do it.
same with bluetooth
I don't use bluetooth, I don't want the bluetooth stack in
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz, le Wed 17 Jul 2013 11:13:37 +0200, a écrit :
> On 07/17/2013 11:09 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> >That these setups exist is completely fine. That the additional
> >PulseAudio layer is being imposed even on systems that have a single
> >sound card, is not.
>
> Unless your
On 07/17/2013 11:09 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
That these setups exist is completely fine. That the additional
PulseAudio layer is being imposed even on systems that have a single
sound card, is not.
Unless your PC was made in 1995, I am pretty sure it has one of these
"advanced" setups. Second
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz, le Wed 17 Jul 2013 10:58:49 +0200, a écrit :
> I am sorry, but in my eyes, people who claim that PulseAudio is useless
> simply don't realize that there can be sound setups which are a little
> more sophisticated than just a single sound card and configuring
> these can b
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes:
> I am sorry, but in my eyes, people who claim that PulseAudio is useless
> simply don't realize that there can be sound setups which are a little
> more sophisticated than just a single sound card and configuring
> these can be PITA when you don't have PA.
Simpl
On Jul 16, Steve Langasek wrote:
> This reflects poorly on the infrastructure in question. Handling /etc as a
> separate filesystem from /, aside from not being a feature anyone else
> has asked for and not being a requirement for reducing deltas with upstreams
> / other distros, implies that th
On 07/17/2013 10:48 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
So have I, with alsa. Mainly because I've never had any problem with
alsa beyond "my hardware is shiny new and the driver hasn't been written
yet". Okay, and there was also this one time where I wanted to figure
out how you enable analog 5.1 surround
On 17-07-13 10:24, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> PA also has excellent support on their IRC channels. I have been
> able to solve any problem I had with it so far and in all
> cases it turned out to be a user error.
So have I, with alsa. Mainly because I've never had any problem with
alsa bey
On 07/17/2013 09:24 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:09:20 +0200, Josselin Mouette
wrote:
What I find rude is that a minority of idiots is taking the project
hostage of their ridiculous demands, preventing a quick switch to a
decent init systems, for reasons that are anything but te
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On 07/17/2013 09:26 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
Where are the end-user docs that explain the concept?
Was that a troll question? Just use your favorite
search engine.
> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/
> http://freedesktop.org/software/pulseaudio/doxygen/
PA also h
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:43:32 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
>Some older versions prior 1.0.x were broken or had exposed bugs in ALSA
>drivers which needed to be fixed. These days, however, PulseAudio is
>rock-stable.
>
>It usually breaks only for people who tinker too much with it witho
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:09:20 +0200, Josselin Mouette
wrote:
>What I find rude is that a minority of idiots is taking the project
>hostage of their ridiculous demands, preventing a quick switch to a
>decent init systems, for reasons that are anything but technical.
Once more, I find your wording u
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:44:21AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> > My most recent experience with PulseAudio came when I noticed that WoW
> > (run through Wine) was producing crackling, stuttering sound again; this
> > was during the late m
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