Re: Depends: libfoo:foreign ???

2013-05-08 Thread Niels Thykier
On 2013-05-09 07:56, Paul Wise wrote: > On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Andreas Beckmann wrote: > >> I just noticed that we have the first amd64 package in the archive that >> has dependencies on :i386 qualified libraries: >> >> Package: teamspeak-client > > It appears that will block it from rea

Re: DPA instead of PPA

2013-05-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 08 May 2013, Holger Levsen wrote: > I actually really like this idea! (Though I suggest "Debian Personal > Archive".) > > It's really different from what people know as PPAs. To be fair, "Personal" is probably not relevant either. I expect many of those repositories to be maintained

Re: wheezy postmortem re rc bugfixing

2013-05-08 Thread Niels Thykier
On 2013-05-09 00:48, anarcat wrote: > [...] > In fact, I am of the opinion that we should relax the requirements that > the release team systematically review every diff posted during the > freeze, especially if the freeze is going to last almost a year... That > always seemed to me to be an insane

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/08/2013 06:30 PM, Peter Samuelson wrote: > # in unstable > Package: bar > Build-Depends: libfoo-dev (>= 1.5) > > The 'bar' maintainer intended to require the unstable version of > libfoo-dev, but in fact the dependency is satisfied from stable as > well. Yeah! And this mistake is

Re: Depends: libfoo:foreign ???

2013-05-08 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Andreas Beckmann wrote: > I just noticed that we have the first amd64 package in the archive that > has dependencies on :i386 qualified libraries: > > Package: teamspeak-client It appears that will block it from reaching testing: http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/te

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Bastian Blank writes: > On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 05:30:11AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: >> One real problem is that epochs make it easier to introduce human >> error in specifying reverse runtime and build deps. E.g.: >> # in stable >> Package: libfoo-dev >> Version: 1:1.4.1-1 >>

Depends: libfoo:foreign ???

2013-05-08 Thread Andreas Beckmann
Hi, I just noticed that we have the first amd64 package in the archive that has dependencies on :i386 qualified libraries: Package: teamspeak-client Version: 2.0.32-4 Installed-Size: 14360 Maintainer: Debian QA Group Architecture: amd64 Depends: libc6-i386 (>= 2.1.3), libice6:i386 (>= 1:1.0.0),

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 03:43 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On May 08, Marc Haber wrote: > > > How would that be done for a 200 MB filesystem holding /, no extra > > /boot partition, and a multi-gigabyte /usr beyond the 2T barrier? > Let's assume that at this point there are no files in /{bin,sbin,l

Re: Debian 7

2013-05-08 Thread musicdev
Wheezy user here!! The best Debian thus far! Will not trust my machine to any other! On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Shyamal Prasad wrote: > > > "Darac" == Darac Marjal writes: > > Darac> On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 01:49:56AM +1030, Mikael Livchenko > wrote: > >> > >> http://www.

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 08, Marc Haber wrote: > How would that be done for a 200 MB filesystem holding /, no extra > /boot partition, and a multi-gigabyte /usr beyond the 2T barrier? Let's assume that at this point there are no files in /{bin,sbin,lib} which have the same name of a file in /usr/{bin,sbin,lib} bu

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 08, Marc Haber wrote: > If we force a much bigger /, the chance of a broken / filesystem > increases. If / is fine, one has a chance to fix the system without > booting to rescue. So, a small / both decreases the probability of a > boot failure and makes fixing breakage easier. > > If we

Re: Debian 7

2013-05-08 Thread Shyamal Prasad
> "Darac" == Darac Marjal writes: Darac> On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 01:49:56AM +1030, Mikael Livchenko wrote: >> >> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual >> >> "Debian wheezy -- Installation Guide" >> >> What is Debian wheezy? I only downloaded 'Debi

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 00:42 +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 11:13:59PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 06:14:36PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > > > On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 09:49:03PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > > > > As mentioned some months ago [0],

Re: wheezy postmortem re rc bugfixing

2013-05-08 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, May 08, 2013 at 06:48:01PM -0400, anarcat a écrit : > > In fact, I am of the opinion that we should relax the requirements that > the release team systematically review every diff posted during the > freeze, especially if the freeze is going to last almost a year... That > always seemed to

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-08 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 17:53 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > There's nothing stopping you filing a release critical bug > against any package that does this. I do it whenever I notice > something doing that. Obviously :) The thing is just... we need a way (at least at a social level) to prevent this from

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 11:13:59PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 06:14:36PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > > On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 09:49:03PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > > > As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default > > > compressor from gz

Re: wheezy postmortem re rc bugfixing

2013-05-08 Thread anarcat
How about a "slush"? A few projects have this period where changes are not completely forbidden, but slightly restricted. For example, we could have a period where new upstream releases (yes, with huge diffstats) would be accepted if they fix a RC bug. In fact, I am of the opinion that we should

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-08 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Joey Hess , 2013-05-08, 17:53: (Last I checked, flashplugin-nonfree verified the integrity of its downloads in a secure way.) Last I checked, flashplugin-nonfree was unauditable. It downloaded a script from people.d.o and the ran it. We may never know what the script did. -- Jakub Wilk

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Michael Biebl , 2013-05-08, 23:39: Why would adding an epoch cause the need for adding the epoch in the build-dependent packages ? Because otherwise these build-dependent packages will not bring the version they actually need? You know, what build-dependencies are for. I know what build-de

Re: Current and upcoming toolchain changes for jessie

2013-05-08 Thread Florian Weimer
* Roger Leigh: > On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 08:08:31AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: >> * Roger Leigh: >> >> > On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 03:25:29PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: >> >> The decision when to make GCC 4.8 the default for other architectures >> >> is left to the Debian port maintainers. >> >

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-08 Thread Joey Hess
Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > 2) No more packages that bypass the package management system and secure > apt: > a) There are still several (typically non-free) packages which download > stuff from the web, install or at least un-tar it somwhere without > checking any integrity information that

Bug#707302: ITP: ejs.js -- Embedded JavaScript templates (Node.js / Client)

2013-05-08 Thread Mike Gabriel
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mike Gabriel * Package name: ejs.js Version : 0.8.4 Upstream Author : TJ Holowaychuk * URL : https://github.com/visionmedia/ejs * License : MIT Programming Lang: Javascript Description : Embedded JavaScript templ

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 08.05.2013 19:33, schrieb Bart Martens: > On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 10:16:28AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: >> Le mercredi 08 mai 2013 à 05:04 +, Bart Martens a écrit : >>> Michael Biebl wrote : The usage of really (...) that you don't have to fix all r-deps to include the the epo

Bug#707297: ITP: node-readdirp -- Recursive version of Node.js's fs.readdir

2013-05-08 Thread Mike Gabriel
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mike Gabriel * Package name: node-readdirp Version : 0.2.4 Upstream Author : Thorsten Lorenz * URL : https://github.com/thlorenz/readdirp * License : MIT Programming Lang: Javascript Description : Recursive versi

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 06:14:36PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 09:49:03PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > > As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default > > compressor from gzip to xz, as there seemed to be consensus that was > > the way to go, a

Re: Debian 7

2013-05-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 07:19:09PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 04:56:00PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > > Wheezy. It's obvious, isn't it? It comes between Squeeze and Jessie. > > > > > > Wheezy is a brand. > [...] > > No, it really isn't. Everything on the front page of

Re: /export (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread Arno Töll
Hi, On 08.05.2013 10:11, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mercredi 08 mai 2013 à 11:59 +0400, Игорь Пашев a écrit : >> I proposed exactly an opposite thing for databases :-) >> >> If do not like /usr/home, you might not like to have your data under >> /var/lib ;-) > > The FHS has the perfect place f

Re: Debian 7

2013-05-08 Thread Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez
On 08/05/13 17:19, Mikael Livchenko wrote: > also, why still using mailing list? this is the 2013. Mailing list is like > living in 1993. spam bots love mail-list. mozilla bugzilla system is good > chat system. the user e-mail address is hidden, and there is the login > system. no one wants hund

idea: generalized soft dependencies

2013-05-08 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
Somewhat crazy idea, but let's see. --- The problem --- Subjectiveness of Recommends. Debian policy declares Recommends as "strong but not absolute" dependency. Maintainers have different subjective opinions of what belongs to Recommends/Depends/Suggests. Some put a lot of extra

Re: Debian 7

2013-05-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 04:56:00PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 01:49:56AM +1030, Mikael Livchenko wrote: > >Debian developers have allot to learn > > > >still in 2013 the documentation is flawed from the very first line. > > > >http://www.debian.org/releases/s

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 8 May 2013 17:32:13 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: >On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 12:19:25PM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: >> Fedora updates are different. (And so are Ubuntu updates, if one considers >> that it's possible to provide fixup scripts to update-manager pre-upgrade.) >> As long as we're su

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 8 May 2013 01:06:41 +0200, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote: >On May 07, Marc Haber wrote: >> >What about merging / and /usr ? >> So we really want to explicitly not offer an upgade path from wheezy >> to jessie? >This causes no major issues on upgrades, Fedora did it. How would that be

Re: New version of libselinux makes libpcre3 pseudo-essential

2013-05-08 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 8 May 2013 11:56:15 +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: >Please re-read the policy, especially 2.5: >| Packages must not depend on packages with lower priority values >| (excluding build-time dependencies). IIRC that policy paragraph is from the times where our CD build software didn't follow dep

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Bart Martens
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 10:16:28AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mercredi 08 mai 2013 à 05:04 +, Bart Martens a écrit : > > Michael Biebl wrote : > > > The usage of really (...) that you don't have to fix all r-deps to include > > > the the epoch in the Build-Depends. > > > > Why would

DPA instead of PPA

2013-05-08 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Dienstag, 7. Mai 2013, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > > I think you may have misunderstood the Debian PPA proposal. It will > > not be like the Ubuntu PPA system where anyone can upload a package to > Call it DPA then? > Debianprojectmember Personal Archive I actually really like this idea! (Tho

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 05:32:13PM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 12:19:25PM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: > > Fedora updates are different. (And so are Ubuntu updates, if one considers > > that it's possible to provide fixup scripts to update-manager pre-upgrade.) > > As long a

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 08 May 2013, Michael Banck wrote: > > Do you plan to switch the default compression for source packages to xz > > as well? > > You mean for debian.tar? This and "3.0 (native)" source packages. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog ◈ Debian Developer Get the Debian Administrator's Handbook: → http

Re: wheezy postmortem re rc bugfixing

2013-05-08 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Neil Williams wrote: > (We have this now in the PTS for WNPP issues, an extension to "RC bugs > in dependencies" could also be really useful.) Thanks for the idea, I'll pursue implementing this with QA infrastructure folks. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/P

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Joey Hess
Raphael Hertzog wrote: > I agree that we have such a consensus. Not for packages installed by debootstrap. > There was a time where d-i was not ready, but nowadays udeb are compressed > with xz and busybox's xz is used in that context. That's not relevant. -- see shy jo signature.asc Descrip

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Bastian Blank
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 09:49:03PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default > compressor from gzip to xz, as there seemed to be consensus that was > the way to go, and given the amount of already manually switched > packages, or packagi

Re: Bug#565308: Will we see MariaDB in Jessie?

2013-05-08 Thread Clint Byrum
On 2013-05-08 06:42, anarcat wrote: On 2013-05-06 13:17:47, Patrick Matthäi wrote: But why should it _replace_ MySQL, why not providing it as an alternative MySQL'ish server? As others mentionned: Oracle. More precisely, because Oracle has a rather rude security policy of not divulging security

Re: wheezy postmortem re rc bugfixing

2013-05-08 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 8 May 2013 16:51:14 +0100 Ian Jackson wrote: > So I would like to suggest that we should have a thread where we: I suspect a wiki page will be needed at some point... > * Try to identify the main ways in which bugs can be "hard" (which >might be technical, political, or a mixture)

Debian 7 review

2013-05-08 Thread Mikael Livchenko
I think Debian 7 is better than ubuntu 12. if debian can make documents like ubuntu, ubuntu will end. great job on Debian 7 it has made my night well! thanks!

Re: Debian 7

2013-05-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Mikael Livchenko, le Thu 09 May 2013 01:49:56 +1030, a écrit : > no one wants hundreds of e-mail's in inbox. I do want that instead of hundreds of bugzillas to have to subscribe to and browse one by one. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 05:32:13PM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > So really what does it take to e.g. move /bin and stuff to /usr? Did > anyone try that? Where is that documented? What problems did occur? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove -- WBR, wRAR -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to deb

Bug#707256: ITP: txsocksx -- SOCKS{4,4a,5} endpoints for Twisted

2013-05-08 Thread Jérémy Bobbio
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jérémy Bobbio * Package name: txsocksx Version : 0.0.2 Upstream Author : Arturo Filastò * URL : https://github.com/hellais/txsocksx * License : BSD-2-clause Programming Lang: Python Description : SOCKS{4,4a,5} en

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Tollef Fog Heen , 2013-05-08, 17:55: ~ (tilde) with it's magic negative sort order, does work however: 0~20130215 0~something is pretty magic and sometimes confuses tools, though, since it's a positive version number that's less than zero. Define "positive version number". We have hu

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Michael Banck
Hi, On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 11:17:39AM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > On 05/07/2013 21:49, Guillem Jover wrote: > > As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default > > compressor from gzip to xz, as there seemed to be consensus that was > > the way to go, and given the

Re: Debian 7

2013-05-08 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 01:49:56AM +1030, Mikael Livchenko wrote: >Debian developers have allot to learn > >still in 2013 the documentation is flawed from the very first line. > >http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual > >"Debian wheezy -- Installation Guide" > >

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Philip Hands > ~ (tilde) with it's magic negative sort order, does work however: > > 0~20130215 0~something is pretty magic and sometimes confuses tools, though, since it's a positive version number that's less than zero. (I know the import stuff in Launchpad got confused back in the da

wheezy postmortem re rc bugfixing

2013-05-08 Thread Ian Jackson
It is good to have it released now, but I think we are all (mostly?) agreed that wheezy took longer to release than we would have liked. In particular, the RC bug count didn't drop "quickly enough". Firstly, I want to say that I don't think this was anyone's fault. So I don't want to lay any blam

Bug#707255: ITP: parsley -- pattern-matching language based on OMeta and Python

2013-05-08 Thread Jérémy Bobbio
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jérémy Bobbio * Package name: parsley Version : 1.1 Upstream Author : Allen Short * URL : https://launchpad.net/parsley * License : Expat Programming Lang: Python Description : pattern-matching language based on

Debian 7

2013-05-08 Thread Mikael Livchenko
Debian developers have allot to learn still in 2013 the documentation is flawed from the very first line. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual "Debian wheezy -- Installation Guide" What is Debian wheezy? I only downloaded 'Debian 7'. wheezy is a nick name? where is it defined fro

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 12:19:25PM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: > Fedora updates are different. (And so are Ubuntu updates, if one considers > that it's possible to provide fixup scripts to update-manager pre-upgrade.) > As long as we're supporting upgrades through plain apt, that's going to > be har

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Philip Hands
Hi Wookey, Wookey writes: > +++ Jonathan Nieder [2013-05-07 16:14 -0700]: > >> It makes sense for Debian, too. Epochs were invented to handle >> changes to the version numbering *scheme*. They work well for that. > > This is true. It would be good advice somewhere to sugest that if > using a da

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 08, The Wanderer wrote: > The "emergency tools" side of it I'm less clear on. It's relatively apt-get install grml-rescueboot Which is way safer than relying on / working. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Wookey
+++ Jonathan Nieder [2013-05-07 16:14 -0700]: > It makes sense for Debian, too. Epochs were invented to handle > changes to the version numbering *scheme*. They work well for that. This is true. It would be good advice somewhere to sugest that if using a date-based packaging scheme, to prefix i

Re: Bug#565308: Will we see MariaDB in Jessie?

2013-05-08 Thread anarcat
On 2013-05-06 13:17:47, Patrick Matthäi wrote: > But why should it _replace_ MySQL, why not providing it as an > alternative MySQL'ish server? As others mentionned: Oracle. More precisely, because Oracle has a rather rude security policy of not divulging security issues directly and publishing a w

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 09:12:12AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > The question, expressed in a number of different ways to provide a type > of "clarity by triangulation", is: Why does /usr exist in the first > place? Why was it created, way back in the day? What is its purpose, > what is it for? Hist

Re: kann sich jemand erklären warum beide Festplatten auf dem selben Sector einen Fehler haben?

2013-05-08 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! Ich glaube, du hast dich in der Mailingliste vertan, debian-devel ist für die (englischsprachige) Diskussion zur Entwicklung der Debian-Distribution. Die Frage kannst du besser unter http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/ stellen, oder in einem Forum. Viel Erfolg! MfG Matthias @list: I

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread The Wanderer
On 05/07/2013 11:41 AM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 05:36:41PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On May 07, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: No please. We are good about making sure they each mean something important, and there's no good reason. Not really nowadays: more and more thin

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 11:08:21AM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 11:55:48AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > wget -q -O- http://angband.pl/tmp/foo%3Abar > > : > > -- should be %3A ! > > > > And serving .deb files via http isn't exactly a fringe use case... > > URL encoding

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Guillem Jover
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 12:38:47 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: > On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 09:49:03PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > > If there's people who are still worried about that, I'd ask them to > > file bugs on the base packages to make them pass -Zgz explicitly to > > dpkg-deb (I'll do that for d

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Bastian Blank
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 05:13:25PM -0500, Matt Zagrabelny wrote: > Use the mechanism of "really": > % apt-cache policy libglib2.0-dev > libglib2.0-dev: > Installed: 2.33.12+really2.32.4-5 > Candidate: 2.33.12+really2.32.4-5 So is this a 2.33.12 or 2.32.4? Sorry, this is neither readable nor do

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 12:03:13 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 11:17:39AM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > On 05/07/2013 21:49, Guillem Jover wrote: > > > As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default > > > compressor from gzip to xz, as ther

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 05:30:11AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: > One real problem is that epochs make it easier to introduce human > error in specifying reverse runtime and build deps. E.g.: > # in stable > Package: libfoo-dev > Version: 1:1.4.1-1 > # in unstable > Package: l

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-08 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Goswin von Brederlow , 2013-05-08, 11:53: We already know we can't trust all maintainers to build binaries in a clean chroot. Nor can we trust them to test binaries they upload. What makes you think maintainers will not simply blindly create changes files for buildd build binaries and upload

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Philipp Kern
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 09:49:03PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > If there's people who are still worried about that, I'd ask them to > file bugs on the base packages to make them pass -Zgz explicitly to > dpkg-deb (I'll do that for dpkg.deb in any case), and I can wait for > the base system to be s

Re: New version of libselinux makes libpcre3 pseudo-essential

2013-05-08 Thread Игорь Пашев
2013/5/8 Bastian Blank : > On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 07:49:37PM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote: >> Does it matter? If libselinux depends on libpcre3, libpcre3 will be pulled. >> I believed all libraries are "optional". > > Please re-read the policy, especially 2.5: > | Packages must not depend on packages

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Alberto Garcia] > I was unaware of this thing and I'm sure I'm overlooking something, > so can someone give a simple example of actual problems introduced by > using epochs? One real problem is that epochs make it easier to introduce human error in specifying reverse runtime and build deps. E.g

Re: /export (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread Philipp Kern
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 10:18:25PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > I always rm -rf /media after a fresh install, where T F did that > come from. Funny you say that, given that the canonical reference document we use even provides an explanation for why it was created. If you'd said /srv, I'd sort

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
On Sun, May 05, 2013 at 12:18:44AM +0100, Wookey wrote: > The harder question is how/when to do that QA. The time to do QA is now and always. Otherwise it just collects and becomes too much. > I resisted making the > suggestion of doing it by default on all builds as that seemed a step > too far,

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Alberto Garcia
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 05:22:25PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: > [Matt Zagrabelny] > > I've grepped the d-d list, but didn't find any threads regarding > > fixing epochs in package versions. > > This does come up occasionally. I was unaware of this thing and I'm sure I'm overlooking something,

Setting up vs triggers

2013-05-08 Thread Игорь Пашев
=== BEFORE = $ sudo apt-get install dbus Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Suggested packages: dbus-x11 The following NEW packages will be installed: dbus 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgrade

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread Philipp Kern
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 01:06:41AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On May 07, Marc Haber wrote: > > >What about merging / and /usr ? > > So we really want to explicitly not offer an upgade path from wheezy > > to jessie? > This causes no major issues on upgrades, Fedora did it. Fedora updates are di

kann sich jemand erklären warum beide Festplatten auf dem selben Sector einen Fehler haben?

2013-05-08 Thread Mailbox
Hallo Debian Freunde, kann sich jemand erklären was genau "lost interrupt (Status 0x50)" bedeutet bzw. wo ich mich schlau lesen kann im Internet steht viel aber eine Erklärung was die einzelnen Logmeldungen überhaupt bedeuten habe ich nicht gefunden. Nun meine Fragen evtl. kann jemand diese

Re: New version of libselinux makes libpcre3 pseudo-essential

2013-05-08 Thread Bastian Blank
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 07:49:37PM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote: > Does it matter? If libselinux depends on libpcre3, libpcre3 will be pulled. > I believed all libraries are "optional". Please re-read the policy, especially 2.5: | Packages must not depend on packages with lower priority values | (excl

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 11:55:48AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > A test case (in a directory you can see via http://angband.pl/tmp/): > for x in : %3A %3a; do echo "$x" >"foo${x}bar";done > echo ok >baz%3Aquux > > Let's try to access a file with % : > wget -q -O- http://angband.pl/tmp/foo%3Abar >

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 07:11:35PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * Holger Levsen [130502 12:28]: > > > People do this all the time: upload packages built against local packages, > > > experimental or even on Ubuntu to Debian sid. > > > > /me shivers. This hurts. There is no reason not to rebui

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 11:17:39AM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > Hi, > > On 05/07/2013 21:49, Guillem Jover wrote: > > As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default > > compressor from gzip to xz, as there seemed to be consensus that was > > the way to go, and given

Re: Switching packages to non-awaiting triggers

2013-05-08 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Raphael Hertzog , 2013-05-08, 10:37: python-support (will go away anyway) #629154 (don't pay attention to the current bug subject) -- Jakub Wilk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org A

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-08 Thread Stephen Kitt
On Wed, 8 May 2013 03:57:20 +0100, Wookey wrote: > +++ Wookey [2013-05-07 22:31 +0100]: > > [right. 3rd attempt at getting this email to make sense. reposting the > whole thing this time, hopefully with no remaining howlers] > > +++ Stephen Kitt [2013-05-07 14:38 +0200]: > > Hi Wookey, > > > >

Re: Current and upcoming toolchain changes for jessie

2013-05-08 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 08:08:31AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Roger Leigh: > > > On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 03:25:29PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > >> The decision when to make GCC 4.8 the default for other architectures > >> is left to the Debian port maintainers. > > > > This makes using C+

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 10:28:54AM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 08:26:13AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > > Kurt Roeckx roeckx.be> writes: > > > > > > Not sure what a clean way of escaping the colon would be. > > > > > > apt already saves it with %3a in /var/cache/apt/

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 04:38:40PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le vendredi 03 mai 2013 à 09:18 +0800, Chow Loong Jin a écrit : > > While we're at it, can we also have source-only uploads? Uploading > > potentially > > huge binary packages that just go to /dev/null seems like a pointless wast

Re: Switching packages to non-awaiting triggers

2013-05-08 Thread Julien Cristau
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:37:00 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > python-support (will go away anyway) Seems fairly unlikely that it will, actually, with 758 reverse build deps in sid as far as I can tell. Cheers, Julien signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 08:26:13AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Kurt Roeckx roeckx.be> writes: > > > > Not sure what a clean way of escaping the colon would be. > > > > apt already saves it with %3a in /var/cache/apt/archives/ > > %2a IIRC… but I consider this a bug personally and think apt

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 05/07/2013 21:49, Guillem Jover wrote: > As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default > compressor from gzip to xz, as there seemed to be consensus that was > the way to go, and given the amount of already manually switched > packages, or packaging helpers. :/ >

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 8 May 2013 01:46, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 07 May 2013, Guillem Jover wrote: >> As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default >> compressor from gzip to xz, as there seemed to be consensus that was >> the way to go, and given the amount of already man

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/08/2013 11:27 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 09:46:02AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> What I think should be fixed is the fact that it doesn't >> appear in the filename. I never understood why they >> don't. Did I miss something? > Having a colon in CD/DVD images is like

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 07 May 2013, Guillem Jover wrote: > As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default > compressor from gzip to xz, as there seemed to be consensus that was > the way to go, and given the amount of already manually switched > packages, or packaging helpers. :/ [

Re: Switching packages to non-awaiting triggers

2013-05-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Guillem, On Tue, 07 May 2013, Guillem Jover wrote: > Examples of this are man pages (#707129) or info documents (#707133), > others could be menu, desktop or dictionary triggers, but that depends > on how the triggering packages make use of them. I'd be glad if people > who know any package reg

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-08 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 7 May 2013 05:38, Stephen Kitt wrote: > Hi Wookey, > > On Tue, 7 May 2013 03:04:50 +0100, Wookey wrote: >> (just a decision to leave arch-independent headers in /usr/include and >> move arch-dependent headers to /usr/include/triplet). > > Doesn't this limit us to cross-compiling only across De

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 08 mai 2013 à 08:23 +, Thorsten Glaser a écrit : > Now imagine the following: > > • foo 1.0-1 uploaded > • bar 1.0-1 uploaded, depends on foo-dev (>= 1.0) > • foo 1.1-1 uploaded > • bar 1.1-1 uploaded, depends on foo-dev (>= 1.1) > • foo 1.1-1really1.0-1 uploaded > > That’s a mas

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Kurt Roeckx roeckx.be> writes: > > Not sure what a clean way of escaping the colon would be. > > apt already saves it with %3a in /var/cache/apt/archives/ %2a IIRC… but I consider this a bug personally and think apt should construct the filenames for the cache the same way the original official

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Bart Martens debian.org> writes: > Michael Biebl wrote : > > The usage of really (...) that you don't have to fix all r-deps to include > > the the epoch in the Build-Depends. > > Why would adding an epoch cause the need for adding the epoch in the > build-dependent packages ? Interestingly eno

Re: /export (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread Игорь Пашев
2013/5/8 Andrey Rahmatullin : > On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 03:51:33PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> How about moving /etc into /home? How about moving /home >> into /usr? > Note that / was moved to /usr and /usr to /home just for HDD size reasons > [1]. > > [1]: http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/bu

Re: /export (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread Игорь Пашев
2013/5/8 Josselin Mouette : > The FHS has the perfect place for such data: /srv. I agree we should > move the data there, but there is no reason to invent a new place. Yeah. /export was my typo ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe"

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 08 mai 2013 à 05:04 +, Bart Martens a écrit : > Michael Biebl wrote : > > The usage of really (...) that you don't have to fix all r-deps to include > > the the epoch in the Build-Depends. > > Why would adding an epoch cause the need for adding the epoch in the > build-dependent p

Re: /export (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 03:51:33PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > How about moving /etc into /home? How about moving /home > into /usr? Note that / was moved to /usr and /usr to /home just for HDD size reasons [1]. [1]: http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html -- WBR

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