Re: Mandatory -dbg packages

2012-10-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Philip Ashmore wrote: > While this feature allows gdb to know the correct source locations, using it > implies that packages requiring the feature contain incorrect source paths - > wouldn't it be better for these packages to contain correct source paths in > the f

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages

2012-10-28 Thread Philip Ashmore
On 28/10/12 16:09, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 08:03:25AM +, Philip Ashmore wrote: Having the sources installed in /usr/src and referenced there rather than /buildd would be an improvement too. That's why there is the 'substitute-path' feature in gdb to fix that. Also se

Re: Bug#690142: marked as done (remote named DoS on recursor (CVE-2012-5166))

2012-10-28 Thread Matthew Grant
Hi THere! Just trying to avoid people wasting effort on bind9 NMU work. I am working with LaMont Jones on an update for wheezy to bind9 9.8.4, rebased on the ISC 9.8.4 code, which will definitely close #690569, #690142, and may be #689755. (The rest of the Important bugs appear to be with old ve

Re: [PROPOSAL v2] Orphaning another maintainer's packages

2012-10-28 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 03:07:16 Russ Allbery wrote: > Andrew Starr-Bochicchio writes: > > It's not that too many people are making mistakes. It's that too many > > people don't take any action out of fear of making the mistake in the > > first place. That's why we need a well defined process (or to a

Re: [SUMMARY/PROPOSAL] Orphaning another maintainer's packages - delay for maintainer to react

2012-10-28 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 00:21:41 Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 10/27/2012 04:47 AM, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: > > For example if package is not maintained for years we can certainly wait > > for a month or two before orphaning even though there may be no need to > > wait that long. > > This unfortunately can

Towards d-i wheezy beta 4

2012-10-28 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Hi folks, sorry, I hadn't found time yet to let you know about the prospective plans for beta 4. I also haven't found time to read most of the last ~ 200 mails on -boot@ but baring regressions in beta 3 (privext handling for netcfg/NM comes to mind, which got worked around already), I'm tempted to

Re: [PROPOSAL v2] Orphaning another maintainer's packages

2012-10-28 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 11:36:15AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > --->8 > 4. When/if consensus has been reached, or if no objections have been raised, >the package can be orphaned by retitling and reassigning the ITO bug >accordingly. Here are some example si

Re: [SUMMARY/PROPOSAL] Orphaning another maintainer's packages

2012-10-28 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 06:24:24PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Similarly, Steve: can you comment on the criticism of "voting" on > > packages, why don't you see it as a problem? […] > *I am not proposing a new process*. This was the process that was > used for *years* via debian-qa. But, ev

Re: [PROPOSAL v2] Orphaning another maintainer's packages

2012-10-28 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: >>> If, as Bart has found, such mistakes are quite rare, then why worry so >>> much? We don't need new formal processes for rarely occurring social >>> problems. We need more people willing to help those that make social >>> mistakes to learn

Re: Candidates for removal from testing (results)

2012-10-28 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:37:38PM +0200, Niels Thykier wrote: > ax25-apps, fabric, firmware-crystalhd, icewm-themes, ilisp, inguma, > lustre, mingw-ocaml, noflushd, openvas-plugins-dfsg, php-crypt-gpg, > phpgacl, python-django-piston, smbind, sorl-thumbnail, spatialite-gui, > sugar-chat-activity-0

Re: Bug#691624: ITP: dput-ng -- next generation Debian package upload tool

2012-10-28 Thread Philipp Kern
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 02:40:53PM +0100, Arno Töll wrote: > Yes, I know it still lacks code name aliases, but that's something we > are aware of. Also, the user prompting interface is not very clean yet :) Please make sure that it can be overridden on the commandline, thanks. Kind regards Philip

Re: Bug#691624: ITP: dput-ng -- next generation Debian package upload tool

2012-10-28 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > If not, why are you claiming to replace their code? It's fine to be > writing "something else" to replace older code; but it's fairly rude to > be claiming that whatever you're writing is the "next generation" of > that older code Any rewr

Re: Bug#691624: ITP: dput-ng -- next generation Debian package upload tool

2012-10-28 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 05:25:20PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 11:15:47AM +0100, Arno Töll wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On 28.10.2012 08:03, Philipp Kern wrote: > > > I'd prefer if such a tool could replace an existing one. Why not aim at > > > replacing dput if there's a rea

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages

2012-10-28 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Ben Hutchings [121028 17:02]: > There are plenty of bugs that involve 'undefined behaviour' that in > practice depends on whether optimisation is enabled. Unless you have a > good idea what's going wrong, how do you know that 'noopt' won't hide > the bug? If the bug still shows up with the lib

Re: Bug#691624: ITP: dput-ng -- next generation Debian package upload tool

2012-10-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 11:15:47AM +0100, Arno Töll wrote: > Hi, > > On 28.10.2012 08:03, Philipp Kern wrote: > > I'd prefer if such a tool could replace an existing one. Why not aim at > > replacing dput if there's a reason for it? > > As for us, we'd welcome that. However, that's primarily left

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages

2012-10-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 08:03:25AM +, Philip Ashmore wrote: > Having the sources installed in /usr/src and referenced there rather > than /buildd would be an improvement too. That's why there is the 'substitute-path' feature in gdb to fix that. Also see http://grep.be/blog/en/computer/code/gdb

Re: [PROPOSAL v2] Orphaning another maintainer's packages

2012-10-28 Thread Russ Allbery
Andrew Starr-Bochicchio writes: > Michael Gilbert wrote: >> If, as Bart has found, such mistakes are quite rare, then why worry so >> much? We don't need new formal processes for rarely occurring social >> problems. We need more people willing to help those that make social >> mistakes to lear

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages

2012-10-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2012-10-28 at 11:35 +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * Philip Ashmore [121028 09:12]: > > Yeah, in (cough)Fedora, kdbg even offers to download and install > > debug packages for you. > > Debug packages also make back-traces more than useless, and > > (cough)Ubuntu offers to download debug

Re: [PROPOSAL v2] Orphaning another maintainer's packages

2012-10-28 Thread Andrew Starr-Bochicchio
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Michael Gilbert wrote: > On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Charles Plessy wrote: >>> maybe we could simply allow anyone, including non-DDs, to submit O-bugs for >>> packages which seem abandoned by the maintainer, and to submit ITA-bugs for >>> packages he/she wish

Re: Bug#691624: ITP: dput-ng -- next generation Debian package upload tool

2012-10-28 Thread Arno Töll
Hi, On 28.10.2012 14:15, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > On 28.10.2012 13:06, Arno Töll wrote: >> On 28.10.2012 13:57, Florian Weimer wrote: >>> Does it prevent uploading security updates to the main archive by >>> default? >> >> Adam, with his Release Team hat on, suggested us to prevent this for >> t-p

Re: [SUMMARY/PROPOSAL] Orphaning another maintainer's packages - delay for maintainer to react

2012-10-28 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 10/27/2012 04:47 AM, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: For example if package is not maintained for years we can certainly wait for a month or two before orphaning even though there may be no need to wait that long. This unfortunately cannot be set as a rule. Sometimes, a package that was left unmaintain

Re: Bug#691624: ITP: dput-ng -- next generation Debian package upload tool

2012-10-28 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On 28.10.2012 13:06, Arno Töll wrote: On 28.10.2012 13:57, Florian Weimer wrote: Does it prevent uploading security updates to the main archive by default? Adam, with his Release Team hat on, suggested us to prevent this for t-p-u likewise. I think it was p-u, but more as a grumble about an

Re: Bug#691624: ITP: dput-ng -- next generation Debian package upload tool

2012-10-28 Thread Arno Töll
Hi, On 28.10.2012 13:57, Florian Weimer wrote: > Does it prevent uploading security updates to the main archive by > default? Adam, with his Release Team hat on, suggested us to prevent this for t-p-u likewise. We have the infrastructure and possibilities to implement a check like this, and it is

Re: Bug#691624: ITP: dput-ng -- next generation Debian package upload tool

2012-10-28 Thread Florian Weimer
* Arno Töll: > dput-ng features many enhancements over dput, such as more > comprehensive checks, an easy to use plugin system, and code > designed to handle the numerous archives that any Debian package > hacker will interact with. Does it prevent uploading security updates to the main archive b

Re: discrepancy: rc_policy.txt and policy

2012-10-28 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On 28.10.2012 07:17, Osamu Aoki wrote: Policy states "In addition, the packages in main must not require or recommend a package outside of main for compilation or execution (thus, the package must not declare a "Pre-Depends", "Depends", "Recommends", "Build-Depends", or "Build-Depends-Indep" r

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages

2012-10-28 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Philip Ashmore [121028 09:12]: > Yeah, in (cough)Fedora, kdbg even offers to download and install > debug packages for you. > Debug packages also make back-traces more than useless, and > (cough)Ubuntu offers to download debug packages which it installs > and re-examines the back-trace to see if

Re: Bug#691624: ITP: dput-ng -- next generation Debian package upload tool

2012-10-28 Thread Arno Töll
Hi, On 28.10.2012 08:03, Philipp Kern wrote: > I'd prefer if such a tool could replace an existing one. Why not aim at > replacing dput if there's a reason for it? As for us, we'd welcome that. However, that's primarily left to the current dput maintainer and his interest in that. Also note, we k

Re: suggestion

2012-10-28 Thread Samuel Thibault
Paul Wise, le Sun 28 Oct 2012 11:34:33 +0800, a écrit : > On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > When somebody implements it. > > Someone already did: > > ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/unstable/win32-loader.txt Wubi is not only about installing from windows,

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages

2012-10-28 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Philip Ashmore writes: > Debug packages also make back-traces more than useless, and They also allow systemtap to probe userland binaries once http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=691167 is fixed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages

2012-10-28 Thread Philip Ashmore
On 27/10/12 19:30, Michael Biebl wrote: On 27.10.2012 12:25, Vincent Bernat wrote: Hi! Libraries with `-dbg` package are a pain to deal with when debugging some problem. The solution to ask each user to rebuild the library without stripping debug symbols[1] seem suboptimal. Asking each maintain

discrepancy: rc_policy.txt and policy

2012-10-28 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, I am a bit confused on discrepancy between policy and "Release Critical Issues for Wheezy". http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-main http://release.debian.org/wheezy/rc_policy.txt Is this discrepancy of requirements for main on "Recommends:" intended one or some ty

Re: [PROPOSAL v2] Orphaning another maintainer's packages

2012-10-28 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Lucas Nussbaum (lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net): > I think I agree with everybody, so here is a new version of the last step of > the proposed procedure: I read the "huge thread" quickly during last days and I think your text well summarizes what seems to be the best consensus. That's great w

Re: Bug#691624: ITP: dput-ng -- next generation Debian package upload tool

2012-10-28 Thread Philipp Kern
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