Re: Inconsistency between mime-support, shared-mime-info and file for PHP files media types.

2012-08-31 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 07:37:17PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : > > There was a previous discussion on debian-devel about this, during which I > posted a scetch of an implementation strategy for converting the XDG MIME > files to the mailcap syntax. Someone else then fleshed out that script a >

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-31 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 09/01/12 04:06, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 08:28:27PM +0300, Serge wrote: >> It's often someone says something similar about many ITPs. I believe noone >> should say things like that, unless he wants to scare everybody away and >> have Debian forgotten and dead. S

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-31 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 09/01/2012 04:06 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > There should be at least some compelling technical arguments for > OpenRC. There are, and they have been listed already. It goes from a more manageable code (for some parts, the same feature as in systemd, but with a code that is 5 times s

Re: Inconsistency between mime-support, shared-mime-info and file for PHP files media types.

2012-08-31 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy writes: > Le Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:48:01AM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : >> That's the reason why people are pursuing generating the metamail-style >> database *from* the XDG MIME specification so that we can use a richer >> specification in as many places as possible but fall ba

Re: Inconsistency between mime-support, shared-mime-info and file for PHP files media types.

2012-08-31 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:48:01AM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : > > That's the reason why people are pursuing generating the metamail-style > database *from* the XDG MIME specification so that we can use a richer > specification in as many places as possible but fall back on the previous > standa

Re: Bug#686357: ITP: python-network -- python module for easy networking

2012-08-31 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Bas Wijnen writes: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Bas Wijnen > > * Package name: python-network > Version : 0.1 > Upstream Author : Bas Wijnen > * URL : https://github.com/wijnen/python-network > * License : AGPL-3+ > Programming Lang: Python

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-31 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 08:28:27PM +0300, Serge wrote: > > It's often someone says something similar about many ITPs. I believe noone > should say things like that, unless he wants to scare everybody away and > have Debian forgotten and dead. Saying that you not only reduce the number > of bugs in

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-31 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/31/2012 03:50 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: > That means there is someone who will pester other maintainers to “fix” > their init scripts so that they work with another half-baked init > implementation. > Ah... And that will not happen with systemd? Come on, we all know that we will have to

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-31 Thread Serge
2012/8/28 Ben Hutchings wrote: >> It should not be that hard to fit them all. >> >> All connections I can think of belong to one of two categories: >> 1. Permanent connections. Those are "setup-and-forget" connections. >> Typical for servers and wired desktops. Can be managed with ifupdown. >> 2.

Re: Bug#683666: RFH: gradle -- Groovy based build system

2012-08-31 Thread Damien Raude-Morvan
Le jeudi 02 août 2012 18:26:44, Miguel Landaeta a écrit : > I request assistance with maintaining the gradle package. JFTR, I had a private discussion with Miguel and we will co-maintain Gradle. I'm working on new upstream release (which, sadly, won't work for Wheezy because of needed dependenci

Re: [b-d][falla] acl2

2012-08-31 Thread Julien Cristau
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 15:23:53 -0400, Camm Maguire wrote: > Greetings! > > Stephen Gran writes: > > > Why not add logging to the Makefile, or cat debian/mini-proveall.out or > > something? This doesn't look like a dead end to me. > > > > Thanks so much for your suggestion! Can uploads inst

Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

2012-08-31 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/31/2012 11:52 PM, Peter Samuelson wrote: > I guess I can understand that you want your /usr to be resizeable Not only this. I want it on a RAID10 or RAID5 which goes faster than my / that is hosted in a slower RAID1. > but > really, life is so much simpler when you just go ahead and create

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-31 Thread Serge
2012/8/30 Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> How do you suppose it's possible to undo arbitrary network >> configuration done by arbitrary set of tools when there's no central >> place to hold such information (and can't possibly be)? > > Actually, the kernel holds that information. Any tool can just query

Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

2012-08-31 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/31/2012 11:04 PM, Jon Dowland wrote: > I'm struggling to understand this. In the situation you outline (/ ok, > /usr, /var, /tmp, swap on another RAID which is hosed) -- whatever service > the machine was offering is surely not being offered anymore (/ being too > small to be useful for anyth

Bug#686380: ITP: asn1c -- ASN.1 compiler for C

2012-08-31 Thread Eugene Seliverstov
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Eugene Seliverstov * Package name: asn1c Version : 0.9.21 Upstream Author : Lev Walkin * URL : http://asn1c.sourceforge.net * License : BSD Programming Lang: C Description : ASN.1 compiler for C This ASN.1 compi

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-31 Thread Serge
2012/8/31 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > The init system is a critical part of the operating system, so we > shouldn't be messing around with it. Focus on the best solution, > period. It's often someone says something similar about many ITPs. I believe noone should say things like that, unles

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-31 Thread Serge
2012/8/31 Josselin Mouette wrote: >>> Because being able to choose between alternatives for core features >>> such as the init system only brings more bugs and no added value. >> >> Sorry, I don't understand this point. >> >> If it's about just adding more bugs without bringing anything good >> wi

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-31 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2012-08-31 at 09:56 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le jeudi 30 août 2012 à 22:19 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit : > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:44:11AM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote: > > > How do you suppose it's possible to undo arbitrary network > > > configuration done by arbitrary set

Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

2012-08-31 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Thomas Goirand] > Typically, I have / on 2 small RAID1 partitions making the array on the > first > 2 HDD (1 or 2 gigs), and /usr on a LVM on a much, much larger RAID array > (I use mostly software RAID1 and RAID10, but in some cases, much bigger > hardware RAID5). So yes, that's my usual server

Bug#686357: ITP: python-network -- python module for easy networking

2012-08-31 Thread Bas Wijnen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Bas Wijnen * Package name: python-network Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Bas Wijnen * URL : https://github.com/wijnen/python-network * License : AGPL-3+ Programming Lang: Python Description : python module for e

Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

2012-08-31 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 10:57:10PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 08/31/2012 06:55 PM, Riku Voipio wrote: > > How is that different from having a botched / or /boot ? Why do you > > think having a separate /usr will make / less prone to HD crashes? > > You have / on RAID5 while /usr isn't? > >

Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

2012-08-31 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/31/2012 06:55 PM, Riku Voipio wrote: > How is that different from having a botched / or /boot ? Why do you > think having a separate /usr will make / less prone to HD crashes? > You have / on RAID5 while /usr isn't? > Typically, I have / on 2 small RAID1 partitions making the array on the

Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

2012-08-31 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 31, Thomas Goirand wrote: > If I need to have /usr mounted before init starts, then I'm more > or less dead, and I'll have to get a recovery CD / USB. If this is a concern to you, you can install the grml-rescueboot package and/or a similar on-disk rescue image which will provide you wit

Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

2012-08-31 Thread Riku Voipio
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 05:39:14PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 08/31/2012 03:39 AM, Steve Langasek wrote: > > - /usr on a separate filesystem without the use of an initramfs: not > >supported... and no discernable user demand for this. > Well, let's say I have a big crash, and I want to

Re: About the media types text/x-php and text/x-php-source

2012-08-31 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-08-28 18:03:02 +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > On Tue, 2012-08-28 at 15:37 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > > Then if there is a charset parameter, with a value that refers to > > > some known text character set, I think that one can assume that > > > the contents are encoded with thi

Re: [php-maint] Bug#670945: Bug#670945: Bug#670945: About the media types text/x-php and text/x-php-source

2012-08-31 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Thu, 2012-08-30 at 00:16 +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > RewriteCond "%{REQUEST_FILENAME}" !-f > RewriteCond "%{REQUEST_FILENAME}" !-d > RewriteRule "^(.*)$" "$1.php" [last] Tried them out in the meantime. Seem to work as expected. Cheers, CHris. smime.p7s Description:

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-31 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On Aug 31, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote: > One good init system can answer all our needs, while four bad ones will > certainly not. I fully agree. The init system is a critical part of the operating system, so we shouldn't be messing around with it. Focus on the best solution, peri

Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

2012-08-31 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On Aug 31, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 08/31/2012 11:39 AM, Serge wrote: >> Many (most?) major successes in IT history were about inventing a good >> standard communication interface to do things. IBM PC was successful >> because it could be assembled from standard easily access

Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

2012-08-31 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Thomas Goirand writes: > If I need to have /usr mounted before init starts, then I'm more > or less dead, and I'll have to get a recovery CD / USB. Not completely. Just boot with break=premount and read /etc/lvm from the initramfs shell. I've done this several times. The cool part is that you can

Bug#686339: ITP: python-wherigo -- python module for creating a wherigo player

2012-08-31 Thread Bas Wijnen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Bas Wijnen * Package name: python-wherigo Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Bas Wijnen * URL : https://github.com/wijnen/python-wherigo * License : AGPL-3+ Programming Lang: Python Description : python module for c

Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

2012-08-31 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/31/2012 03:39 AM, Steve Langasek wrote: > It only requires us to ensure /usr is mounted before > init is started. > Which I don't think is a good idea. > - /usr on a separate filesystem without the use of an initramfs: not >supported... and no discernable user demand for this. >

Re: Discussion of uscan enhancement 1 (Was: uscan enhancement take 3: script hook)

2012-08-31 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-08-31 at 03:38am, Nicolas Boulenguez wrote: > (apologizes for the previous empty mail) > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:44:34PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 02:32:56AM +0200, Nicolas Boulenguez wrote: > > > > Assume that "a" and "b" are directories, if I understand

Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

2012-08-31 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/31/2012 11:39 AM, Serge wrote: > Many (most?) major successes in IT history were about inventing a good > standard communication interface to do things. IBM PC was successful > because it could be assembled from standard easily accessible components, > and was easy to upgrade by just replacin

Bug#686334: ITP: php-yubico -- PHP PEAR module for verifying Yubico YubiKey One-Time Passwords

2012-08-31 Thread Klas Lindfors
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Klas Lindfors * Package name: php-yubico Version : 2.4 Upstream Author : Yubico Open Source Maintainers * URL : http://code.google.com/p/php-yubico/ * License : BSD-2-clause Programming Lang: PHP Description : PH

Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

2012-08-31 Thread Simon McVittie
On 31/08/12 04:39, Serge wrote: > thus it reduces flexibility, breaking use cases, that were working before. Please name them. "The ability to mount my /usr requires user interaction via a UI in /usr" doesn't count, because it has never worked, and is logically impossible. > For example if filesy

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 31 août 2012 à 04:18 +0300, Serge a écrit : > 2012/8/10 Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Because being able to choose between alternatives for core features such > > as the init system only brings more bugs and no added value. > > Sorry, I don't understand this point. > > If it's about ju

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 30 août 2012 à 22:19 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit : > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:44:11AM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote: > > How do you suppose it's possible to undo arbitrary network > > configuration done by arbitrary set of tools when there's no central > > place to hold such informatio