Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 18 iul 12, 21:32:31, Wookey wrote: > > > > One of the reasons I'm using network-manager instead of wicd or even > > plain ifupdown is the possibility to switch (more or less) seamlessly > > between wired and wifi. > > wicd does this just fine too. In the past I've had problems with wic

Bug#682044: ITP: pyskein -- Python extension implementing the Skein cryptographic hash

2012-07-18 Thread Jason Gerard DeRose
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jason Gerard DeRose * Package name: pyskein Version : 0.7.1 Upstream Author : Hagen Fürstenau * URL : http://packages.python.org/pyskein/ * License : GPL Programming Lang:C, Python Description : Python extension

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-18 21:32:31 +0100, Wookey wrote: > +++ Andrei POPESCU [2012-07-18 20:56 +0300]: > > One of the reasons I'm using network-manager instead of wicd or even > > plain ifupdown is the possibility to switch (more or less) seamlessly > > between wired and wifi. > > wicd does this just fine t

Re: duplicates in the archive

2012-07-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: duplicates in the archive"): > Josselin Mouette writes ("Re: duplicates in the archive"): > > Le mardi 10 juillet 2012 à 17:38 +0900, Miles Bader a écrit : > > > What's wrong with Recommends: in that case? It seems to perfectly > > > match the "makes life easier for > >

Re: duplicates in the archive

2012-07-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Josselin Mouette writes ("Re: duplicates in the archive"): > Le mardi 10 juillet 2012 à 17:38 +0900, Miles Bader a écrit : > > What's wrong with Recommends: in that case? It seems to perfectly > > match the "makes life easier for > XXX>" scenario you describe. > > Recommends is wrong for metapa

Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-18 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > Thank you, but I would appreciate if debian-devel-announce would > stay dedicated to important announcements which may be useful for a > wide range of developers. Because developers can override CTTE decisions, it's important for the CTTE to advertise

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when...

2012-07-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Michael Biebl writes: > Why are people not a aware of that update-rc.d interface? Is this a > general documentation problem? | windlord:~> update-rc.d | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing | update-rc.d: error: not enough arguments | usage: update-rc.d [-n] [-f] remove |

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when...

2012-07-18 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Miércoles, 18 de julio de 2012 21:46:05 Michael Biebl wrote: > On 18.07.2012 22:32, Wookey wrote: > > wicd is easy to disable as it has a ENABLE/DISABLE option in > > /etc/defaults. N-M doesn't so you either have to remove it properly or > > resort to nobbling the init script. > > Nope, you don

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when...

2012-07-18 Thread Michael Biebl
On 18.07.2012 22:54, Matt Zagrabelny wrote: >> Why are people not a aware of that update-rc.d interface? Is this a >> general documentation problem? > > I've been under the impression that future upgrades to the package > would re-enable the symlinks whereas /etc/default is not touched by > upgra

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when...

2012-07-18 Thread Matt Zagrabelny
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: > On 18.07.2012 22:32, Wookey wrote: > >> wicd is easy to disable as it has a ENABLE/DISABLE option in >> /etc/defaults. N-M doesn't so you either have to remove it properly or >> resort to nobbling the init script. > > Nope, you don't have to

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when...

2012-07-18 Thread Michael Biebl
On 18.07.2012 22:32, Wookey wrote: > wicd is easy to disable as it has a ENABLE/DISABLE option in > /etc/defaults. N-M doesn't so you either have to remove it properly or > resort to nobbling the init script. Nope, you don't have to "nobble" the init script. Use "update-rc.d network-manager disa

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Wookey
+++ Andrei POPESCU [2012-07-18 20:56 +0300]: > On Mi, 18 iul 12, 15:01:43, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > > A different idea would be to have NM configured by default to do what it can > > do well (wifi) and stay away from all other interfaces, but because it has > > thorough assumptions that it contr

Re: debian-cd BoF at DebConf

2012-07-18 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 17:19:40 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > CD sizing problems > == > There has been much discussion about switching packages over to using > xz compression instead of gzip by default, including Hideki Yamane's > excellent session "Let's shrink Debian package

Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonas Smedegaard writes: > I believe the reason for targeting -announce as well was the initial > part about a more general principle, preserved in my quoting above, > which IMO does relate to all Debian developers in general. Well, more generally, I think we should announce all formal decisions

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 18 iul 12, 15:01:43, Adam Borowski wrote: > > A different idea would be to have NM configured by default to do what it can > do well (wifi) and stay away from all other interfaces, but because it has > thorough assumptions that it controls all of networking in the system, this > is not a ch

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when...

2012-07-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Adam Borowski writes: > wicd is used only on machines that use wifi, this excludes most > desktops. wicd works fine with wired networks (although yes, I personally wouldn't install it and would just use ifupdown for systems that have a simple wired network). -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when...

2012-07-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Jon Dowland writes: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 03:31:37PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: >> Still, the check would be useful on laptops where wicd is installed and >> enabled (the user could have a default ifupdown config and wicd >> enabled). > What happens if neither wicd nor network-manager are

Re: Bug#681944: ITP: libregexp-debugger-perl -- Perl module providing interactive run-time visualizations of regular expressions

2012-07-18 Thread Salvatore Bonaccorso
Hi Jonas On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 05:26:19PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > On 12-07-18 at 07:49am, Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote: > > Description : Perl module providing interactive run-time > > visualizations of regular expressions > > Short description is quite long. Yes, I should improv

debian-cd BoF at DebConf

2012-07-18 Thread Steve McIntyre
[ Please note the cross-post and Reply-To ] Hi folks, Here's a summary of what we discussed in the debian-cd BoF [1] last week (9th July). Thanks to the awesome efforts of the DebConf video team, the video of the session is already online [2] in case you missed it. I've also attached the Gobby no

Bug#682002: ITP: pybloomfiltermmap -- A Bloom filter (bloomfilter) for Python built on mmap

2012-07-18 Thread Luciano Bello
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Luciano Bello * Package name: pybloomfiltermmap Version : 0.3.2 Upstream Author : Michael Axiak, Rob Stacey * URL : http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pybloomfiltermmap/ * License : MIT Programming Lang: C, Python Descriptio

Re: Bug#681944: ITP: libregexp-debugger-perl -- Perl module providing interactive run-time visualizations of regular expressions

2012-07-18 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-07-18 at 07:49am, Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote: > Description : Perl module providing interactive run-time visualizations > of regular expressions Short description is quite long. > Regexp::Debuger is a module that helps tame unruly regexes by providing live ^^^ Looks l

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 03:31:37PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > Still, the check would be useful on laptops where wicd is installed > and enabled (the user could have a default ifupdown config and wicd > enabled). What happens if neither wicd nor network-manager are installed, and then both are

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Philipp Kern
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 03:01:43PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > wicd is used only on machines that use wifi, this excludes most desktops. wicd can also be used to "manage" different Ethernet configurations. Kind regards Philipp Kern signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-18 15:01:43 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 02:18:12PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > Sorry for being late in the discussion. I also think that having > > NetworkManager disabled for those who do not want to use it is > > a good solution. But I think that if othe

Re: solving the network-manager-in-gnome problem (was Re: Re: duplicates in the archive)

2012-07-18 Thread Fabian Greffrath
Recommends is wrong for metapackages because it gets upgrades very wrong. This is why it is used very marginally. Couldn't this get fixed if Depends: network-manager-gnome (>= 0.9.4) was replaced with Recommends: network-manager-gnome Breaks: network-manager-gnome (<< 0.9.4) -- To UNSUBS

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 02:18:12PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2012-07-14 22:59:35 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > Due to those drawbacks, I've wondered why people don't just disable > > NetworkManager on their system instead of bothering with workarounds > > like the above or dpkg -P --fo

Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-14 22:59:35 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > Due to those drawbacks, I've wondered why people don't just disable > NetworkManager on their system instead of bothering with workarounds > like the above or dpkg -P --force-depends and similar. Sorry for being late in the discussion. I also

Re: solving the network-manager-in-gnome problem

2012-07-18 Thread Wookey
+++ Ian Jackson [2012-07-13 23:48 +0100]: > Adam Borowski writes ("Re: Recommends for metapackages"): > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 09:32:19PM -0600, Philipp Kern wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 07:21:00PM +0100, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: > > > > Installing N-M breaks unrelated software. > >

Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-18 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-07-17 at 08:07pm, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > On 2012-07-12 14:59, Don Armstrong wrote: > >=== Resolution === > >The Technical Committee reaffirms the importance of preventing namespace > >collisions for programs in the distribution, while recognizing that > >compatibility with upstreams and wi

Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-18 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 08:07:15PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > Thank you, but I would appreciate if debian-devel-announce would > stay dedicated to important announcements which may be useful for a > wide range of developers. tech-ctte resolutions do fit that bill. The tech-ctte is the highes