Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-24 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 02:22:24AM +0300, Serge wrote: > What's a temporary file? Really, why would applications temporarily store > its data in a file? They do that to *free some memory*. Placing those files > back to memory renders the whole process of writing the file useless. > If the files are

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-24 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/25/2012 11:08 AM, Serge wrote: > I wasn't able to watch a web presentation (from something like > vimeo/youtube), because there was not enough free space in /tmp for flash > player to download and show it. Also mc was not able to open archives > On the server side, you can add that MySQL

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-24 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 25 May 2012, Serge wrote: > Actually I can't think of any > software, creating a lot of small-only files in /tmp. That's a reasonable summary of what "tar" does on my system. :-# -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Bloghttp://doc.coker.com.au/ -- To UN

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-24 Thread Serge
2012/5/25 Miles Bader: > I can't say whether it's a good default or not (though it seems to > work pretty well in practice) It dosn't always work in practice. Among the problems I faced myself... I wasn't able to watch a web presentation (from something like vimeo/youtube), because there was not

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-24 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 25 May 2012, Serge wrote: > Q: /tmp on tmpfs increases apps performance. > A: What apps? Real apps don't write files during performance-critical >operations. Even if they do, they write large files. And large files are >written faster when they're written on real disk, rather then

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-24 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Langasek wrote: > Absolutely not. /run is a root-only directory, suitable only for > system-wide data/sockets. It absolutely must not be used for non-root data. With that said, if you want to fill up /run as a normal user, and screen is installed, you certianly can. There are probably othe

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 03:57:28AM +0300, Serge wrote: > > Every file that exists in /tmp on the system from which I'm writing this > > exists there not because the application is saving memory but because the > > application needs to share that file with other applications. That > > includes a bu

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-24 Thread Serge
2012/5/25 Fernando Lemos wrote: > Hasn't this been discussed at length already in previous threads? Well, I brought that up because I hadn't seen the main argument about temporary files discussed yet. I hope that it may change things to the better way. But that's not just for more talking, it's

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-24 Thread Miles Bader
Jakub Wilk writes: > ACK. /tmp on tmpfs is a nice hack (I use it myself!), but it's a > terrible default. I can't say whether it's a good default or not (though it seems to work pretty well in practice), but the OP's argument is completely silly. Most apps use /tmp not for "reducing memory usage

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-24 Thread Michael Biebl
On 25.05.2012 01:22, Serge wrote: > > PS: should I had filled this as a bugreport? > No need to, there is already http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=630615 -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.

Re: on the use of chmod/chown in maintainer scripts

2012-05-24 Thread Guillem Jover
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 13:49:19 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Roger Leigh writes: > > On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 02:38:14PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >> That just leaves the question of wether dpkg uses uid/gid or symbolic > >> names when unpacking debs. > > > > I think this one is c

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-24 Thread Serge
2012/5/25 Russ Allbery wrote: > Every file that exists in /tmp on the system from which I'm writing this > exists there not because the application is saving memory but because the > application needs to share that file with other applications. That > includes a bunch of Kerberos ticket caches, s

Work-needing packages report for May 25, 2012

2012-05-24 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 425 (new: 31) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 163 (new: 0) Total number of packages reques

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-24 Thread Fernando Lemos
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Jakub Wilk wrote: >> Q: I'm a smart man, I know what I'm doing, what apps I'm breaking and what >> consequences my decision might have, but I still need my /tmp in tmpfs. >> A: Then you should do that. In those rare cases when defaults need to be >> changed they sh

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-24 Thread Jakub Wilk
Q: I'm a smart man, I know what I'm doing, what apps I'm breaking and what consequences my decision might have, but I still need my /tmp in tmpfs. A: Then you should do that. In those rare cases when defaults need to be changed they should be changed. ACK. /tmp on tmpfs is a nice hack (I use i

Re: gitpkg with a quilt export hook

2012-05-24 Thread David Bremner
Brian May writes: > On 24 May 2012 20:28, James McCoy wrote: > >> Also, see gitpkg.force-overwrite-orig in gitpkg(1). > > Setting that to False will result in gitpkg aborting instead of just > assuming an answer of No. In the next version of gitpkg, there may be a third setting of this variable

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Serge writes: > What's a temporary file? Really, why would applications temporarily > store its data in a file? They do that to *free some memory*. Placing > those files back to memory renders the whole process of writing the file > useless. If the files are small and can stay in memory why woul

Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-24 Thread Serge
I've read across different debates about whether using tmpfs is good or bad but I could not find the most important reason, so here it is... Reason == What's a temporary file? Really, why would applications temporarily store its data in a file? They do that to *free some memory*. Placing those

Re: gitpkg with a quilt export hook

2012-05-24 Thread Brian May
On 23 May 2012 23:31, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: > 9. git checkout -b debian-patches/6.7.7.0-1 > 10. git checkout -b  debian/6.7.7.0-1 # create new debian branch Just curious here, why do you create a new branch for every Debian revision? Wouldn't it be better to create a branch for every upstream

Re: gitpkg with a quilt export hook

2012-05-24 Thread Brian May
On 24 May 2012 20:28, James McCoy wrote: >> Drop the upstream branch. >> >> $ gitpkg debian/2.4.5a-1 Ok, yes, that seems to do it. Thanks I assumed that the upstream branch was required for /usr/share/gitpkg/hooks/pristine-tar-pre-export-hook - however this assumption was false. It looks like wh

Re: apache 2.4 transition bugs

2012-05-24 Thread Arno Töll
Hi Olivier, On 24.05.2012 18:05, Olivier Sallou wrote: > as Apache 2.4 transition has been delayed, should not created bugs, set > with Important severity be lowered ? > or closed and reopen when transition will occur? I am not sure why you are worried about your transition bug. The transition is

Bug#674450: ITP: txaws -- Twisted-based Asynchronous Libraries for Amazon Web Services

2012-05-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Clint Byrum * Package name: txaws Version : 0.2.3 Upstream Author : txAWS Developers * URL : https://launchpad.net/txaws * License : MIT / X / Expat License Programming Lang: Python Description : Twisted-based As

apache 2.4 transition bugs

2012-05-24 Thread Olivier Sallou
Hi, as Apache 2.4 transition has been delayed, should not created bugs, set with Important severity be lowered ? or closed and reopen when transition will occur? I have several packages impacted. Thanks Olivier -- gpg key id: 4096R/326D8438 (keyring.debian.org) Key fingerprint = 5FB4 6F83 D

Processed: reassign 674427 to src:linux-2.6

2012-05-24 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > # assume current version > reassign 674427 src:linux-2.6 2.6.32-45 Bug #674427 [general] Frequent freezes during run- and boot time due to kernel module general protection fault Bug reassigned from package 'general' to 'src:linux-2.6'. Ignoring r

Bug#674428: ITP: haskell-chell-quickcheck -- QuickCheck support for the Chell testing library

2012-05-24 Thread John Millikin
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: John Millikin * Package name: haskell-chell-quickcheck Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : John Millikin * URL : https://john-millikin.com/software/chell/ * License : Expat Programming Lang: Haskell Description : Qui

Bug#674422: ITP: libmath-tamuanova-perl -- Perl extension for the tamuanova library

2012-05-24 Thread Vincent Danjean
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Vincent Danjean * Package name: libmath-tamuanova-perl Version : 1.0.1 Upstream Author : Vincent Danjean * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Math-TamuAnova/ * License : Same as perl (Artistic + GPL1+) Programming Lang:

Bug#674420: ITP: chell-hunit -- HUnit support for the Chell testing library

2012-05-24 Thread John Millikin
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: John Millikin * Package name: chell-hunit Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : John Millikin * URL : https://john-millikin.com/software/chell-hunit/ * License : Expat Programming Lang: Haskell Description : HUnit supp

Bug#674418: ITP: haskell-chell -- Haskell library for simple and intuitive automated testing

2012-05-24 Thread John Millikin
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: John Millikin * Package name: haskell-chell Version : 0.3 Upstream Author : John Millikin * URL : https://john-millikin.com/software/chell/ * License : Expat Programming Lang: Haskell Description : Haskell librar

Bug#674417: ITP: haskell-knob -- Haskell library for memory-backed handles

2012-05-24 Thread John Millikin
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: John Millikin * Package name: haskell-knob Version : 0.1.1 Upstream Author : John Millikin * URL : https://john-millikin.com/software/knob/ * License : Expat Programming Lang: Haskell Description : Haskell library

Re: gitpkg with a quilt export hook

2012-05-24 Thread James McCoy
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 06:08:11AM -0400, James McCoy wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 01:54:23PM +1000, Brian May wrote: > > On 23 May 2012 23:31, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: > > > Ok step for imagemagick > > > > Thanks. > > > > Just trying this out now. Anyway I can avoid gitpkg asking the > > fo

Re: gitpkg with a quilt export hook

2012-05-24 Thread David Bremner
Brian May writes: > On 16 May 2012 19:45, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: >> You could use gitpkg with a quilt export hook. i use it regularly with >> imagemagick and it work perfectly (it is gitpkg over git over svn). > > Out of curiosity, how do you use that and not have it include changes > to debia

Re: gitpkg with a quilt export hook

2012-05-24 Thread James McCoy
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 01:54:23PM +1000, Brian May wrote: > On 23 May 2012 23:31, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: > > Ok step for imagemagick > > Thanks. > > Just trying this out now. Anyway I can avoid gitpkg asking the > following question? I think No is the only correct answer when using > pristine

Bug#674292: ITP: opus-tools -- Opus codec command line tools

2012-05-24 Thread Ron
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ron * Package name: opus-tools Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Xiph.Org * URL : http://www.xiph.org/ * License : 2-clause BSD Programming Lang: C Description : Opus codec command line tools This package provides

Re: gitpkg with a quilt export hook

2012-05-24 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Brian May wrote: > On 23 May 2012 23:31, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: >> Ok step for imagemagick > > Thanks. > > Just trying this out now. Anyway I can avoid gitpkg asking the > following question? I think No is the only correct answer when using > pristine-tar (it al

Bug#674269: ITP: libforester-java -- library for phylogenomics and evolutionary biology research

2012-05-24 Thread Olivier Sallou
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Olivier Sallou * Package name: forester Version : 0.955 * URL : http://code.google.com/p/forester/ * License : LGPL Programming Lang: Java Description : library for phylogenomics and evolutionary biology research

Bug#674265: ITP: biojava3 -- Java API to develop tools for bioinformatics research rewrote from biojava1

2012-05-24 Thread Olivier Sallou
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Olivier Sallou * Package name: biojava3 Version : 3.0.4 Upstream Author : BioJava team * URL : http://www.biojava.org/ * License : LGPL Programming Lang: Java Description : Java API to develop tools for bioinform