On Thu, 17 May 2012 04:36:40 +0200
Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 02:47:54PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > Can someone set the default to xz and recompile all of Debian or at
> > least base and create a repository from that for install tests?
>
> There's no need to recom
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Le 17/05/12 00:25, James McCoy a écrit :
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 04:23:05PM +0200, Olе Streicher wrote:
>> Unpatching the sources *before* the build process was cleaned up
>> makes no sense to me at all. Could you provide a use case for
>> that?
>
>
On 05/16/2012 08:45 PM, Jon Dowland wrote:
> Of course, many of these could be separate source/binary packages in their own
> right[1], as they have value outside of wordpress, and be
> Build-Depends/Depends
> of wordpress. In fact a few already are: jquery (already packaged); swfupload
> (not yet
On 05/03/2012 07:23 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> Well, FWIW postfix allows you to override all MTA notifications, not just
> bounce messages, but the full set. We do that at work.
>
Interesting. Can you post an example here?
Thomas
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> There was never really a satisfactory resolution to that discussion. We
> can upload very shallow clones, but they end up looking a lot like the
> existing quilt format with single-debian-patch, and it's not horribly
> clear what the advantages of 3.0 (git) are at that point.
Charles Plessy writes:
> Also, it is very sad that, as a project, we can not decide whether we go
> for 3.0 (git) or not, or have a concrete list of resolvable objections
> from the people whose work is direclty impacted by the use of this
> format.
We know what a primary concrete objection is.
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 02:47:54PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Can someone set the default to xz and recompile all of Debian or at
> least base and create a repository from that for install tests?
There's no need to recompile anything. You can recompress existing packages
using the attac
On Thu, 17 May 2012, Charles Plessy wrote:
> It strikes me that while we have more than 6,500 source packages
> managed with Git, we are pushing for a source package format that does
> not work transparently with them.
It does, but not on all workflows. A very large number of DDs are using
3.0 (q
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Le Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:38:49PM +0200, Adam Borowski a écrit :
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:10:28AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
> > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 03:17:17PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > > No, I hereby start saying good by to 3.0
> >
> > I'm hoping we can revisit 3.0 (git) post-squ
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^^^
Umm, what?
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On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 04:23:05PM +0200, Olе Streicher wrote:
> Unpatching the sources *before* the build process was cleaned up makes
> no sense to me at all. Could you provide a use case for that?
As was described in #649531:
vcs clone
cd repo
... tweak a little ...
dpkg-buildpackage;
[Russell Coker]
> Would it be possible to have somewhere on the Debian servers for
> storing such files so that they can be referenced in a README file or
> something rather than sent to everyone? I'm sure that most people
> who build a Wordpress package won't use them.
As Paul Wise said, best i
[Steve McIntyre]
> You're not measuring the time taken to sync to the flash drive
> either, so all you're going to be seeing is the speed of writing to
> cache.
Huh, I figured the 'sync' call at the end of each test run covered
that.
> I've done lots of work with USB flash and MMC/SD cards over
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>
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Joey Hess writes:
>
> > Adam Borowski wrote:
> >> Could you please mention which ones do not? And if so, how are they
> >> relevant/are they fixable?
> >
> > As one of the maintainers of debootstrap, I am perhaps more aware than
> > some how broadly it's used. Ok..
Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:26:13PM -0300, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
wrote:
> On Dom 13 May 2012 21:40:10 Marco d'Itri escribió:
> [snip]
> > Does anybody actually know that people routinely try to install desktop
> > systems with only a CD and no networking,
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 06:04:27PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:57:07AM +0300, Dmitry Nezhevenko wrote:
> > I'm trying to package a ReviewBoard package that depends on
> > django-pipeline module. Unfortunately there is already another package
> > named python-pipeline in
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Adam Borowski writes:
> It is true that 3.0 (quilt) does have a great downside, quilt, but it also
> has a number of upsides. And working around quilt is simple:
> echo "single-debian-patch" >debian/source/options
> echo "/.pc" >>.gitignore
> echo "/debian/patches" >>.gitignore
I recommend usi
Could you clarify how this differs from #481129?
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On May 16, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> [CC'ing Hans-Christoph in case he isn't following this list]
>
> On 12-05-16 at 02:47pm, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
>> Joey Hess writes:
>>
>>> Adam Borowski wrote:
Could you please mention which ones do not? And if so, how are
>>
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:57:07AM +0300, Dmitry Nezhevenko wrote:
> I'm trying to package a ReviewBoard package that depends on
> django-pipeline module. Unfortunately there is already another package
> named python-pipeline in debian that uses same python module name
> (pipeline). This another pa
Hi,
Bjørn Mork wrote:
> On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
> the "floppy" group.
Ferenc Wagner wrote:
> What about recommending /dev/disk/by-id/usb-X instead?
I understand that the instructions about creating a Debian installation
medium shall be usable on as many systems as
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 09:00:29PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>[Steve McIntyre]
>> The major win with dd onto a raw device is that you can specify the
>> block size. For most USB sticks, using a block size of 4MB or so is
>> going to be *much* faster than using the default for dd (512 bytes)
>>
Jonathan Nieder writes:
> speaking lets each user access media that they have inserted. Last
> time I checked[1] (a while ago), the same rules did not apply to USB
> sticks.
Yes, this is the point I was trying to make in the first place :)
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Bjørn Mork wrote:
> Timo Juhani Lindfors writes:
>> You also need to have root access to some machine to create the USB
>> media.
>
> No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
> the "floppy" group. From /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules :
>
> # default permissio
Hi,
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 09:05:21AM +0200, Olе Streicher wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just discovered that debuild does not behave as I would expect from
> the maintainer's guide [1]:
You should say :-)
I just discovered that debuild does not behave as it is described in the
maintainer's guide. So t
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On 12-05-16 at 02:47pm, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Joey Hess writes:
>
> > Adam Borowski wrote:
> >> Could you please mention which ones do not? And if so, how are
> >> they relevant/are they fixable?
> >
> > As one of the maintai
On 16/05/12 13:41, Wookey wrote:
is there any reason not to just upload this to Debian?
There are ITPs filed for it:
- http://bugs.debian.org/582884
- http://bugs.debian.org/576359
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Goswin von Brederlow writes:
> What automatic reversal? There is no automatic reversal. The default
> state of source is with patches applied.
Hmm. I have overlooked this when reading bug report #649531.
The order how the steps are applied, is clearly:
1. patch the sources
2. build the package
On Wed, 16 May 2012, Wookey wrote:
> this to Debian? I see a couple of places in the UI where it says
> 'Ubuntu' and it would be good if it got a bit cleverer and put in the
If Ubuntu sponsored the creation of usb-creator, we can package it that
way just fine, as long as the trademark license for
debian-de...@liska.ath.cx (Olе Streicher) writes:
> Hi,
>
> I just discovered that debuild does not behave as I would expect from
> the maintainer's guide [1]:
>
> | Cleaning the source and rebuilding the package from your user account
> | is as simple as:
> | $ debuild
> [...]
> | You can clea
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 02:38:14PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Roger Leigh writes:
>
> > With the above approach, the only hard question is how to set the
> > ownership during the package build. fakeroot handles this just fine,
> > but it does require the user/group to be present on the
"Bernhard R. Link" writes:
> * Norbert Preining [120515 01:10]:
>> For these kind of things the expected behaviour is that quilt and
>> dpkg-source behave the same way, and if not, dpkg-source should
>> warn or whatever.
>
> I think the patched debian source format should not depend on what
> qu
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Joey Hess writes:
> Adam Borowski wrote:
>> Could you please mention which ones do not? And if so, how are they
>> relevant/are they fixable?
>
> As one of the maintainers of debootstrap, I am perhaps more aware than
> some how broadly it's used. Ok..
>
> They use it on Android (41,600 hits incl
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 05:53:11PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> Seems like a bug, the best way to determine that sources are still
> buildable is to always build them.
The stuff is things such as "minified" js. The wordpress source contains the
minified copies, and you can get the originals in separa
On 2012-05-16 13:19, Pierre Jaury wrote:
On Wed, 2012-05-16 at 11:02 +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Jonathan Wiltshire (16/05/2012):
> Viral? I hope this is just a translation artefact; can you explain
> exactly what you mean by it?
Quite a shock for a project advertised as licensed under the B
Roger Leigh writes:
> With the above approach, the only hard question is how to set the
> ownership during the package build. fakeroot handles this just fine,
> but it does require the user/group to be present on the build
> system, which will not always be the case. Is there an alternative
> m
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:38:49PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> It is true that 3.0 (quilt) does have a great downside, quilt, but it also
> has a number of upsides. And working around quilt is simple:
>
> echo "single-debian-patch" >debian/source/options
> echo "/.pc" >>.gitignore
> echo "/debi
Russ Allbery writes:
> Charles Plessy writes:
>
>> in some of my packages, I give the ownership on some directories in /var
>> to www-data without checking that the www-data group exists, but I guess
>> it is acceptable because it is globally allocated by base-passwd.
>
> Right.
>
>> Dpkg will n
Hi,
On Wed, 2012-05-16 at 11:02 +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Jonathan Wiltshire (16/05/2012):
> > Viral? I hope this is just a translation artefact; can you explain
> > exactly what you mean by it?
>
> Quite a shock for a project advertised as licensed under the BSD!
>
> (INSTALL.txt says GP
+++ Timo Juhani Lindfors [2012-05-15 21:01 +0300]:
Yes, turns out I failed to read the instructions right, presumably due
to thinking I knew how this worked (i.e. you can't just put an iso
stright onto a USB stick, and you need 'hd-media' for USB sticks).
I'm glad to see that this has got signifi
Bjørn Mork writes:
> I fail to see how burning to a local user's CD is any better, but yes,
> if that is a consideration then they need some system to tie the rights
> to console access. I believe ConsoleKit and the replacement
> systemd-loginctl attempts to solve such problems.
Yes, I believe u
James McCoy writes:
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 09:05:21AM +0200, Olе Streicher wrote:
>> What is the rationale behind the automatic reversal of the applied
>> patches before a cleanup?
>
> Quoting from the bug I meant to refer you to (#649531) when closing the
> debuild bug:
>
> On one hand, in d
"Thomas Schmitt" writes:
> I am a bit scared by the catastrophic potential of
> cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX
> for X = valuable hard disk.
What about recommending /dev/disk/by-id/usb-X instead?
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Ben Armstrong wrote:
> On 05/16/2012 06:10 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> > Bjørn Mork writes:
> >> No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
> >> the "floppy" group. From /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules :
> >
> > Yeah bu
On 12-05-16 at 11:36am, Thomas Preud'homme wrote:
> Le mercredi 16 mai 2012 09:22:46, Jonathan Wiltshire a écrit :
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 2012-05-15 21:33, Pierre Jaury wrote:
> > > This is an opensource, free and viral project
> >
> > Viral? I hope this is just a translation artefact; can you expla
On 05/16/2012 06:10 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> Bjørn Mork writes:
>> No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
>> the "floppy" group. From /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules :
>
> Yeah but you are not a member of that group by default surely?
$ debconf-sho
Timo Juhani Lindfors writes:
> Bjørn Mork writes:
>> No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
>> the "floppy" group. From /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules :
>
> Yeah but you are not a member of that group by default surely?
No, that decision should be left to
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:10:28AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 03:17:17PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > No, I hereby start saying good by to 3.0
>
> I'm hoping we can revisit 3.0 (git) post-squeeze, myself. But I have also
> found myself to be incompatible iwth 3.0 (qu
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Le dimanche 13 mai 2012 à 20:00 +0200, Gergely Nagy a écrit :
>> > There is a huge difference between gconf, for which you can set one
>> > specific setting in /etc, overriding the default in /usr (and in a way
>> > that will not break the application if the schemas ch
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 09:05:21AM +0200, Olе Streicher wrote:
> What is the rationale behind the automatic reversal of the applied
> patches before a cleanup?
Quoting from the bug I meant to refer you to (#649531) when closing the
debuild bug:
On one hand, in dpkg's source format v3, the patch
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 03:17:17PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
>> No, I hereby start saying good by to 3.0
>
> I'm hoping we can revisit 3.0 (git) post-squeeze, myself. But I have also
> found myself to be incompatible iwth 3.0 (quilt) and
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Russell Coker wrote:
> I just downloaded the source to Wordpress from Squeeze, it's got a 14M
> .debian.tar.xz which is mostly sources for things that are included in the
> upstream tarball. The build process appears to only use the upstream tarball
> code so the
I just downloaded the source to Wordpress from Squeeze, it's got a 14M
.debian.tar.xz which is mostly sources for things that are included in the
upstream tarball. The build process appears to only use the upstream tarball
code so the 13MB of data in the debian/missing-sources directory isn't u
Le mercredi 16 mai 2012 09:22:46, Jonathan Wiltshire a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> On 2012-05-15 21:33, Pierre Jaury wrote:
> > This is an opensource, free and viral project
>
> Viral? I hope this is just a translation artefact; can you explain
> exactly what you mean by it?
From the website linked in th
Timo Juhani Lindfors writes:
> Wookey writes:
>> And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
>> have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
>> put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
>
> You also need to have root acces
Bjørn Mork writes:
> No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
> the "floppy" group. From /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules :
Yeah but you are not a member of that group by default surely?
> You mean that they allow you to burn a CD but not write to a USB
> stic
Jonathan Wiltshire (16/05/2012):
> Viral? I hope this is just a translation artefact; can you explain
> exactly what you mean by it?
Quite a shock for a project advertised as licensed under the BSD!
(INSTALL.txt says GPLv2 though.)
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On Mi, 16 Mai 2012, Thibaut Paumard wrote:
> fishy with the default behaviour: anytime you have to patch a file
> which is later modified during build, you have to build with -tc IIRC.
Ouch, I had this case (reautoconf vs patching), it lead me to give
up on it. It simply is not worth the pain.
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> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 09:05:21AM +0200, Olе Streicher wrote:
>> I just discovered that debuild does not behave as I would expect
>> from the maintainer's guide [1]:
>>
>> | Cleaning the source and r
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 09:05:21AM +0200, Olе Streicher wrote:
> I just discovered that debuild does not behave as I would expect from
> the maintainer's guide [1]:
>
> | Cleaning the source and rebuilding the package from your user account
> | is as simple as:
> | $ debuild
> [...]
> | You can c
Hi,
On 2012-05-15 21:33, Pierre Jaury wrote:
This is an opensource, free and viral project
Viral? I hope this is just a translation artefact; can you explain
exactly what you mean by it?
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Hi,
I just discovered that debuild does not behave as I would expect from
the maintainer's guide [1]:
| Cleaning the source and rebuilding the package from your user account
| is as simple as:
| $ debuild
[...]
| You can clean the source tree as simply as:
| $ debuild clean
This gives an error
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Ideally, they will, but even if
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