Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012, Brian May wrote: > On 10 April 2012 16:06, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > >> dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ {print $2}' | xargs --no-run-if-empty dpkg --purge > >> > > That's a pretty dangerous line. People (sometimes) don't purge packages > > for a reason, you might lose data here. > > Un

Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-10 Thread Brian May
On 10 April 2012 16:06, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: >> dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ {print $2}' | xargs --no-run-if-empty dpkg --purge >> > That's a pretty dangerous line. People (sometimes) don't purge packages > for a reason, you might lose data here. Under some circumstances it can delete configuration f

Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-10 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:31:11AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > On 10.04.2012 22:44, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > ]] Adam Borowski > > > >> Could sysv-rc show this output upon a failure to migrate? Knowing you need > >> to delete /etc/init.d/bootlogd, /etc/init.d/stop-bootlogd-single and > >> /et

Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-10 Thread Michael Biebl
On 10.04.2012 22:44, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Adam Borowski > >> Could sysv-rc show this output upon a failure to migrate? Knowing you need >> to delete /etc/init.d/bootlogd, /etc/init.d/stop-bootlogd-single and >> /etc/init.d/stop-bootlogd would provide the user with straightforward info >>

Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-10 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:44:36PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Adam Borowski > > > Could sysv-rc show this output upon a failure to migrate? Knowing you need > > to delete /etc/init.d/bootlogd, /etc/init.d/stop-bootlogd-single and > > /etc/init.d/stop-bootlogd would provide the user with

Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-10 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Adam Borowski > Could sysv-rc show this output upon a failure to migrate? Knowing you need > to delete /etc/init.d/bootlogd, /etc/init.d/stop-bootlogd-single and > /etc/init.d/stop-bootlogd would provide the user with straightforward info > of what needs to be done. I think this should just

Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-10 Thread Josh Triplett
Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Apr 09, Roger Leigh wrote: > > majority, it's going to be increasingly untested. Do we want to > > continue to maintain something that will be increasingly > > unsupportable, or complete the migration cleanly before that point? > Kill it. With fire. Yes please. > > WRT

Bug#668299: ITP: octave-openmpi-ext -- Octave toolbox for parallel computing using MPI

2012-04-10 Thread Sébastien Villemot
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Sébastien Villemot" * Package name: octave-openmpi-ext Version : 1.0.2 Upstream Author : Riccardo Corradini * URL : http://octave.sourceforge.net/openmpi_ext/ * License : GPL-2+ Programming Lang: C++, GNU Octave Des

Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-10 Thread Chris Knadle
On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 05:53:48 PM Thomas Goirand wrote: ... > >> WRT actually doing this, the main issues I can see are > > > > I say just abort the upgrade and let root deal with the issues found, > > it's better than risking clobbering some local change. > > Considering that most (if not a

Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-10 Thread John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell
Who said LSB requires insserv ? verify this. Um ... LSB requires everything I write too ! :) Riight???! But innserv makes a good effort to be compatible - so that end should be ok. The LSB requires support for LSB init scripts; LSB init scripts have LSB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian

Bug#668293: ITP: tvnamer -- utility to rename TV-show episodes files

2012-04-10 Thread Sandro Tosi
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Sandro Tosi * Package name: tvnamer Version : 2.2 Upstream Author : Ben Dickson * URL : https://github.com/dbr/tvnamer * License : Unlicense Programming Lang: Python Description : utility to rename TV-show episode

Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 02:27:35PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > As Debian should support init.d scripts as long as the Linux Software > Base require it, I believe it is worth spending some time making sure > init.d scripts work properly in Debian. The LSB requires support for LSB init scri

Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-10 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 05:16:36PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Adam Borowski] > > Am I supposed to fetch a copy of initscripts and manually compare > > scripts it ships with those on 'dpkg -L initscripts'? Or is there > > some other obscure way? > > Try this one instead: > > dpkg-quer

Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-10 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Adam Borowski] > Am I supposed to fetch a copy of initscripts and manually compare > scripts it ships with those on 'dpkg -L initscripts'? Or is there > some other obscure way? Try this one instead: dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}\n' initscripts | grep obsolete -- Happy hacking Petter Reinho

Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-10 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Apr 09, 2012 at 10:26:38PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > Hi, > > When dependency-based booting was introduced, it was initially > entirely optional. We later made it the default, and encouraged > users to switch to dependency-based boot on upgrade. So today, > pretty much everyone will be

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2012: Call for votes

2012-04-10 Thread Picca Frédéric-Emmanuel
Le Sun, 1 Apr 2012 01:36:39 +0200, Kurt Roeckx a écrit : > Hi, > > This is the first call for votes for the Debian Project Leader > Elections 2012. > > Voting period starts 00:00:00 UTC on Sunday, April 1st, 2012 > Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday, April 14th

Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-10 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Moray Allan] > With similar intention, I wondered about the possibility of running > scripts without the LSB headers after everything else. (= implied > dependency on those with LSB headers) The intention of the current implementation is to assume such scripts depend on $syslog and $remote_fs,

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2012: Second call for votes

2012-04-10 Thread Luca BRUNO
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Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2012: Second call for votes

2012-04-10 Thread Luca BRUNO
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Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-10 Thread Moray Allan
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Jon Dowland wrote: > I was hesitant to suggest that investing energy into improving the > current init system, if it is likely to be wholesale replaced, might > not be worthwhile (when that same energy could be put into hastening > the inevitable). Yes, it's a pi

Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-10 Thread Moray Allan
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Considering that most (if not all) scripts would be user custom-scripts, > I'd say that the best way would be to, just move them away on a special > folder, and execute them one by one, without any particular order, and > print a huge warni

Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-10 Thread Jon Dowland
On 10/04/12 10:53, Thomas Goirand wrote: > I wholeheartedly agree. > I also agree that wheezy would be the correct moment to do it, and > that we shouldn't wait until wheezy+1. I was hesitant to suggest that investing energy into improving the current init system, if it is likely to be wholesale r

Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-10 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/10/2012 07:03 AM, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Apr 09, Roger Leigh wrote: > >> majority, it's going to be increasingly untested. Do we want to >> continue to maintain something that will be increasingly >> unsupportable, or complete the migration cleanly before that point? >> > Kill it.

Re: Social Networking Servers

2012-04-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-04-10 at 01:35pm, Russell Coker wrote: > http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2012/03/not-an-april-fool-1.html > > The perils of commercial social networking are becoming more widely > known, as demonstrated by the above post by Charles Stross and the > article he cites. [...] > W

Re: Social Networking Servers

2012-04-10 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 01:35:43PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: > Is there any progress being made on packaging these systems? Are > there other social networking systems released under free licenses > that we can package? status.net (#491723) has seen some progress recently, but it's not in Debia

Bug#668248: ITP:

2012-04-10 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
Package: wnpp Owner: Anibal Monsalve Salazar Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: idle3-tools Version : 0.9.1 Upstream Author : Christophe Bothamy * URL : http://idle3-tools.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL-3.0+ Progr