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On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 18:26:13 +0100, Joachim Breitner wrote:
> Theoretically, there is no interesting binary package produced from this
> source package and it seems that the policy does not explicitly require
> that a source package produces binary packages... but I am certain that
> this is
On Fri, Jan 06, 2012 at 02:41:41PM +, Tanguy Ortolo wrote:
> Current status
> ==
> This is what I think we have for Debian.
> Installer image
> - ---
> I do not think we have any UEFI-bootable installer images so far.
I don't know if we do or not, but this seems to b
On 01/06/2012 02:46 PM, Milan P. Stanic wrote:
> live with the idea that Debian must be usable for everyone in the
> world (which is impossible, IMHO) but that's the life.
at least debian is equally bad for everyone/everything, having almost no
worst cases by itself, already is quite a good thing,
On 01/06/2012 11:06 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> That's what I don't get! I think using a remote MySQL is as uncommon as
> a chrooted CGI environment. [...] we should apply the same reasoning to the
> MySQL
> server. There's no logic at all here.
i beg to differ.
web applications that use mysql (
On 01/06/2012 06:43 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
How many of these packages do clever things upon installation like
setup their own virtual hosts or similar?
>>> None, because that's forbidden by the Debian policy.
>>>
>> Where is that forbidden?
>
> Sorry, I don't want to
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On 06.01.2012 19:09, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> I don't think this would be an issue for anyone, and I wouldn't see any
> argument against it (I'm sure someone in this list will though... :) ).
> Your thoughts?
The overall benefit over our virtual packag
Hi,
with todays update of userdir-ldap-cgi, i have applied the 'spacefun'
theme from Kalle, we applied to the debian website (www.debian.org) also
to db.debian.org.
Cheers,
Martin
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It seems to be that I wasn't the only one with the issue. Bug #627213
shows how messy things can be.
So, what about Debian providing a dummy package that would provide
httpd, so that it would solve the issue?
It'd be something like this:
Package: dummy-httpd
Provides: httpd, httpd-fastcgi, httpd
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 06, 2012 at 02:41:41PM +, Tanguy Ortolo wrote:
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> > Hello all,
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> > UEFI (often called EFI, which was the name of its previous version) is a
> > new firmware interf
On 01/07/2012 12:33 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>> On 01/06/2012 04:34 PM, Neil Williams wrote:
>>
>>> It depends which is more common
>>>
>> I don't see why we would steer on the direction of the most common
>> thing only. What we want is something that works all the time, no?
>> If we
On Fri, Jan 06, 2012 at 02:41:41PM +, Tanguy Ortolo wrote:
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> Hello all,
>
> UEFI (often called EFI, which was the name of its previous version) is a
> new firmware interface, which is expected to replace the BIOS on new
> PCs, as at has al
]] Thomas Goirand
> On 01/06/2012 04:34 PM, Neil Williams wrote:
> > It depends which is more common
>
> I don't see why we would steer on the direction of the most common
> thing only. What we want is something that works all the time, no?
> If we remote the web server dependency, it works all
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On Fri, Jan 06, 2012 at 10:12:15AM +0100, Miroslav Suchy wrote:
> >Depends: apache2 | httpd, libapache2-mod-php5 | php5-cgi
>
> I would not say that your chroot setup is typical. Or common. I would
> suggest creating your own empty apache2 package with version , which you
> will install in th
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Hi,
On 2012-01-06, Tanguy Ortolo wrote:
> Debian is concerned by this standard, because it has to be supported if
> we want it to be usable on UEFI-based systems. And I think we should be
> *very* concerned by it because, if I recall correctly, UEFI is a
> requirement for the Windows 8 sticker pr
On 06/01/2012 15:19, Mathieu Parent wrote:
> 2012/1/6 Olivier Bonvalet :
>> Le 06/01/2012 08:56, Thomas Goirand a écrit :
>>
>> For info, web apps which are not in PHP like redmine which use Ruby doesn't
>> depend of apache2 or any other http server.
>> So why should we depends of it for PHP apps o
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Hello all,
UEFI (often called EFI, which was the name of its previous version) is a
new firmware interface, which is expected to replace the BIOS on new
PCs, as at has already done so on Apple PCs. While modern operating
system do not rely much on f
2012/1/6 Olivier Bonvalet :
> Le 06/01/2012 08:56, Thomas Goirand a écrit :
>
> For info, web apps which are not in PHP like redmine which use Ruby doesn't
> depend of apache2 or any other http server.
> So why should we depends of it for PHP apps only ?
Because ruby has an embedded web server (we
On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 20:45, Thomas Goirand wrote:
[...]
> This is why I think the solution of moving apache2 | http as
> a Recommends: is a good compromise.
>
> Never mind, it seems there's more people against my idea
> than some thinking it was a smart one, so I'll hack with equivs
> (which I di
On 01/06/2012 06:47 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 06, 2012 at 06:15:36PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>
>> Then please explain to me how I can install let's say wordpress, in a
>> chroot (and of course, without apache), without doing some hacks! Yes,
>> wordpress is FORCING ME to i
On 01/06/2012 07:07 PM, Olivier Bonvalet wrote:
> Le 06/01/2012 08:56, Thomas Goirand a écrit :
>>
>> The issue is that most PHP packages in Debian have dependencies on web
>> servers, most of the time with something like this:
>>
>> Depends: apache2 | httpd, libapache2-mod-php5 | php5-cgi
>>
>
> F
Le jeudi 05 janvier 2012 à 17:40 +0200, vangelis a écrit :
> Hi folks,
> I'm totaly new and i need instructions and a guide how to start or if
> there are groups to join as new beginner.
1. Go to http://wiki.debian.org/Teams
2. Pick a team working on something of interest for you.
3. Talk to the
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On 06.01.2012 12:07, Olivier Bonvalet wrote:
> For info, web apps which are not in PHP like redmine which use Ruby
> doesn't depend of apache2 or any other http server.
> So why should we depends of it for PHP apps only ?
And as a third example: trac
Thomas Goirand, 2012-01-06 18:06:35 +0800 :
[...]
> That's what I don't get! I think using a remote MySQL is as uncommon
> as a chrooted CGI environment.
>From what I've seen of various clients' systems, it isn't. The web
server is often isolated not in a chroot but in a separate host (whether
Hi,
Am Donnerstag, den 05.01.2012, 22:33 -0800 schrieb Josh Triplett:
> Joachim Breitner wrote:
> > From my point of view, it seems desirable to package the testsuite as a
> > source-package of its own, build-depending on GHC and the additional
> > libraries required, and upload that. Our autobuil
Le 06/01/2012 08:56, Thomas Goirand a écrit :
The issue is that most PHP packages in Debian have dependencies on web
servers, most of the time with something like this:
Depends: apache2 | httpd, libapache2-mod-php5 | php5-cgi
For info, web apps which are not in PHP like redmine which use Rub
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Hi,
On 06.01.2012 10:12, Tanguy Ortolo wrote:
> The database server used by a given piece of software can be installed
> on another system. The Web server cannot.
Actually it can. Many modern webservers, including one I am maintaining
support CGI off
On 01/06/2012 05:12 PM, Tanguy Ortolo wrote:
> Thomas Goirand, 2012-01-06 08:56+0100:
>
>> Also, it's very surprising to see that we have dependencies for web
>> servers, but most of the time *not* for mysql-server, which is as much
>> needed in order to run these applications. I really don't un
On 01/06/2012 05:12 PM, Miroslav Suchy wrote:
> On 01/06/2012 08:56 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> The issue is that most PHP packages in Debian have dependencies on web
>> servers, most of the time with something like this:
>>
>> Depends: apache2 | httpd, libapache2-mod-php5 | php5-cgi
>
> I would n
On 01/06/2012 04:34 PM, Neil Williams wrote:
> It depends which is more common
I don't see why we would steer on the direction of the most common
thing only. What we want is something that works all the time, no?
If we remote the web server dependency, it works all the time.
Don't you think that
On 01/06/2012 08:56 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
The issue is that most PHP packages in Debian have dependencies on web
servers, most of the time with something like this:
Depends: apache2 | httpd, libapache2-mod-php5 | php5-cgi
I would not say that your chroot setup is typical. Or common.
I woul
Thomas Goirand, 2012-01-06 08:56+0100:
> Also, it's very surprising to see that we have dependencies for web
> servers, but most of the time *not* for mysql-server, which is as much
> needed in order to run these applications. I really don't understand the
> logic behind this.
The database server
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 16:34, Neil Williams wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:56:37 +0800
> Thomas Goirand wrote:
>
>> The issue is that most PHP packages in Debian have dependencies on web
>> servers, most of the time with something like this:
>>
>> Depends: apache2 | httpd, libapache2-mod-php5 |
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:56:37 +0800
Thomas Goirand wrote:
> The issue is that most PHP packages in Debian have dependencies on web
> servers, most of the time with something like this:
>
> Depends: apache2 | httpd, libapache2-mod-php5 | php5-cgi
Sounds like the situation for which equivs was des
Hi,
It's been a long time I'm thinking about writing a message like this one
to -devel. I hope I can convince others.
In many large installations, web servers are providing spaces in a chroot.
Myself, I use sbox (which I rewrote for a big part) to provide this to
my customers, so that each site
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