Re: aptitude weirdness wrt upgrades and keeps

2011-10-14 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fr, 14 Okt 2011, Marvin Renich wrote: > You can use "aptitude safe-upgrade --visual-preview", though this is not > particularly convenient when already running the aptitude cua. That was very useful, and actually works. Great. > You can also check out "Aptitude::Always-Use-Safe-Resolver". I a

Re: aptitude weirdness wrt upgrades and keeps

2011-10-14 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fr, 14 Okt 2011, Jarek Kamiński wrote: > > Not a solution for the interactive mode, or am I wrong? > > You can use aptitude --safe-resolver. Didn't work either ... still not getting the best result. I still get "6 removals, 1 keep" instead of "n keeps", and after 30 or so proposals all removin

Re: aptitude weirdness wrt upgrades and keeps

2011-10-14 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fr, 14 Okt 2011, Fabian Greffrath wrote: > priority set in /etc/apt/preferences? Mine looks like this and I Good point. Strange enough I have a *very* strange /etc/apt/preferences file that I don't remember to have *EVER* created: Package: * Pin: release a=unstable-i386 Pin-Priority: 400 Pac

Re: RFC: Making mail-transport-agent Priority: optional

2011-10-14 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011, Josh Triplett wrote: > End-user systems (desktops, laptops) typically handle mail via one > or more smarthosts elsewhere, driven by MUAs that know how to talk > SMTP. While this definitely is the current state, it's not optimal. It would be ideal to have an MTA like esmtp or s

Re: RFC: Making mail-transport-agent Priority: optional

2011-10-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 à 11:32 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh a écrit : > I seem to recall our super duper memory-bloated DEs were not even > warning the user when something was screaming blood murder on the > emergency, alert and critical priorities in syslog until wheezy... That > absu

Re: aptitude weirdness wrt upgrades and keeps

2011-10-14 Thread Jarek Kamiński
Na grupie linux.debian.devel napisałe(a)ś: >>> Is there such an option? And if not, can we please please have one? >> aptitude safe-upgrade has been around for years. > Not a solution for the interactive mode, or am I wrong? You can use aptitude --safe-resolver. -- pozdr(); // Jarek -- To U

Proposal for additional metadata in Debian archives (DEP-11)

2011-10-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hello! With more and more non-technical users using Linux and Debian, the package database became much more application-centric instead of package-centric, as it was before. This resulted e.g. in the Ubuntu Software Center and GNOME-AppInstall as simple ways for endusers to install software. In ord

Bug#645341: ITP: emacs-window-layout -- window layout manager for emacs

2011-10-14 Thread KURASHIKI Satoru
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: KURASHIKI Satoru * Package name: emacs-window-layout Version : 1.1 Upstream Author : SAKURAI, Masashi * URL : https://github.com/kiwanami/emacs-window-layout * License : GPL3 Programming Lang: Emacs Lisp Description

Bug#645333: ITP: qthid-fcd-controller -- simple controller for the Funcube Dongle SDR

2011-10-14 Thread Antoine Beaupré
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Antoine Beaupré" * Package name: qthid-fcd-controller Version : 3.1 Upstream Author : Alexandru Csete, OZ9AEC * URL : http://www.oz9aec.net/index.php/funcube-dongle/qthid-fcd-controller * License : GPL3 Programming La

Re: RFC: Making mail-transport-agent Priority: optional

2011-10-14 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Paul Wise wrote: > As someone who runs Debian on his smartphone, I completely agree with > making an MTA optional. Eh, it is not essential, just "standard". You want Debian standard to be tailored for smartphone use? Isn't that a much better job done through a Debian pure bl

Re: RFC: Making mail-transport-agent Priority: optional

2011-10-14 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Josh Triplett wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:57:29PM +0200, Frank Steinborn wrote: > > Josh Triplett wrote: > > > ...which produce output to somewhere other than a log file, in some > > > scenario other than "being buggy and accidentally producing output", and > > > which

Re: RFC: Making mail-transport-agent Priority: optional

2011-10-14 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:05:34 +0200 "Bernhard R. Link" wrote: > > My brother comes to mind -- he's pretty happy with Debian and if he > > didn't know me it's _just_ possible that he'd have installed it himself, > > but would have simply accepted every default. He uses icedove as his > > MUA, poin

Re: aptitude weirdness wrt upgrades and keeps

2011-10-14 Thread Marvin Renich
* Miles Bader [111014 03:04]: > Paul Wise writes: > >> Not a solution for the interactive mode, or am I wrong? > > > > Not AFAICT, I only read the documentation rather than the code though. > > Kinda surprising, actually; this has long been the #1 most horrible > thing about aptitude, and one ab

Re: RFC: Making mail-transport-agent Priority: optional

2011-10-14 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Josh Triplett wrote: > Possibly. The system I booted Debian Live on also had no network > connection. But either way, exim takes a non-zero amount of time to Nowadays, you really need to properly setup non-networked systems correctly, to avoid being pestered by timeouts. I

Re: Move all to /usr

2011-10-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 06:08:32PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Oct 13, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Or on devices where the firmware / boot loader doesn't support large > > disks, or only limited filesystems etc. Please don't ignore other > > people's use cases. > > Can you point me at some exam

Re: / vs. /usr vs. fsck(8)

2011-10-14 Thread Marvin Renich
* Holger Levsen [111014 07:49]: > On Donnerstag, 13. Oktober 2011, brian m. carlson wrote: > > If / and /boot are the same filesystem, then using a filesystem that the > > bootloader supports is important. At least in the recent past, grub 2 > > didn't support booting off ext4; there was some pro

Re: RFC: Making mail-transport-agent Priority: optional

2011-10-14 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Luca Capello wrote: > > - Starting a daemon at boot time, which slows down booting. This led me > > to notice the problem in Debian Live: it took a non-trivial amount of > > time for the boot process to finish starting exim and move on. > > I experienced the same in the p

Re: Re: RFC: Making mail-transport-agent Priority: optional

2011-10-14 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Josh Triplett [111013 22:42]: > > Then deinstall it. > > Every point you just stated applies equally well to every daemon we > don't install by default; you haven't given any reason why an MTA needs > to exist by default. Those points are only there to make clear that your counter-arguments (to

Re: / vs. /usr vs. fsck(8)

2011-10-14 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Donnerstag, 13. Oktober 2011, brian m. carlson wrote: > If / and /boot are the same filesystem, then using a filesystem that the > bootloader supports is important. At least in the recent past, grub 2 > didn't support booting off ext4; there was some problem when doing that. > If /usr is a

Re: Re: RFC: Making mail-transport-agent Priority: optional

2011-10-14 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Philip Hands [111014 11:50]: > On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:17:38 +0200, "Bernhard R. Link" > wrote: > > > - Taking time to download and install, which increases the time and > > > bandwidth needed to install or upgrade a Debian system. > > > > Please drop the "upgrade". If you deinstall it there

Re: Re: / vs. /usr vs. fsck(8)

2011-10-14 Thread brian m. carlson
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 08:22:09PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > Other than tradition, for what reason do you put /usr on a different > filesystem? If / and /boot are the same filesystem, then using a filesystem that the bootloader supports is important. At least in the recent past, grub 2 didn't

Re: aptitude weirdness wrt upgrades and keeps

2011-10-14 Thread Fabian Greffrath
how can I teach aptitude to not be sooo incredible stupid? In the current transition to gnome3 (or it seems) I press Maybe experimental (where gnome3 currently resides) has the wrong priority set in /etc/apt/preferences? Mine looks like this and I regularly upgrade (through apt-get, though) wi

Re: Re: RFC: Making mail-transport-agent Priority: optional

2011-10-14 Thread Philip Hands
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:17:38 +0200, "Bernhard R. Link" wrote: ... > > - Taking time to download and install, which increases the time and > > bandwidth needed to install or upgrade a Debian system. > > Please drop the "upgrade". If you deinstall it there is no cost at > upgrading. I think the

Re: aptitude weirdness wrt upgrades and keeps

2011-10-14 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fr, 14 Okt 2011, Miles Bader wrote: > [With the normal "U" command, for my typical usage, aptitude seems to > choose the worst possible solution about 98% of the time.] Agreed on that. What is the most typical scenario sid people are hitting, transitions in progress, and that is solved by keep

Re: / vs. /usr vs. fsck(8)

2011-10-14 Thread Philip Hands
Hi Marco, On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:20:33 +0200, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote: > On Oct 13, Stephan Seitz wrote: ... > > - Rescue DVDs may not support modern file systems because of older > > kernels. > Not a very compelling reason: if you use an unusual/recent file system, > spend two minutes

Re: aptitude weirdness wrt upgrades and keeps

2011-10-14 Thread Miles Bader
Paul Wise writes: >> Not a solution for the interactive mode, or am I wrong? > > Not AFAICT, I only read the documentation rather than the code though. Kinda surprising, actually; this has long been the #1 most horrible thing about aptitude, and one about which there's been plenty of complaining.

Re: Move all to /usr

2011-10-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:27:03PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > share /usr between multiple systems today; but nobody does it, because > > - Keeping your software on a central fileserver introduces a single > >  point of failure that you d