Is Ryan Niebur MIA?

2010-08-16 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
Hey, did anybody have news from Ryan recently? Some time ago we discussed midori new upstream release (debian has 0.2.4, 0.2.7 just came out), but I heard no news since few months. I pinged him on irc, by mail and on the BTS, but nothing. Seems the last activity was like a month ago, and I don't k

Re: libexplain: need access to debian alpha machine

2010-08-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Peter Miller wrote: > I'm trying to get my libexplain project [1] to build on Debian alpha. > I don't actually have access to an alpha machine, so my feedback loop is > via the Debian build farm [2]... one fix per release. > > This isn't completely satisfactory.  

Re: Debug output etc, cluttering the terminal

2010-08-16 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
On 16/08/10 02:01, Russ Allbery wrote: > gregor herrmann writes: > >> Among the contents are e.g. ~20.000 lines saying: >> (firefox-bin:28026): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead > > I tracked this down at one point and decided that this was the fault of > Adobe's Flash player rath

Re: Bug#593260: ITP: bar -- Show information about a data transfer

2010-08-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Georges Khaznadar wrote: > Don Armstrong a écrit : > > [as a handfull of other vigilant developers] > > How does this [bar] differ from pv? > > I used Michael Peek's bar for a few years because I never heard > about pv. Thank you for this notice. No problem.[1] > Is pv able

Re: Bug#593260: ITP: bar -- Show information about a data transfer

2010-08-16 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Georges Khaznadar] > Is pv able to do the same? for example how can I use pv to monitor the > transfer which is done by modifying a command such as: > > dd if=someImageFile of=/dev/disk/by-id/usb-TheNiceStick_0878101B77D1D977-0:0 pv < someImageFile > /dev/disk/by-id/usb-TheNiceStick_0878101B77D

Re: Bug#593260: ITP: bar -- Show information about a data transfer

2010-08-16 Thread Samuel Thibault
Georges Khaznadar, le Mon 16 Aug 2010 21:57:28 +0200, a écrit : > Is pv able to do the same? for example how can I use pv to monitor the > transfer which is done by modifying a command such as: > > dd if=someImageFile of=/dev/disk/by-id/usb-TheNiceStick_0878101B77D1D977-0:0 killall -USR1 dd Samu

Re: Bug#593260: ITP: bar -- Show information about a data transfer

2010-08-16 Thread Georges Khaznadar
Don Armstrong a écrit : > [as a handfull of other vigilant developers] > How does this [bar] differ from pv? h... I used Michael Peek's bar for a few years because I never heard about pv. Thank you for this notice. When I read pv's manpage, it appears as more featureful than bar. I use curr

Re: Bug#593260: ITP: bar -- Show information about a data transfer

2010-08-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Georges Khaznadar wrote: > Bar is a simple tool to process a stream of data and print a display for > the user on stderr showing (a) the amount of data passed, (b) the > throughput of the data transfer, and, if the total size of the data stream > is known, (c) estimat

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-16 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> Aren't the licenses of source files generally documented by upstream, > either by e.g. the COPYING file or inline within the files themselves? > Why is there a requirement to duplicate this information in the > copyright file? Thats certainly a nice dream, but in most cases not reality (having u

Re: why are there /bin and /usr/bin...

2010-08-16 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Perry E. Metzger [100816 20:21]: > The most reasonable argument against altering such things is that > after decades, people are used to the whole /usr thing and the fight > to change it isn't worthwhile. That I will agree with -- see the > emotional reactions people get when you suggest their p

Bug#593260: ITP: bar -- Show information about a data transfer

2010-08-16 Thread Georges Khaznadar
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Georges Khaznadar * Package name: bar Version : 1.10.9 Upstream Author : Michael Peek * URL : http://clpbar.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL-2 Programming Lang: C Description : Show information about a data tran

Re: status of /etc/environment?

2010-08-16 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Well does this perhaps deserve it's own manpage? At least if it's not deprecated? I barely found any real documentation about it (how it's intended to be used and so). It seems to be Some init-scripts on my system merely use it as a location for the local settings, e.g. console-screen.sh, k

Re: OMG WTF BBQ balloons

2010-08-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Ian Jackson wrote: > I just had to tell NoScript "forbid debian.org" because I wanted to > read a bug report. > > I don't want to be a spoilsport but, honestly! Heh. I tweaked the js to be slightly less annoying; it's only for a 24 hour period. [There's aleady an at job in pl

Re: why are there /bin and /usr/bin...

2010-08-16 Thread Perry E. Metzger
I want to make it clear, btw, that I don't think that getting rid of /usr is something worth fighting for. I just think that there is no reason to keep it other than the fact that years of experience say people will irrationally fight for it endlessly, and the minimal benefits of getting rid of it

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Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Ian Jackson writes: > Russ Allbery writes: >> I don't believe this is correct. Source packages in main can build >> binaries in contrib, and I believe the problem with not being able to >> rebuild with free tools is more of a contrib thing than a non-free >> thing. > Well, some maintainers have

Re: Is Jonas Genannt MIA?

2010-08-16 Thread Damyan Ivanov
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:06:38AM -0430, Ernesto Hernández-Novich wrote: > I am particularly interested in liblog-dispatch-perl [1] because it's > blocking other things I need to fix in webgui. Regardless, his QA page > shows little activity. Has anyone seen any sign of him? > > [1] http://bugs.d

Re: why are there /bin and /usr/bin...

2010-08-16 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 02:47:56PM +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > On 16/08/2010 14:00, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > ]] "Perry E. Metzger" > > | In the embedded space, which I know a lot about, it is true that the > > | root FS is on flash or other expensive media -- but it isn't like /usr > > |

Re: why are there /bin and /usr/bin...

2010-08-16 Thread The Fungi
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 02:43:04PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: [...] > And Debian still don't have a live distribution to be used for > rescue, Well, there's this, which I've had great experiences with so far (though the automatic reassembly of md devices and activation of volume groups was

Re: Notes from the DebConf Source Format BoF

2010-08-16 Thread Guido Günther
Hi Roger, On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:28:52PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 08:27:24PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: [..snip..] > > Best practices for Git repository layout? > > - git-buildpackage documentation is closest to that > > I would have to disagree here, the git-buildp

Re: OMG WTF BBQ balloons

2010-08-16 Thread Jordan Metzmeier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 08/16/2010 09:46 AM, Matthew Johnson wrote: > > You should read bugs.d.o in IE, they don't show up there > > Matt Is that packaged for Debian? - -- Jordan Metzmeier -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCAA

Re: OMG WTF BBQ balloons

2010-08-16 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Mon Aug 16 12:00, Ian Jackson wrote: > I just had to tell NoScript "forbid debian.org" because I wanted to > read a bug report. > > I don't want to be a spoilsport but, honestly! You should read bugs.d.o in IE, they don't show up there Matt signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: OMG WTF BBQ balloons

2010-08-16 Thread Ian Jackson
Dominic Hargreaves writes ("Re: OMG WTF BBQ balloons"): > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:00:09PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I just had to tell NoScript "forbid debian.org" because I wanted to > > read a bug report. > > > > I don't want to be a spoilsport but, honestly! > > Agreed, this is just dis

Re: why are there /bin and /usr/bin...

2010-08-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 16 août 2010 à 14:43 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi a écrit : > As you can easily check, there is a lot of Debian installation > who use networked disks. Usually not embedded devices, but usual > desktop installations (e.g. using huge number of desktops as in > schools or corporate environmen

Re: why are there /bin and /usr/bin...

2010-08-16 Thread Bruce Sass
On August 15, 2010 04:30:04 pm Perry E. Metzger wrote: > On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 03:15:35 -0600 Bruce Sass wrote: > > /sbin and /usr/sbin, /lib and /usr/lib directories? > > > > AFAICT, the reason is so that a minimal but functional system is > > guaranteed to exist so long as a local HDD with a root

Re: why are there /bin and /usr/bin...

2010-08-16 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On 16/08/2010 14:00, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] "Perry E. Metzger" > > | In the embedded space, which I know a lot about, it is true that the > | root FS is on flash or other expensive media -- but it isn't like /usr > | is on cheaper media in such an environment, it is always part of the > | ro

Re: why are there /bin and /usr/bin...

2010-08-16 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
On 16.08.2010 01:22, Perry E. Metzger wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:00:23 -0700 Steve Langasek wrote: On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 06:30:04PM -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: By the early 1990s this was long since unneeded but people continued to do it anyway, and in fact started to think it was done

Re: OMG WTF BBQ balloons

2010-08-16 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
Le lundi 16 août 2010, Dominic Hargreaves a écrit : > Agreed, this is just disruptive. If they must stay, at least make it > possible to turn them off without resorting to local browser policies. I suggest that right-clicking on them could make the explode (left-clicking is already used to go to t

Re: why are there /bin and /usr/bin...

2010-08-16 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] "Perry E. Metzger" | In the embedded space, which I know a lot about, it is true that the | root FS is on flash or other expensive media -- but it isn't like /usr | is on cheaper media in such an environment, it is always part of the | root fs anyway, so it makes no difference. Take a look at

Re: OMG WTF BBQ balloons

2010-08-16 Thread Dominic Hargreaves
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:00:09PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > I just had to tell NoScript "forbid debian.org" because I wanted to > read a bug report. > > I don't want to be a spoilsport but, honestly! Agreed, this is just disruptive. If they must stay, at least make it possible to turn them off

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-16 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)"): > Ian Jackson writes: > > If you have this situation you have to have two separate source > > packages; one in main which builds only the free parts, and one in > > non-free which buil

Re: Notes from the DebConf Source Format BoF

2010-08-16 Thread Josef Spillner
In data lunedì, 16. di agosto 2010 12:35:29, Ian Jackson ha scritto: : > Adam Borowski writes ("Re: Notes from the DebConf Source Format BoF"): > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:54:07PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > git://foo.bar.org/meow#debian > > > > At least, neither git clone, merge nor

OMG WTF BBQ balloons

2010-08-16 Thread Ian Jackson
I just had to tell NoScript "forbid debian.org" because I wanted to read a bug report. I don't want to be a spoilsport but, honestly! Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: ht

Re: Debug output etc, cluttering the terminal

2010-08-16 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 17:02 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: [...] > Most of the stuff in ~/.xsession-errors which has been mentioned here, > are exactly these kind of assertion failure errors: > > (gnome-power-manager:2346): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: value "-nan" of > type `gdouble' is invalid or out o

Re: Notes from the DebConf Source Format BoF

2010-08-16 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: Notes from the DebConf Source Format BoF"): > That's not the problem being discussed here. The signature is fine. The > problem is that while Joey may think that his repository is completely > DFSG-free, it's the current job of ftp-master to actually check that. For > a

Re: Notes from the DebConf Source Format BoF

2010-08-16 Thread Ian Jackson
Adam Borowski writes ("Re: Notes from the DebConf Source Format BoF"): > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:54:07PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > git://foo.bar.org/meow#debian > > At least, neither git clone, merge nor fetch understand that syntax. They could and should, however, be updated to do so

Re: More advanced home directory creation in Debian?

2010-08-16 Thread Ian Jackson
Ben Hutchings writes ("Re: More advanced home directory creation in Debian?"): > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 03:41:45PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > One problem is that run-parts does not currently support passing > > arguments to its scripts: > > It does; use the --arg option. So it does. Urgh, wh

Re: Raw Idea: one more control field for sponsors

2010-08-16 Thread Ian Jackson
Bernd Zeimetz writes ("Re: Raw Idea: one more control field for sponsors"): > On 08/13/2010 06:22 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > How? The changes file might not contain the sponsor not the control > > file. You can get the keyid of the sponsor from the changes file. But > > would people be hap

Re: RFC: Policy 10.1 and appropriateness of package conflicts

2010-08-16 Thread Ian Jackson
Wouter Verhelst writes ("Re: RFC: Policy 10.1 and appropriateness of package conflicts"): > wou...@celtic:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/gcc > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 jun 6 07:23 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.4 > wou...@celtic:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/gcc > gcc: /usr/bin/gcc > wou...@celtic:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 >

Re: Debug output etc, cluttering the terminal

2010-08-16 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Lars Wirzenius | On su, 2010-08-15 at 14:19 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | > I would guess they still fill up the .xsession-errors file, though? At | > least for me, that file is mostly useless due to: | > | > « ...Too much output, ignoring rest... » | > | > as the last line. | | It's pre

Re: Notes from the DebConf Source Format BoF

2010-08-16 Thread Simon McVittie
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 at 22:28:52 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > Best practices for Git repository layout? > > - git-buildpackage documentation is closest to that > > I would have to disagree here, the git-buildpackage default layout is > far too "Debian-centric". By naming the Debian and Upstream b

libexplain: need access to debian alpha machine

2010-08-16 Thread Peter Miller
Hi Folks, I'm trying to get my libexplain project [1] to build on Debian alpha. I don't actually have access to an alpha machine, so my feedback loop is via the Debian build farm [2]... one fix per release. This isn't completely satisfactory. Can anyone suggest a dev machine I can ssh to, and do

Re: libcairo2 in squeeze & subpixel rendering

2010-08-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 09 août 2010 à 23:40 +0400, Stanislav Maslovski a écrit : > Thus I repeat: the subpixel rendering of fonts in current squeeze is > suboptimal, because instead of providing flexibility and full control > it virtually limits the choice of fonts by roughly two families, one > of which is non-

Re: why are there /bin and /usr/bin...

2010-08-16 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 18:30:04 -0400, "Perry E. Metzger" wrote: >The true reason is that back in ancient days, hard drives were too >small to put everything in one place, so ancient Unix machines at Bell >Labs in the 1970s ended up with some programs on the root disk and >some on the same supplement

Re: Debug output etc, cluttering the terminal

2010-08-16 Thread Michael Welle
Good morning (at least in my time zone ;)), Christian PERRIER writes: > Quoting Michael Welle (mwe012...@gmx.net): >> Hello, >> >> what is the reason that many applications clutter the terminal with >> output that is obvisously debug output? Lets take digikam as an >> example: > > > (I read mos