Well, then the problem I think is that people don't get to know what we all
already know: That Debian is perhaps the best distro (in general terms). As
Paul Wise commented, we need more promotion and more people creating
screenshots. At least this would be the easiest and cheapest way to start w
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:38 AM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
> Group 1 can be interested, either when there are Debian (and I mean really
> Debian, not derivates like Ubuntu) preinstalled Computers available. These
> should be easily configurable. A graphical interface (for example in the style
> of w
Russ Allbery writes:
> This one [claim of Debian's libraries being out-of-date] always
> boggles me and makes me wonder if we should present Debian unstable or
> testing as the "typical" installation. Debian testing (and often
> Debian unstable) is more stable than the distributions with equivale
On 22/07/10 at 14:22 +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > > That's an interesting idea. But where is the money going to come from?
> >
> > This idea is likely to get so much people against it that it's not worth
> > discussing.
>
> Involvement of Debian f
Will writes:
> 1, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> This one always boggles me and makes me wonder if we should present
>> Debian unstable or testing as the "typical" installation. Debian
>> testing (and often Debian unstable) is more stable than the
>> distributions with equivalent up-t
In data giovedì, 22. di luglio 2010 02:07:16, Raphael Geissert ha scritto:
> The problem with HTTP submissions is that there must be able to connect to
> the server when the cronjob is run.
Or, alternatively, use any of the thousand message queuing systems which are
shipping with Debian which sup
Hi,
Yaroslav Halchenko writes:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
>> I grabbed the data since December 2009 (the file linked as "was
>> popularity-contest results" on http://popcon.ubuntu.com/). If that is
>> enough for your purposes, I can make it available. I also filed a bug
>>
Paul Wise wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Andrey Ponomarenko
> wrote:
>
>> Suggestions for libraries inclusion and feature/bug requests are very
>> welcome. Thanks!
>
> I'd suggest looking at each library in Debian and seeing which
> libraries you are missing that have very high numbe
On Wed, Jul 21 2010, Will wrote:
> Also I imagine that it helps that they have some kind of commercial
> support behind their projects, whereas Debian has little/none of that.
One of the issues I have faced in trying to get Debian
introduced in big companies is the percieved lack of a c
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > That's an interesting idea. But where is the money going to come from?
>
> This idea is likely to get so much people against it that it's not worth
> discussing.
Involvement of Debian funds would cause problems, but there are other options.
We cou
1, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> "Fuentes, Adolfo" writes:
>
>> - If the user is experienced, they argue that the libraries are somehow
>> old compared to other distros, with cutting-edge software. Here it
>> depends on individuals, since I prefer the solid-rock stability of
>> Debian t
"Fuentes, Adolfo" writes:
> - If the user is experienced, they argue that the libraries are somehow
> old compared to other distros, with cutting-edge software. Here it
> depends on individuals, since I prefer the solid-rock stability of
> Debian to the problem of upgrading systems regularly.
Th
hi, all
>From point of software developer, people who use computer can be divided into
>3 groups:
1. just user.
They just want to use computer, not anything else. Maybe all the 4 groups
mentioned by hans.ullrich can be put here. For those people, debian is
obviously not the first/be
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote:
> Suggestions for libraries inclusion and feature/bug requests are very
> welcome. Thanks!
I'd suggest looking at each library in Debian and seeing which
libraries you are missing that have very high numbers of reverse
dependencies and w
Well, whille trying to convince people to use Debian instead of Ubuntu, Fedora
or OpenSuse, I always encounter one of these two questions:
- If the user is inexperienced, they argue that Debian is "complicated to use".
Perhaps this is due to a marketing campaign that other distros have claiming
2010/7/21 Jesús M. Navarro :
> Hi, Hans:
>
> On Wednesday 21 July 2010 19:38:02 Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
>> Hi community,
>>
>> well, I think, the main problem is, WHO are the persons, you want to
>> actiuvate.
>
> [...]
>
>> Group 4: People, who decide in business, which OS to use.
>
> [...]
>
>> Gr
Raphael Geissert writes:
> Something similar can be seen from
> http://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-news.png
> But it still can't be compared to:
> http://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-announce.png
Those graphs look suspiciously like we weren't purging bouncing addresses
from the mailing lists
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> This is mostly caused by a fall in the number of Lenny installations,
> as can be seen from
> http://popcon.debian.org/stat/release-1year.png >.
Something similar can be seen from
http://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-news.png
But it still can't be compared to:
http://
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> [Stephen Powell]
>> I haven't been following this thread closely; so if this idea has been
>> mentioned before, please excuse the duplicate. I actually tried to
>> enable popcon on my servers, but IIRC it requires an MTA
>> configured for external e-mail in order to w
Hi, Hans:
On Wednesday 21 July 2010 19:38:02 Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
> Hi community,
>
> well, I think, the main problem is, WHO are the persons, you want to
> actiuvate.
[...]
> Group 4: People, who decide in business, which OS to use.
[...]
> Group 4: Business deciders are a big problem. They
Am 21.07.2010 23:04, schrieb Ron Johnson:
> On 07/21/2010 06:50 AM, Patrick Matthäi wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> Or a better idea:
>>
>> * Provide semi-official images with non-free enabled (on
>> cdimage.debian.org) of our releases. This is one big reason, why users
>> decide to use Ubuntu instead of Deb
On 07/21/2010 06:50 AM, Patrick Matthäi wrote:
[snip]
Or a better idea:
* Provide semi-official images with non-free enabled (on
cdimage.debian.org) of our releases. This is one big reason, why users
decide to use Ubuntu instead of Debian.
That's why I installed Ubuntu on my wife/kids' PC: t
Hi James,
thank you for pointing me to these bugreports. I did not know them until now,
but they are describing exactly my problem! Really thanks for it, great!!
I will now take a look for the problem in the next days, maybe I will find
something out.
Cheers
Hans
> If you have an nVidia car
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Severity: wishlist
Owner: Daniel Kahn Gillmor
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On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 21. Juli 2010 schrieb Yaroslav Halchenko:
>> I am sorry, probably I am missing the point but isn't it RTFM issue in how
>> to use sysv-rc to be able to revert back easily... e.g.:
>>
> Hi Yaroslaw,
>
> sorry, I described it not
Am Mittwoch, 21. Juli 2010 schrieb Yaroslav Halchenko:
> I am sorry, probably I am missing the point but isn't it RTFM issue in how
> to use sysv-rc to be able to revert back easily... e.g.:
>
Hi Yaroslaw,
sorry, I described it not quite clear. It is not the problem of sysv-rc, as
after the cha
I am sorry, probably I am missing the point but isn't it RTFM issue in how to
use sysv-rc to be able to revert back easily... e.g.:
$> sudo sysv-rc-conf --list ssh
ssh 2:on 3:on4:on5:on
$> sudo sysv-rc-conf ssh off
$> sudo sysv-rc-conf --list ssh
ssh 2:off
Chris Jackson writes:
> I might ask, however, how are you serving *nix admins? A lot easier
> bunch to please with Linux I think. I for one have delisted (for the
> moment anyway) Debian for our server installations after Lenny, because
> I don't like the way it's headed, and I know a number of p
Wow. This is depressing.
Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Group 3: Systemadmins - Yes, there are a lot of sysadmins out there,
who are not able to see the difference between Linux and Windows
server systems. IMO these people will bring the most power into
debian, if you can motivate them.
Without wish
Hi all,
is there an easy way, to recreate all start- and stopscripts with theire
symlinks ? Hint: Some weeks ago, during an upgrade I changed to sysv-rc as
requested.
Regards
Hans
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Hi community,
well, I think, the main problem is, WHO are the persons, you want to
actiuvate.
During my meanwhile 15 years activity in my it-job, I met mostly several main
groups of people:
Group 1: people, who are not interested, whatever OS they are using, as long
as it is working. They do
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Steffen Möller wrote:
> * Metaphorical speaking: we should give Debian a phone number.
and friendlier face, i.e. entry point to Debian world (www.debian.org)
should suggest the visitor that Debian is "for you" -- now current or
suggested site faces are just overloaded with ju
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> ]] Yaroslav Halchenko
> | Ubuntu popcon historical data being available, so decided to check
> | with you guys first before asking in the derivatives land.
> Have you tried asking them? Mailing webmas...@ubuntu.com should get you
> a reply, I'd imagin
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> I grabbed the data since December 2009 (the file linked as "was
> popularity-contest results" on http://popcon.ubuntu.com/). If that is
> enough for your purposes, I can make it available. I also filed a bug
> on Launchpad [1] to make graphs and hist
Hello!
On 07/20/2010 06:58 AM, Jay Berkenbilt wrote:
> Andrey Ponomarenko wrote:
>
>
>> - "Upstream Tracker". It may be helpful for analyzing risks of libraries
>> updating in the Debian Linux. The service includes more than 100
>> libraries at the moment: OpenSSL, ALSA, glib, cairo, libssh, f
Hello!
On 07/16/2010 02:28 PM, Guus Sliepen wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 03:09:59PM +0400, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote:
>
>
>> The new service for tracking ABI changes in various C/C++ libraries is
>> now available for Linux distribution maintainers and upstream developers
>>
> [...]
>
> I wrote:
>> * Metaphorical speaking: we should give Debian a phone number. And I
>> mean full-time or at least half-time employees. With so many people
>> unemployed these days, I even feel we have the duty to think about
>> creating jobs.
>>
>
On 07/21/2010 03:46 PM, Stephen Powell wrot
On 21/07/10 at 09:46 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
> > * Metaphorical speaking: we should give Debian a phone number. And I
> > mean full-time or at least half-time employees. With so many people
> > unemployed these days, I even feel we have the duty to think about
> > creating jobs.
>
> That's an
Hi,
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 01:05:27PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> We certainly shouldn't stop targetting desktop systems just because
> people prefer to install a Debian derivative. Debian itself is always
> going to have more rough edges than a dedicated end-user-oriented
> distro, because Debi
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 07:42:51 -0400 (EDT), Steffen Möller wrote:
>
> The computing world have become such complex, that we are all mere users
> somewhere. So yes, we should think more about our users.
I suspect that the primary reasons desktop users choose another distribution
over Debian is three
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Programming Lang: Perl
Description
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:10:56 -0400 (EDT), Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> Stephen Powell wrote:
>> I haven't been following this thread closely; so if this idea has been
>> mentioned before, please excuse the duplicate. I actually tried to
>> enable popcon on my servers, but IIRC it requires an MTA
>
[Stephen Powell]
> I haven't been following this thread closely; so if this idea has been
> mentioned before, please excuse the duplicate. I actually tried to
> enable popcon on my servers, but IIRC it requires an MTA
> configured for external e-mail in order to work. The MTA (exim4) on all
> my
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 00:56:29 -0400 (EDT), Christian PERRIER wrote:
>
> There is nothing more we can do to have as many popcon submissions as
> possible, really. If the number is decrasing, this is because the
> number of Debian users who choose to install popcon is
> decreasing. Very probably beca
Paul Wise writes ("Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re:
The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling"):
> binNMU style backports where a maintainer requests an auto-backport
> and the backports team schedules it? That would be nice.
That would be fantastic and dea
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 08:06:56PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Steffen Möller
> wrote:
> > * I know a few who love lenny with backports, so yet, we should somehow
> > integrate that with the blends concept. Could there be a flag in
> > debian/control in some way for
Christian PERRIER writes ("Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is
falling"):
> That number is decreasing. Is that *really* a surprise for anyone?
> These days, in 2010, who is really seriously thinking that, apart from
> a few hardcore geeks, someone who is considering to install a
> L
* Andreas Tille [100721 09:13]:
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 05:18:13PM -0400, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > > I think there should be a popcon mode where it only reports the
> > > installed packages.
> >
> > and it should be the default.
>
> Why? IMHO the number of packages which are *really* used is mu
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: dkms needs a pre-depends entry (Policy 3.5)"):
> Bernd Zeimetz writes:
> > It should as you can't assume that your dependencies are configured when
> > your own package is being configured (Debian Policy 3.5).
>
> That's not correct. You can assume that your dependencie
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: dkms needs a pre-depends entry (Policy 3.5)"):
> This implies to me that the following information in the python-support
> documentation is partially incorrect:
Yes, I think so.
> I believe the only case where you would need to explicitly run
> update-python-modules -p i
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Steffen Möller wrote:
> * I know a few who love lenny with backports, so yet, we should somehow
> integrate that with the blends concept. Could there be a flag in
> debian/control in some way for anything with a compatible debhelper
> version to be auto-backported
Steve Langasek writes ("Re: dkms needs a pre-depends entry (Policy 3.5)"):
> As Ian has described it, yes: lsb-release is not "installed" until after
> the python-support trigger is run, so dpkg will run that trigger before
> trying to move up the stack and configure dkms. And since dkms is not y
> This should probably then move to Debian-Project?
>
> On 07/21/2010 11:31 AM, Andreas Tille wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 05:34:27PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I think that what we need is Debian Blends that include official
>>> backports.
>>> This, no other distribution proposes
This should probably then move to Debian-Project?
On 07/21/2010 11:31 AM, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 05:34:27PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
>
>
>> I think that what we need is Debian Blends that include official backports.
>> This, no other distribution proposes yet.
>>
[Goswin von Brederlow]
> Does Ubuntus popcon report to popcon.d.o?
No. It report to popcon.ubuntu.com.
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On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 05:34:27PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> the number of popcon users unfortunately has not changed much when Lenny was
> released.
Really? From a quick view (not much time to investigate into this
currently) on the graph I have seen some "jumps" and I think I remember
that
Hi,
Yaroslav Halchenko writes:
> I wonder if anyone cron-ed fetching of popcons for derivative
> distributions (e.g. Ubuntu). ubuntu exposes only current status
> http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ and I've not found if there is any way obtain
> historical data (like we have one available for DDs).
I g
On 07/21/2010 09:12 AM, Andreas Tille wrote:
> If you ask me, the decreasing number of popcons is because people are
> bored by a system with old versions of programs and are seeking for
> alternatives and we will see a further decrease until Squeeze will be
> released. So probably the best idea t
]] Yaroslav Halchenko
| I am asking because we thought to plot few plots for our debconf talk.
| UDD also seems to store only current status for popcons of both ubuntu
| and Debian... So I thought that may be someone already did set up some
| cron job to fetch Ubuntu popcons?
Have you tried ask
Le Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 09:12:59AM +0200, Andreas Tille a écrit :
>
> If you ask me, the decreasing number of popcons is because people are
> bored by a system with old versions of programs and are seeking for
> alternatives and we will see a further decrease until Squeeze will be
> released.
Hi
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Does Ubuntus popcon report to popcon.d.o?
No, just to popcon.u.c:
http://patches.ubuntu.com/p/popularity-contest/popularity-contest_1.48ubuntu1.patch
http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
They also currently have almost 20 times as many popcon
Petter Reinholdtsen writes:
> [Jesús M. Navarro]
>> 1) Current reduction from April onwards is statisticallly
>> non-significant with a main trend steadly growing since Aug, 2007.
>
> Could be. Hard to predict the future. :)
>
> I suspect it is a significant reduction, but I do not know the caus
On 2010-07-12 19:33:15 +0100, Julien Cristau wrote:
> We don't have nvidia hardware, so maybe our perception is flawed. If
> people think we should keep that driver, please explain why. If the
> reason is "nouveau doesn't work for me", we'll ignore your reply unless
> it comes with a bugs.freedes
On 20.07.2010 17:26, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
The popularity-contest package also work fine with relatime.
Thanks for bringing this up. I guess we should look at the FAQ or
something to make it clear on this point. Where did you get the idea
that popcon don't work with noatime?
I don't re
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 05:18:13PM -0400, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > I think there should be a popcon mode where it only reports the
> > installed packages.
>
> and it should be the default.
Why? IMHO the number of packages which are *really* used is much more
interesting than all the packages wh
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