Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek writes: > Hello, > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 04:15:35PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> source-only uploads >> --- >> After some discussion about this, there are two opinions within the >> ftp-team about this matter. Given that other distros experience has >> shown

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Robert Collins
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 19:29 -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > I'm not asserting that this problem is *not* significant, I simply don't > know - and am interested in knowing if anyone has more data on this beyond > some four-year-old anecdotes. Certainly, Debian with its wider range of > ports is mor

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:48:53AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 11936 March 1977, Charles Plessy wrote: > > >> source-only uploads > > I am curious on how the rebuild of the architecture-independant packages > > happens. > > That depends on what we get out with in the end. > Probably all buil

Bug#556440: ITP: tuxcmd-modules-unrar -- unrar VFS module for tuxcmd file manager

2009-11-15 Thread Salvatore Bonaccorso
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Salvatore Bonaccorso * Package name: tuxcmd-modules-unrar Version : 0.6.70 Upstream Author : TomáB?atek * URL : http://tuxcmd.sourceforge.net/download.php * License : GPL and non-free RAR license Programming Lang: C/C++

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Steve Langasek
Hello, On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 04:15:35PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > source-only uploads > --- > After some discussion about this, there are two opinions within the > ftp-team about this matter. Given that other distros experience has > shown that allowing source only uploads r

Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 07:13:39AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: > Of course, if no *dm is used, then the system should logically default > to N consoles with the first one on tty1. I'd say that N should, in > such case, be greater than 2. This adds much more complexity to the getty configurati

Re: Clarify rationale for 'debian/rules' shebang line

2009-11-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:20:17PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:12:33PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > > === modified file 'policy.sgml' > > --- policy.sgml 2009-10-21 20:49:37 + > > +++ policy.sgml 2009-10-31 01:10:42 + > > @@ -1725,7 +1725,10 @@ > > > >

Re: Debian means 'closer to Windows'?

2009-11-15 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Marek Artur Penther (marekpent...@aol.com): > When Debian started to mean 'closer to windows'? > I want to use Debian, because I love this OS, but developers cutting this > love > by abadoning i386 arch. Sorry, but Windows making bigger minimal requirments, > and not Debian. And now it's

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Steffen Joeris
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:04:28 pm Carlo Segre wrote: > On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > The current "winning" opinion is to go with the source+throw away > > binaries route. We are close to being able to achieve this, it is > > simply that it has not yet been enabled. Before any versio

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Carlo Segre
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote: The current "winning" opinion is to go with the source+throw away binaries route. We are close to being able to achieve this, it is simply that it has not yet been enabled. Before any version of this can be enabled, buildd autosigning needs to be imple

Re: Bug#556386: ITP: libdigest-sha-pureperl-perl -- Digest::SHA::PurePerl - Perl implementation of SHA-1/224/256/384/512

2009-11-15 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 16, Andres Mejia wrote: > Well, really the only reason why I'm even bothering to package this is > because > I'm working on an assignment which I want to make sure builds and runs on > CentOS and OSX and making Digest::SHA::PurePerl work would be easier for me > than making Digest::SHA

Re: Bug#556386: ITP: libdigest-sha-pureperl-perl -- Digest::SHA::PurePerl - Perl implementation of SHA-1/224/256/384/512

2009-11-15 Thread Andres Mejia
On Sunday 15 November 2009 13:38:01 Jonathan Yu wrote: > On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Peter Samuelson wrote: > > [Andres Mejia] > > > >> Digest::SHA::PurePerl is a complete implementation of the NIST Secure > >> Hash Standard written entirely in Perl. It gives Perl programmers a > >> convenien

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11936 March 1977, Charles Plessy wrote: >> source-only uploads > I am curious on how the rebuild of the architecture-independant packages > happens. That depends on what we get out with in the end. Probably all buildds can build arch:all (so the buildd maintainer wants it), and there will be a

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 04:15:35PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert a écrit : > > source-only uploads Hi Jörg and all the FTP team, fist of all, I want to say a big thank you for all this work. I have given harsh comments for part of it, but I am really grateful for most. I am curious on how the rebuild of

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11935 March 1977, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > NEW/Byhand > -- > Due to the massive changes in the archive, NEW (and also Byhand) had to > be disabled. Certain assumptions made by the processing tools no longer > applied. The last week was used to work on this issue and we think this > will

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:53:02 + Mark Hymers wrote: > On Sun, 15, Nov, 2009 at 02:37:56PM -0500, Joey Hess spoke thus.. > > Andreas Metzler wrote: > > > FWIW dpkg does the smart thing by default. It uses gzip (both > > > for the debian packages and and debian.tar) but searches for both > > > fo

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 04:15:35PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Tracking arch all packages > -- > #246992 asked us to not delete arch all packages before the > corresponding (if any) arch any packages are available for all > architectures. Example: whenever a new source pa

Re: Clarify rationale for 'debian/rules' shebang line

2009-11-15 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:12:33PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > > === modified file 'policy.sgml' > --- policy.sgml 2009-10-21 20:49:37 + > +++ policy.sgml 2009-10-31 01:10:42 + > @@ -1725,7 +1725,10 @@ > > It must start with the line #!/usr/bin/make -f, > so tha

Re: common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-15 Thread sean finney
hi stefano, On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:09:20AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > I understand this problem, but I think you're shooting at the wrong > target. The advanced proposal (beside the aesthetically displeasing > name) is about standardizing a default vendor document root on disk so > tha

Re: YHBT [Was: Re: Debian means 'closer to Windows'?]

2009-11-15 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 03:54:57PM -0300, Mauro Lizaur wrote: > 2009-11-15, Patrick Matthäi: > > Marek Artur Penther schrieb: > > > > > > P.S. I wanted to start donating Debian, but now I'll rather start > > > donating > > > thing which I hate from bottom of heart - Microsoft! > > > Why you doin

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> Then can you (or someone else) please explain what exactly is meant by the > reference to bzip2 for binary packages in the following quote from the > original mail: > ! You can use either gzip as usual or bzip2 for the compression within > ! the binary packages - and now also for the source fi

Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-15 Thread Luca Bruno
Hello, I think the problem only happens for desktop startup. Say you _don't_ start X at boot, this is what happens: - 6 ttys are occupied - startx will use the next free tty7, which is what I expect if I don't specify vt to X. In this case dynamic allocation is good. Say instead you have *dm at

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Frans Pop said: > Mark Hymers wrote: > > I think there's some confusion here between source and binary formats. > > The announcement was referring to bzip2 when used as part of a source > > upload. As far as I can tell from looking in the git logs, dak has > > supporte

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Frans Pop
Mark Hymers wrote: > I think there's some confusion here between source and binary formats. > The announcement was referring to bzip2 when used as part of a source > upload. As far as I can tell from looking in the git logs, dak has > supported data.tar.bz2 since 2005, so I'm surprised that this h

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Mark Hymers
On Sun, 15, Nov, 2009 at 02:37:56PM -0500, Joey Hess spoke thus.. > Andreas Metzler wrote: > > FWIW dpkg does the smart thing by default. It uses gzip (both > > for the debian packages and and debian.tar) but searches for both > > foo_42.orig.tar.bz2 and .gz. Explicitely passing an option is requir

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-11-15, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > If Architecture: all is kept then maybe allow source+all uploads? Those are already possible. If they're allowed is another question, though. Kind regards, Philipp Kern -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subje

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Joey Hess
Joey Hess wrote: > > cu and- happliy using v3 for gnutls -reas > > Please avoid doing so for libtasn1-3. Please ignore above; misread. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Sandro Tosi writes: > Hello Joerg, > thanks for the updates. > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 16:15, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > ... >> source-only uploads >> --- >> After some discussion about this, there are two opinions within the >> ftp-team about this matter.  Given that other distros

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Joey Hess
Andreas Metzler wrote: > FWIW dpkg does the smart thing by default. It uses gzip (both > for the debian packages and and debian.tar) but searches for both > foo_42.orig.tar.bz2 and .gz. Explicitely passing an option is required > to get bz2 compression for binary packages and/or debian.tar. Note t

Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-15 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun,15.Nov.09, 07:13:39, Christian Perrier wrote: > > Not considering the technical backgorund (which is of course an easy > stance), it could be really interesting to have *by default* the > default X session on tty1, when a display manager is used, and > something like 2 other console session

YHBT [Was: Re: Debian means 'closer to Windows'?]

2009-11-15 Thread Mauro Lizaur
2009-11-15, Patrick Matthäi: > Marek Artur Penther schrieb: > > > > P.S. I wanted to start donating Debian, but now I'll rather start donating > > thing which I hate from bottom of heart - Microsoft! > > Why you doing this to me and others? > > > If you are happy with Windows, use it, if not,

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Sandro Tosi
Hello Joerg, thanks for the updates. On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 16:15, Joerg Jaspert wrote: ... > source-only uploads > --- > After some discussion about this, there are two opinions within the > ftp-team about this matter.  Given that other distros experience has > shown that allowi

Re: Bug#556386: ITP: libdigest-sha-pureperl-perl -- Digest::SHA::PurePerl - Perl implementation of SHA-1/224/256/384/512

2009-11-15 Thread Jonathan Yu
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Peter Samuelson wrote: > > [Andres Mejia] >> Digest::SHA::PurePerl is a complete implementation of the NIST Secure Hash >> Standard written entirely in Perl. It gives Perl programmers a convenient way >> to calculate SHA-1, SHA-224, SHA-256, SHA-384, and SHA-512 me

Re: Bug#556386: ITP: libdigest-sha-pureperl-perl -- Digest::SHA::PurePerl - Perl implementation of SHA-1/224/256/384/512

2009-11-15 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Andres Mejia] > Digest::SHA::PurePerl is a complete implementation of the NIST Secure Hash > Standard written entirely in Perl. It gives Perl programmers a convenient way > to calculate SHA-1, SHA-224, SHA-256, SHA-384, and SHA-512 message digests. It > is functionally equivalent to the Digest::S

Re: Debian means 'closer to Windows'?

2009-11-15 Thread Samuel Thibault
Marek Artur Penther, le Sun 15 Nov 2009 16:53:45 +, a écrit : > I want to use Debian, because I love this OS, but developers cutting this > love > by abadoning i386 arch. Do you mean the i386 processor? It's been abandonned by most OSes since quite some time already. Do you really still us

Re: Debian means 'closer to Windows'?

2009-11-15 Thread Andreas Marschke
On Sunday 15 November 2009 17:53:45 Marek Artur Penther wrote: > When Debian started to mean 'closer to windows'? You might confused that with the old Linspire stuff or Ubuntu. Debian never had a reason to really need to be closer to windows. Now I know Ubuntu is basing on Debian but we are still 2

Bug#556386: ITP: libdigest-sha-pureperl-perl -- Digest::SHA::PurePerl - Perl implementation of SHA-1/224/256/384/512

2009-11-15 Thread Andres Mejia
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andres Mejia * Package name: libdigest-sha-pureperl-perl Version : 5.47 Upstream Author : Mark Shelor * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Digest-SHA-PurePerl/ * License : Perl, GPL+1 Programming Lang: Perl Descripti

Re: Debian means 'closer to Windows'?

2009-11-15 Thread Kumar Appaiah
Dear Marek, On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 04:53:45PM +, Marek Artur Penther wrote: > When Debian started to mean 'closer to windows'? > I want to use Debian, because I love this OS, but developers cutting this > love > by abadoning i386 arch. Sorry, but Windows making bigger minimal requirments,

Re: Debian means 'closer to Windows'?

2009-11-15 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 04:53:45PM +, Marek Artur Penther wrote: > I want to use Debian, because I love this OS, but developers cutting this > love > by abadoning i386 arch. Sorry, but Windows making bigger minimal requirments, > and not Debian. And now it's changed? > So why you cutting me

Re: Debian means 'closer to Windows'?

2009-11-15 Thread Patrick Matthäi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marek Artur Penther schrieb: > When Debian started to mean 'closer to windows'? > I want to use Debian, because I love this OS, but developers cutting this > love > by abadoning i386 arch. Sorry, but Windows making bigger minimal requirments, > and

Debian means 'closer to Windows'?

2009-11-15 Thread Marek Artur Penther
When Debian started to mean 'closer to windows'? I want to use Debian, because I love this OS, but developers cutting this love by abadoning i386 arch. Sorry, but Windows making bigger minimal requirments, and not Debian. And now it's changed? And this new minimal requirments making my computer c

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Andreas Metzler
Frans Pop wrote: > On Sunday 15 November 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> dpkg v3 source format, compression [...] > Is there a policy for the use of bzip2? > As discussed earlier bzip2 is *much* slower that gzip and really hurts on > slower arches and systems, so I'd suggest that - especially for

Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

2009-11-15 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 15 November 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > dpkg v3 source format, compression > -- > As many already noticed, our archive now additionally supports 3.0 > (quilt) and 3.0 (native) source package formats. You can use either > gzip as usual or bzip2 for the com

Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-15 Thread Gabor Gombas
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 03:45:11PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > * For desktop machines, the display manager starts on tty7, which > means there is a tty switch to display it. This causes a small > latency and can also create some bugs when you’re using a > graphic

Bug#556363: ITP: libdata-dumper-concise-perl -- module for more shorter Data::Dumper-like output

2009-11-15 Thread Jonathan Yu
Package: wnpp Owner: Jonathan Yu Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org,debian-p...@lists.debian.org * Package name: libdata-dumper-concise-perl Version : 1.001 Upstream Author : Matt S. Trout * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Data-Dumper-Con

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-15 Thread Bill Allombert
Hello, I would like to move the discussion to debian-vote where it belongs. I'd like to apologize to have started this cross-post in the first place. (please CC me). On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 04:04:49AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > If you modify a GPL-licensed software and distribute the modif

Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-15 Thread Michael Banck
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:06:27PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > If Fedora jumps off a cliff (I wouldn't put it past them ;-) should we > do it? No, but what does this have to do with the current thread? Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-15 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 12:36 +0100, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:29:33 +0100, Thilo Six wrote: > > > Christian Perrier wrote the following on 15.11.2009 07:13 > > > > > Not considering the technical backgorund (which is of course an easy > > > stance), it could be really inte

Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-15 Thread Julien Cristau
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:29:33 +0100, Thilo Six wrote: > Christian Perrier wrote the following on 15.11.2009 07:13 > > > Not considering the technical backgorund (which is of course an easy > > stance), it could be really interesting to have *by default* the > > default X session on tty1, when

Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-15 Thread Thilo Six
Hello Christian Perrier wrote the following on 15.11.2009 07:13 > Quoting Kurt Roeckx (k...@roeckx.be): > >>> * I don't think we need more than 2 of these. They are still >>> useful for servers or when some disaster happens in the GUI, but >>> who opens 6 console sessions n