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Inadvertently, a draft copy of an email written in anger, and
not meant to be actually sent, was sent to the mailing list, instead
of a more reasoned response.
For that I apologize. You may see from the second response what
I meant to be public response, and the first emai
On Thu, Aug 13 2009, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 02:31:53PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
>> Hmm. As my memory serves me, the statement was:
>>
>> Message-Id: <125014.23574.10.ca...@shizuru>
>> Fine. It's been several years now that managing the standards
On Thu, Aug 13 2009, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 02:31:53PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
>> Hmm. As my memory serves me, the statement was:
>>
>> Message-Id: <125014.23574.10.ca...@shizuru>
>> Fine. It's been several years now that managing the standards
Le Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 02:31:53PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
> Hmm. As my memory serves me, the statement was:
>
> Message-Id: <125014.23574.10.ca...@shizuru>
> Fine. It's been several years now that managing the standards
> version has been an unconditional bump for
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested
through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the
last week.
Total number of orphaned packages: 443 (new: 81)
Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 127 (new: 5)
Total number of packages reques
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 06:53:04PM -0400, Jonathan Yu wrote:
> 2009/8/12 Leinier Cruz Salfran :
> > hello dd.
> >
> > 1- can i use 'piuparts' within 'pbuilder'?
> For what it's worth, Ryan Niebur (Ryan52) -- NM and DD candidate --
> has managed to hack piuparts to run inside a sbuild chroot.
Sound
Hi:
2009/8/12 Leinier Cruz Salfran :
> hello dd.
>
> 1- can i use 'piuparts' within 'pbuilder'?
For what it's worth, Ryan Niebur (Ryan52) -- NM and DD candidate --
has managed to hack piuparts to run inside a sbuild chroot. It runs
fairly slow (takes a few minutes) but isn't totally intolerable. I
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:17:55PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> First, the naming:
> It is indeed us Ftpmasters who want them named .ddeb. For two reasons -
> a simple one is that it makes the handling much easier, if you can match
> on *.ddeb$. Another one is that they aren't "real" debs like .de
Russ Allbery wrote:
> The only lingering concern that I have about a share is how it plays with
> the files installed on your system via package. Can gdb be pointed to
> multiple different debug information stores at different paths? Mounting
> a remote share over top of /usr/lib/debug obviously
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 02:08:58PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Emilio Pozuelo Monfort writes:
>
> > I've been playing with WebDAV, which is an extension to HTTP. So I guess
> > that will work with firewalls?
>
> Yes, it should.
>
> The only lingering concern that I have about a share is how it
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort writes:
> I've been playing with WebDAV, which is an extension to HTTP. So I guess
> that will work with firewalls?
Yes, it should.
The only lingering concern that I have about a share is how it plays with
the files installed on your system via package. Can gdb be pointe
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 06:04:34PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> retitle 485330 Allow context diff in debian/patches/ in 3.0 (quilt) format
> thanks
>
> On Thu, 06 Aug 2009, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > That said, yes, using non-unified diff is as laughable as using RCS or
> > SCCS nowadays. Thoug
On torsdagen den 30 juli 2009, Russell Coker wrote:
> http://domainkeys.sourceforge.net/license/softwarelicense1-1.html
>
> I've packaged libdomainkeys for internal use and am considering adding a
> package that depends on it to Debian/Unstable. Is the domainkeys license
> suitable for inclusion i
Philipp Kern wrote:
> On 2009-08-13, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
>>> Maybe you should spend some time and read the thread before stating such
>>> things.
>> Really? So, they are already first-class deb packages?
>
> Maybe you should spend some time and read the thread before stating such
> thing
On Thu, Aug 13 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> If you think one should address content, and specific actions,
>> not personalities, your message does tend to inject personalities into
>> the discussion. Please cease doing so.
>
> Well, why a
On 2009-08-13, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
>> Maybe you should spend some time and read the thread before stating such
>> things.
> Really? So, they are already first-class deb packages?
Maybe you should spend some time and read the thread before stating such things.
> What percent of their (and
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:04:31AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Roger Leigh wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10:43AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >> On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Neil Williams wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:22:17 -0500
> >> > Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> If you think one should address content, and specific actions,
> not personalities, your message does tend to inject personalities into
> the discussion. Please cease doing so.
Well, why are mentioning the topic of removing DD status to inco
Leinier Cruz Salfran wrote:
> hello dd.
>
> 1- can i use 'piuparts' within 'pbuilder'?
You should be able to, but I guess it takes *way* tooo much time to be useful.
Have a look at the pbuilder hook examples in /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples -
they do some minimal testing and are what I definit
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hello dd.
1- can i use 'piuparts' within 'pbuilder'?
2- is required use 'piuparts' in order to upload a package?
i'm not sure .. waiting
;)
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Emilio Pozuelo Monfort writes:
> Russ Allbery wrote:
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptElfDebugSymbols is the specification. It
>> does use *.ddeb. There isn't any clear statement about how *.ddeb
>> packages differ from *.deb packages. It looks like, by and large, they
>> don't, except they may n
Philipp Kern writes:
> And I have to agree with Emilio that I don't see the point of a 1:1
> relationship of ddeb to binary package just for the sake of library
> transitions. I wonder if we could just unpack the debugging build-id
> objects to some other location than globally and point gdb to
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
> Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
>> Hello thread! /me puts on a package manager developer hat.
>>
>> Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread, it's huge.
>>
>> I think that diversion of debug packages out of current deb format is a
>> completely wrong direction. Do you want
Romain Beauxis (13/08/2009):
> Le jeudi 13 août 2009 00:09:09, Cyril Brulebois a écrit :
> > Romain Beauxis (12/08/2009):
> > > Is it foolish to propose this as a lintian check ? "Hey, standards
> > > version is outdated, here are the changes that ought to be done"
> >
> > checks/standards-vers
Russ Allbery wrote:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptElfDebugSymbols is the specification. It does
> use *.ddeb. There isn't any clear statement about how *.ddeb packages
> differ from *.deb packages. It looks like, by and large, they don't,
> except they may not need to contain the same set of thin
On Thu, Aug 13 2009, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
> Yes, dpkg, apt-get, aptitude and synaptic all work perfectly fine.
The debug command addresses my concerns here.
> As I've said, there will still be a debug archive. I don't see what's
> the problem with providing *both* an archive an
Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> Hello thread! /me puts on a package manager developer hat.
>
> Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread, it's huge.
>
> I think that diversion of debug packages out of current deb format is a
> completely wrong direction. Do you want to teach all tools that get some inf
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Hello thread! /me puts on a package manager developer hat.
Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread, it's huge.
I think that diversion of debug packages out of current deb format is a
completely wrong direction. Do you want to teach all tools that get some info
about Debian packages that there is n
On Thu, Aug 13 2009, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On 2009-08-13, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> track of a simple version, I suggest we start thinking about removing
>> DD status from people based on a track record of incompetence.
>
> Yes please.
>
> But looking at S-V as a primary factor here is not the
On Thu, Aug 13 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> If there are people not managing their Standards Versions fields
>> like they are supposed to, and are too lazy or incompetent to keep
>> track of a simple version, I suggest we start thinking a
Roger Leigh wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 02:58:45AM +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
>> Roger Leigh wrote:
>>> This fails to address the rather valid concern brought up about
>>> having different versions of libraries and binaries installed
>>> from the same source package. Having one .dde
Julien Cristau wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 02:58:45 +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
>
>> If that bothers you, you can use the share we plan to provide.
>>
> I'd like to still be able to debug offline, thank you very much. So far
> you've avoided answering the question, though: why one d
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
>
>
>> There will still be a repository with all the .ddebs.
>
> And aptitude and dpkg will know how to install ddebs, somehow?
> and synaptic, etc?
Yes, dpkg, apt-get, aptitude and synaptic all work perfectly
Hi!
On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 11:15:37 +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> Raphael Hertzog writes:
> > > BTW also Maintainer and Uploader fiels are uselessly exported.
> >
> > Same here, they are used. While in stable the info might not be up-to-date,
> > in sid it does and those infos are used by the P
Hi all,
I'm going to orphan Ayman's packages.
If and when he'll come back he can upload the package closing the O
bugs, and/or ask comaintainershp for the packages that someone else
would have taken.
Regards,
Sandro
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 13:38, Michael Prokop wrote:
> [Cc-ing Ayman]
>
> Sandro
[Cc-ing Ayman]
Sandro Tosi wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 07:46, Rince wrote:
>> Ayman Negm is the maintainer of, among others, the gddrescue package.
>> The package hasn't been touched by him since 2006, and several bugs
>> about it have required NMUs by other people.
> Ayman is been tracked
On 2009-08-13, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> Ah, and it looks like the automated crash reporting offers to download the
>> -dbgsym packages and install them.
> Reading the spec, it seems to me that the primary motivation was
> for users to provide crash dumps with bug reports, and not much s
Russ Allbery wrote:
> Hm, that's interesting, but I suspect that few enough of our users will be
> able to use such a thing that we shouldn't let that influence any other
> design choices. Most shares are not going to be able to be mounted
> through firewalls, for example, so that form of the debu
Le Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:22:45PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
>
> ? I just use zless on that file and stop reading when I get to the
> current Standards-Version of the package, but that would automate it.
>
> This is, indeed, exactly the use of the Standards-Version field that both
> Manoj an
On 2009-08-13 11:32:17 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> Not having anything to do with Ubuntu, I don't know anything about the
> details, but they have had automatic debug packages and automated
> crash report stuff for quite a while, a couple of years IIRC. The
> specs for that are here:
>
> https://lau
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Raphael Hertzog writes:
>> BTW also Maintainer and Uploader fiels are uselessly exported.
>
> Same here, they are used. While in stable the info might not be up-to-date,
> in sid it does and those infos are used by the PTS.
What about exposing them in the Source file for /unstable/ *only*, and
l
On 2009-08-13, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> track of a simple version, I suggest we start thinking about removing
> DD status from people based on a track record of incompetence.
Yes please.
But looking at S-V as a primary factor here is not the right thing.
More like "frequently introduces rc b
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> If there are people not managing their Standards Versions fields
> like they are supposed to, and are too lazy or incompetent to keep
> track of a simple version, I suggest we start thinking about removing
> DD status from people based on a
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >> I do not have a strong opinion about this, apart from the fact
> >> that it must be present in the sources when someone is looking to
> >> update the package, an
Le jeudi 13 août 2009 à 00:51 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
> If there are people not managing their Standards Versions fields
> like they are supposed to, and are too lazy or incompetent to keep
> track of a simple version, I suggest we start thinking about removing
> DD status from
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