Frans Pop wrote:
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
>> The embedded crowd would want to find a way to get rid of bash, though,
>> and trying to make bash a non-essential package seems like a worthwile
>> effort because of that. It can even be reasonably automated, since you
>> can rgrep /bin/bas
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:03:01 +0200
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* Giacomo A. Catenazzi:
> but policy recommend not to use bash features on scripts (10.3),
> and the availability of a POSIX-shell (with few extension) is
> already provided by policy (still 10.3), thus no need to add
> package dependencies.
"When in doubt, use /bin/bash" isn't really a recommend
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 04:52:52PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > As I understand it, the performance drawbacks of a shared library are:
> > 1) The PIC code and its use of a GOT. Given that we're talking about a
> >PIC static library, this is not relevant.
> The argument was that a shared
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Am Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:13:55 + (UTC)
schrieb Philipp Kern :
> On 2009-07-21, Christian Hammers wrote:
> > First, thanks for the long answer, Wouter!
> >
> > To wrap it up:
> > * static libraries are a PITA in case of security problems
> > * static libraries are a PITA for other projects as t
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 01:22:47PM +, Clint Adams wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 06:14:27AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > Except that every package in Debian that explicitly uses bash has no
> > declared dependency on bash because it's essential. I think attempting to
> > go through and add
On 2009-07-21, Christian Hammers wrote:
> First, thanks for the long answer, Wouter!
>
> To wrap it up:
> * static libraries are a PITA in case of security problems
> * static libraries are a PITA for other projects as they have no versions
> * shared libraries with self chosen soname or --releas
Hello
On 2009-07-21 Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:40:17AM +0200, Christian Hammers wrote:
> > Am Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:18:23 +0100
> > schrieb Roger Leigh :
> > > If other libraries are including this library, then why is libmysqld
> > > not being provided as a properly-version
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On 21/07/2009 James Vega wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 02:08:26PM -0400, Jonathan Yu wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:11 PM, James Vega wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:44:07AM -0400, Jonathan Yu wrote:
> > >> Better yet, if we could periodically run it on all of the modules in
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 02:08:26PM -0400, Jonathan Yu wrote:
> Hi James:
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:11 PM, James Vega wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:44:07AM -0400, Jonathan Yu wrote:
> >> Better yet, if we could periodically run it on all of the modules in
> >> our SVN repository (pkg-p
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 05:51:02PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach gregor herrmann [2009.07.21.1736 +0200]:
> > But I have to admit that I run it very rarely because it takes way
> > too long (including the time to unpack pbuilder's base.tgz).
>
> Has anyone integrated it with sbuild?
Hi James:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:11 PM, James Vega wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:44:07AM -0400, Jonathan Yu wrote:
>> Better yet, if we could periodically run it on all of the modules in
>> our SVN repository (pkg-perl) and display the logs, then it would give
>> us a nice to-do list of
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> The embedded crowd would want to find a way to get rid of bash, though,
> and trying to make bash a non-essential package seems like a worthwile
> effort because of that. It can even be reasonably automated, since you
> can rgrep /bin/bash to find out scripts t
Raphael Geissert wrote:
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
It is not like you will be able to remove bash from the vast majority of
the Debian systems out there anyway, so it doesn't matter if it remains
"essential" for a while.
The goal of dropping bash from essential is not to remove bash fr
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
>
> It is not like you will be able to remove bash from the vast majority of
> the Debian systems out there anyway, so it doesn't matter if it remains
> "essential" for a while.
The goal of dropping bash from essential is not to remove bash from the
systems (or
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:44:07 -0400, Jonathan Yu wrote:
> > But I have to admit that I run it very rarely because it takes way
> > too long (including the time to unpack pbuilder's base.tgz).
> In that case, using cowbuilder instead could work,
#389223
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Russ Allbery wrote:
> "Giacomo A. Catenazzi" writes:
> > But probably for the shell cases it is easier to remove 'essential'
> > flag (especially for a minimal nearly POSIX-like shell like dash),
> > because the interface of #!/bin/sh is defined in policy (10.3).
>
> Except t
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:44:07AM -0400, Jonathan Yu wrote:
> Better yet, if we could periodically run it on all of the modules in
> our SVN repository (pkg-perl) and display the logs, then it would give
> us a nice to-do list of things to look at.
http://piuparts.debian.org/sid/maintainer/p/pkg-
Jonathan Yu wrote:
> I'd like to see a feature to use cowbuilder's chroot instead, though I
> don't know of the technical challenges there. Certainly such a feature
> would make it easier to use and thus run more often.
That would be useful. It requires adding explicit support in piuparts
(with th
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 08:44:41PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> Do you know any tools or teams using tools that, like lintian,
> automatically check packages (or whatever it is that the team is
> working on) and thereby helps to maintain a common baseline?
Emdebian is using edos-debcheck to ve
also sprach gregor herrmann [2009.07.21.1736 +0200]:
> But I have to admit that I run it very rarely because it takes way
> too long (including the time to unpack pbuilder's base.tgz).
Has anyone integrated it with sbuild? After all, couldn't it just
use the current chroot in which a package was
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:36 AM, gregor herrmann wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:22:07 +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
>
>> Largely due to the need of maintaining a full chroot just for its
>> use, I thought piuparts had too high of a barrier of
>> entry/maintenance to be used by everyone. Am I comp
martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Lars Wirzenius [2009.07.21.1527 +0200]:
piuparts is _intended_ to be run by every uploader, actually. Or
at least that was my intention back when I wrote it.
Okay, that wasn't my impression, sorry for spreading FUD.
Largely due to the need of maintaining a
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:22:07 +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> Largely due to the need of maintaining a full chroot just for its
> use, I thought piuparts had too high of a barrier of
> entry/maintenance to be used by everyone. Am I completely wrong?
It can use pbuilder's chroot, and pbuilder --cre
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 05:22:07PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Lars Wirzenius [2009.07.21.1527 +0200]:
> > piuparts is _intended_ to be run by every uploader, actually. Or
> > at least that was my intention back when I wrote it.
>
> Okay, that wasn't my impression, sorry for sprea
also sprach Lars Wirzenius [2009.07.21.1527 +0200]:
> piuparts is _intended_ to be run by every uploader, actually. Or
> at least that was my intention back when I wrote it.
Okay, that wasn't my impression, sorry for spreading FUD.
Largely due to the need of maintaining a full chroot just for it
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 09:17:28AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>
> [Wouter Verhelst]
> > Whether we should recommend using static libraries is another matter
> > entirely; indeed performance does go down a teeny weeny bit when using
> > shared libraries, but the difference shouldn't be *that* la
Russ Allbery wrote:
"Giacomo A. Catenazzi" writes:
But probably for the shell cases it is easier to remove 'essential'
flag (especially for a minimal nearly POSIX-like shell like dash),
because the interface of #!/bin/sh is defined in policy (10.3).
Except that every package in Debian that e
[Wouter Verhelst]
> Whether we should recommend using static libraries is another matter
> entirely; indeed performance does go down a teeny weeny bit when using
> shared libraries, but the difference shouldn't be *that* large; if it
> is, that probably means they're using a twisty maze of functio
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On 2009-04-24 13:53, Frans Pop wrote:
On Friday 24 April 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
Florian Lohoff wrote:
rdate ist not a replacement for ntpdate - it does not use the ntp
protocol but the time protocol (builtin inetd) - So making
ntpdate depend on rdate is not a solution as it changes the protocol
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:40:17AM +0200, Christian Hammers wrote:
> Am Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:18:23 +0100
> schrieb Roger Leigh :
> > If other libraries are including this library, then why is libmysqld
> > not being provided as a properly-versioned shared object?
>
> Upstream, in this case Monty hi
ti, 2009-07-21 kello 15:19 +0200, martin f krafft kirjoitti:
> Several people also hinted at piuparts, but that's not exactly what
> I wanted, since piuparts is really more of a general quality
> assurance tool, intended mostly to be run by few people over many
> packages, whereas lintian and packa
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 06:14:27AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Except that every package in Debian that explicitly uses bash has no
> declared dependency on bash because it's essential. I think attempting to
> go through and add all those dependencies and test would be a huge waste
> of time and
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 07:38:54AM +, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On 2009-07-21, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > The long wait is the signing, not the dinstall run. Even without
> > accepted dinstall runs 4 times a day now.
> >
> > But I have to say I'm totaly against unsigned uploads. The buildds a
also sprach Thomas Koch [2009.07.21.1454 +0200]:
> are you interested only in Debian-Teams?
Mostly, but …
> The eZComponents project[0] uses codesniffer[1] to check for coding styles,
> e.g. indentation, necessary documentation blocks, deprecated php functions.
… thanks for the pointer.
Thus
"Giacomo A. Catenazzi" writes:
> But probably for the shell cases it is easier to remove 'essential'
> flag (especially for a minimal nearly POSIX-like shell like dash),
> because the interface of #!/bin/sh is defined in policy (10.3).
Except that every package in Debian that explicitly uses bas
Hi Martin,
are you interested only in Debian-Teams?
The eZComponents project[0] uses codesniffer[1] to check for coding styles,
e.g. indentation, necessary documentation blocks, deprecated php functions.
Beste Gruesse,
Thomas
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:40:17AM +0200, Christian Hammers wrote:
> So I try to get this working on Debian, too, and create a libmysqld0
> package with a shared library instead. Speaking of it, which soname
> version should I give it? 0.0.0? Or something like 0.5137.0 to somehow
> encode a version
Hello
Jonathan Yu writes:
> I see these two tools as complementary, rather than competing,
> technologies. You can use the data parsed via Augeas (which to me
> seems like more of a lexer/tokenizer part, kind of like what yacc/lex
> do) to get data from the file using a grammar.
Indeed. From a
Joey Hess writes:
> Installing third party debhelper commands won't break anything in
> debhelper, but nor will dh automatically call random such commands. See
> the sequence addon information in debhelper's PROGRAMMING file for
> information about adding third-party commands to dh command sequen
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:59 +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
[snip]
> The Desktop Notifications framework provides a standard way of doing
> passive pop-up notifications on the Linux desktop. These are
> designed to notify the user of something without interrupting their
> work with a dialog
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Hey folks,
As part of my research[0], I have two questions:
Do you know any tools or teams using tools that, like lintian,
automatically check packages (or whatever it is that the team is
working on) and thereby helps to maintain a common base
On 2009-07-21, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Philipp Kern writes:
>
>> On 2009-07-20, Stéphane Glondu wrote:
>>> For example, each OCaml transition involve rebuilding a lot of packages
>>> (about 139), with 6 levels of dependencies. So if some build takes 2
>>> days or more (for the current tra
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