Re: About the current state of the Yum package in Lenny

2009-04-16 Thread Luk Claes
Thomas Goirand wrote: > Hi, > > I'm sorry that it took us so much time to make a working yum package, > but we were quite overloaded with our work, taking over all the > customers of another web hosting company (taking all our time doing > support). Anyway, I could today take the time to upload a

Work-needing packages report for Apr 17, 2009

2009-04-16 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 402 (new: 1) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 119 (new: 0) Total number of packages request

Bug#524421: ITP: katimon -- KDE ATI Graphics Card Monitor

2009-04-16 Thread Stefanos Harhalakis
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Stefanos Harhalakis * Package name: katimon Version : 1.0.2 Upstream Author : Stefanos Harhalakis * URL : http://www.v13.gr/proj/katimon/ * License : GPLv2 Programming Lang: Python Description : KDE ATI Graphics

Re: reassign 524276 to general, forcibly merging 524286 524276, tagging 524276

2009-04-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Donnerstag, 16. April 2009, Don Armstrong wrote: > > reassign 524276 general > > forcemerge 524286 524276 > > tags 524276 moreinfo > > why did you reassign them to general? 524276 and 524286 have to be in the same package to be merged. If you think t

Re: reassign 524276 to general, forcibly merging 524286 524276, tagging 524276

2009-04-16 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Don, On Donnerstag, 16. April 2009, Don Armstrong wrote: > reassign 524276 general > forcemerge 524286 524276 > tags 524276 moreinfo why did you reassign them to general? why are these bugs a general problem in Debian which is not related to any particular package? (you probably wanted to re

Re: debian/copyright verbosity

2009-04-16 Thread Ben Finney
Neil McGovern writes: > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:53:58PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > That would be premature. As I understand it, we're waiting on (and I'm > > actively soliciting) input for other purposes of the information in the > > ‘debian/copyright’ file; not least from the legal counsel

Bug#524286: closed by m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) (Re: Bug#524286: general: kernel modules does not automatically load)

2009-04-16 Thread luca boncompagni
Hi all, I think that the bug #523187 is the real problem. I solved my problem unistalling splashy. Thanks, Luca On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Debian Bug Tracking System < ow...@bugs.debian.org> wrote: > > This is an automatic notification regarding your Bug report > which was filed against t

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:50:12PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I think we need to enumerate some goals for this proposed > change. Here is a start: > > - Minimal disruption for current packages. The impact should be >measured by numbers of packages impacted > At this point, I would say

Bug#524394: ITP: wakeupmanager -- System to boot and shutdown hosts on demand

2009-04-16 Thread Maximilian Wilhelm
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Maximilian Wilhelm * Package name: wakeupmanager Version : 0.9.4 Upstream Author : Maximilian Wilhelm * URL : http://wum.rfc2324.org / https://rfc2324.org/redmine/projects/show/wum * License : GPL Programming Lang: P

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Apr 16 2009, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> - Ability to recognize and render the following logical entities, in >>decreasing order of importance: >>+ unordered lists >>+ ordered lists > > really needed? I would think these are the guts of this

Bug#524286: general: kernel modules does not automatically load

2009-04-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Apr 16, Holger Levsen wrote: > > Marco, if this is not a udev bug, please reassign it to the proper > > package, but dont make users workaround you. Also note that 524276 > > is about udev in stable, which is not etch anymore. > > I have no reason to b

Processed: reassign 524276 to general, forcibly merging 524286 524276, tagging 524276

2009-04-16 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > reassign 524276 general Bug#524276: udev not loading hardware modules Bug reassigned from package `udev' to `general'. > forcemerge 524286 524276 Bug#524286: general: kernel modules does not automatically load Bug#524276: udev not loading hardwar

reassign 524276 to general, forcibly merging 524286 524276, tagging 524276

2009-04-16 Thread Don Armstrong
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Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava wrote: > - Ability to recognize and render the following logical entities, in >decreasing order of importance: >+ unordered lists >+ ordered lists really needed? >+ emphasis >+ strong emphasis >+ definition l

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, I think we need to enumerate some goals for this proposed change. Here is a start: - Minimal disruption for current packages. The impact should be measured by numbers of packages impacted + Any specification of which of *, +, - to use as th first level item will impact mo

Re: Bug#524286: general: kernel modules does not automatically load

2009-04-16 Thread B. L. Jilek
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Apr 16, Holger Levsen wrote: > > > Marco, if this is not a udev bug, please reassign it to the proper > package, > > but dont make users workaround you. Also note that 524276 is about udev > in > > stable, which is not etch anymore. > I h

Re: Item lists bulletting (was: Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-16 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Lars Wirzenius (l...@liw.fi): > to, 2009-04-16 kello 08:42 +0200, Christian Perrier kirjoitti: > > I have never been able to find any such solid reference for English. > > There is probably something in the Chicago Manual of Style, that's > > generally accepted as the Right Reference for en

Re: dash as default /bin/sh and bashisms-free archive RGs

2009-04-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Apr 16 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mercredi 15 avril 2009 à 23:05 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : >> So, no, policy does not just document current practice. Policy >> tries to document what is right. > > I think it should be both. When we do things right, they should be >

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Oh, markdown is only confused when you have `two' `words' quoted like this, wqhen there is only one such quote in the package, we are fine. This package contains the programs `abc2midi' which So, less than 149 instances of the tag where we want none. manoj findi

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Apr 16 2009, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>> my initial posting. Detecting these would need either a defined >>> character or a defined spacing (IMHO an 'and' would be better than >>> a non-exclusive 'or' here). >> >>Umm. I am not sure tha

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Apr 16 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 04:01:20AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> Umm. I am not sure that follows. I am also not convinced we need >> to invent our own rules. Text::Markdown or Text::MultiMarkdown could >> help. And they do not seem to hav

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Apr 16 2009, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Ben Finney wrote: > >> Note that, like Manoj, I'm suggesting only a *subset*, not the full >> specification. > > Well, in this thread we had several suggestions reaching from complete > change to different format up to "not in detail

Bug#524286: marked as done (general: kernel modules does not automatically load)

2009-04-16 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:11:58 +0200 with message-id <20090416151158.ga13...@bongo.bofh.it> and subject line Re: Bug#524286: general: kernel modules does not automatically load has caused the Debian Bug report #524286, regarding general: kernel modules does not automatically load to

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Apr 16 2009, Ben Finney wrote: > (following up on IRC discussion) > > Manoj Srivastava writes: > >> I suggest we follow a convention and tool set already in place, >> with multiple language bindings, if you must insist on adding rules to >> the long description. >> >> T

Re: Bug#524286: general: kernel modules does not automatically load

2009-04-16 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Apr 16, Holger Levsen wrote: > Marco, if this is not a udev bug, please reassign it to the proper package, > but dont make users workaround you. Also note that 524276 is about udev in > stable, which is not etch anymore. I have no reason to believe that there is a bug (hint: "my computer is

Re: Bug#524286: general: kernel modules does not automatically load

2009-04-16 Thread Holger Levsen
reassign 524286 udev thanks On Donnerstag, 16. April 2009, Luca Boncompagni wrote: > Package: general > I try to open this as and udev bug (#524276) but Marco closed it because he > think that this is not an udev bug. I'm speechless. (About users filing bugs against the wrong package because the

Re: debian/copyright verbosity

2009-04-16 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:53:58PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > That would be premature. As I understand it, we're waiting on (and I'm > actively soliciting) input for other purposes of the information in the > ‘debian/copyright’ file; not least from the legal counsel at SPI. > I could be wrong, bu

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-16 Thread Julien Cristau
On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 10:18 +0200, Gabor Gombas wrote: > ...except with latest hal/X.org/whatever it also stopped working. Latest > X.org pulled in console-setup, and now the settings under > /etc/hal/fdi/policy get ignored. What a mess. that's called a bug. ranting on mailing lists doesn't do an

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 16 avril 2009 à 15:06 +0200, Bjørn Mork a écrit : > >> a) laptop keys remapped or disappearing (might be caused by the driver - > >>I don't know) > > > > Yes, they are remapped to the standard XF86* names, so that applications > > configuring shortcuts can have sensible defaults. > >

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-16 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette writes: > Le jeudi 16 avril 2009 à 00:34 +0200, Bjørn Mork a écrit : >> My list of hal related regressions are >> a) laptop keys remapped or disappearing (might be caused by the driver - >>I don't know) > > Yes, they are remapped to the standard XF86* names, so that applicatio

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Ben Finney wrote: Note that, like Manoj, I'm suggesting only a *subset*, not the full specification. Well, in this thread we had several suggestions reaching from complete change to different format up to "not in detail specified" subsets of other formats. IMHO this does

Re: dash as default /bin/sh and bashisms-free archive RGs

2009-04-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 15 avril 2009 à 23:05 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > So, no, policy does not just document current practice. Policy > tries to document what is right. I think it should be both. When we do things right, they should be specified in the Policy, and there’s no point specifyi

Re: dash as default /bin/sh and bashisms-free archive RGs

2009-04-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 15 avril 2009 à 17:12 -0500, Raphael Geissert a écrit : > Then there must be some sort of missunderstanding. My intention was not to > troll, but to demonstrate the implications of what you said. I would like > to apologise for my previous message as I had understood something > complet

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney writes: > (following up on IRC discussion) > > Manoj Srivastava writes: > > > I suggest, for readability, to use a subset of markdown; the > > link and image tags are not that human readable. > > reStructuredText http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html> (reST) > is, I arg

Re: Yes, we have bugs

2009-04-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 16 avril 2009 à 01:25 +0200, Luca Niccoli a écrit : > I think I (and the other people who are against X dependency on hal) > have been pretty clear on the fact that we would just like an > alternative, not to kick hal away (we're not stupid nor crazy). I > think this would be good for debi

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: my initial posting. Detecting these would need either a defined character or a defined spacing (IMHO an 'and' would be better than a non-exclusive 'or' here). Umm. I am not sure that follows. I am also not convinced we need to invent our own

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 16 avril 2009 à 00:34 +0200, Bjørn Mork a écrit : > My list of hal related regressions are > a) laptop keys remapped or disappearing (might be caused by the driver - >I don't know) Yes, they are remapped to the standard XF86* names, so that applications configuring shortcuts can have

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 04:01:20AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Umm. I am not sure that follows. I am also not convinced we need > to invent our own rules. Text::Markdown or Text::MultiMarkdown could > help. And they do not seem to have issues with recognizing > indentation/differen

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Ben Finney
(following up on IRC discussion) Manoj Srivastava writes: > I suggest we follow a convention and tool set already in place, > with multiple language bindings, if you must insist on adding rules to > the long description. > > There are alternatives (Text::Textile comes to mind)

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Apr 16 2009, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>Any script should be able to take the top 4 symbols currently >> used, and be able to detect them. I think *, +, - and o cover most >> packages, and the scripts in question can be readily expanded

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-16 Thread Gabor Gombas
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:25:36AM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: > I still haven't got a clue how to really fix this, but have resorted to > this for now: > > > > > > pc105 > no > > > ...except with latest hal/X.org/whatever it also stopped working. Latest X.org pulled

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Michael Banck
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 02:34:52AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Having sad that, I would not be averse to specifying that leading > white space and *, +, and - would be acceptable as bullet marks (I > thought specifying which mark at which level was overspecification). Why don't we

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Any script should be able to take the top 4 symbols currently used, and be able to detect them. I think *, +, - and o cover most packages, and the scripts in question can be readily expanded. All kinds of markup languages already do something

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Apr 16 2009, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>Do we really have nothing better to do than to impose >> bureaucratic rules on what characters to use as bullet symbols in long >> descriptions even if the user can tell that the character is a bul

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-04-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Do we really have nothing better to do than to impose bureaucratic rules on what characters to use as bullet symbols in long descriptions even if the user can tell that the character is a bullet? The user can tell, but scripts can't reliably.

Re: Item lists bulletting

2009-04-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Apr 16 2009, Christian Perrier wrote: > Andreas Tille a écrit : > >> I have not found any recommendation regarding this at the SRP Wiki page >> [1]. >> I vaguely remember that this Smith project was initially driven by a French >> guy who might try to push a French habit into the English w

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Re: Item lists bulletting (was: Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-16 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2009-04-16 kello 08:42 +0200, Christian Perrier kirjoitti: > I have never been able to find any such solid reference for English. > There is probably something in the Chicago Manual of Style, that's > generally accepted as the Right Reference for en_US. > > Maybe more input from our experts on