Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 08:56:24PM +0200, George Danchev wrote: > On Wednesday 03 December 2008 20:35:11 Clint Adams wrote: > > No, this is condescending and implies that the ftp-team knows more about > > package quality than the other developers, when that is not true and nor > > should it be tru

Bug#507750: ITP: n2n -- P2P VPN network

2008-12-03 Thread Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: kristian paul peñaranda rojas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: n2n Version : 1.2.1 Upstream Author : Luca Deri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : https://svn.ntop.org/trac/wiki/n2n License

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Raphael Geissert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Tautschnig wrote: [...] > > Still, I don't think we need to bring in that unknown $user, I think this > thread is more about some impatient DDs sitting and waiting for their package > to enter the archive. What about encouraging those impati

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Raphael Geissert
Lucas Nussbaum wrote: [...] > > We currently have a long reviewing process before packages get into the > archive. But once they are in, maintainers are free to do whatever they > want with their packages, without any review happening. Except when they get their package back in NEW for some reaso

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Raphael Geissert
Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Wednesday 03 December 2008 21:51, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: >> Hence, the above comments from Kalle hints the obvious solution to the >> disparity: make dak run lintian and reject uploads introducing "E:" >

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Noah Slater
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 09:50:15AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Rendez-vous after Lenny release on -devel :) Heh heh. Sure thing, Charles. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTE

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I submit that lintian warnings are entirely out of scope for the task the > project has entrusted to the ftp team, and that mentioning this at all as a > factor in making the NEW queue "painless" indicates there's a problem with > the process as impleme

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Amaya
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:29:30AM +0100, Amaya wrote: > > This imput seems to me the most useful contribution to this thread, Zach > > > could be very much automatic, just as Zach pointed out. An automatic > > /me loves the Spanish pronunciation of my (nick)name :-)

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Amaya
Russ Allbery wrote: > If you think Lintian is warning about something that it shouldn't warn > about, please report a bug. In some cases, it may be that we think that > you are not maintaining your package the way that we think you should > based on our understanding of the general Debian consensu

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 04:33:15PM +0100, Martin Wuertele wrote: > > I, too, believe the copyright check is the core of the role of the NEW > > queue. > > Quality checks could be done later and this would ease the whole process > > while > > keeping a focus where it is important. > I completel

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 08:52:17PM +, Noah Slater a écrit : > > We have struggled enough with the proposal as it is. My fear is that > discussing > it on debian-devel will open it up to "fire-and-forget" criticism that lacks > context of previous discussions, is poorly thought out, results in

Re: NEW processing and lintian warnings.

2008-12-03 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:41:50PM -0800, Michael Tautschnig a écrit : > > Instead, currently, they get distracted by many easy-to-spot errors > (including lintian warnings/errors, which really doesn't require one to be an > ftp-master to see...). Hi everybody After reading the thread this morni

Re: For those who care about pam-ssh: RFC

2008-12-03 Thread Luca Niccoli
2008/12/3 Jens Peter Secher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Because of the security implications of changing a PAM module, I would > welcome some peer reviewing of the changes I have made. The new package > has been uploaded to experimental, and the NEWS.Debian is as follows. > Also, I would like comments

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 03:41:29PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > Then, if you've also made sure that you don't get any lintian warnings > and your debian-directory is clear (especially debian/rules), the whole > process is pretty painless. I submit that lintian warnings are entirely out of scope f

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:29:30AM +0100, Amaya wrote: > This imput seems to me the most useful contribution to this thread, Zach > could be very much automatic, just as Zach pointed out. An automatic /me loves the Spanish pronunciation of my (nick)name :-) Besos. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -o- PhD

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Amaya
Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Note that we currently are working on integrating lintian into dak in > a way that lets us autoreject on selected lintian tags. That will help > NEW a little too, even if NEW is the smallest driving force for this > change. But in the same change we *can* go and reject all N

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Amaya
Thomas Viehmann wrote: > In essence, this whole trip through NEW would not have happened if the > maintainer would actually routinely install his packages before > uploading. I am all in favor of fast-tracking urgent stuff, but the > deal should involve the maintainer making extra-sure to get thing

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Amaya
Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > Lintian errors are almost always an immediate REJECT, so they don't > really slow down the process. Warnings slow the process down as then > I'm required to make a judgement call as to allow the package in or > not, so I'm much happier if the packager deals with them beforeha

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 03/12/08 at 23:34 +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Wednesday 03 December 2008 21:01, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > Buildds are machines, that only eat power. > > Wrong. > > Some archs have already problems keeping up, adding more load to them hurts > testing-migration (archs have to be

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Sune Vuorela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > And from my maintainer point of view, lintian becomes more and more > irrelevant, as it warns about more and more stupidities, so the real > issues is being hidden in the amount of crap outputted. If you think Lintian is warning about something that it s

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [Michael Tautschnig] >> Instead, currently, they get distracted by many easy-to-spot errors >> (including lintian warnings/errors, which really doesn't require one >> to be an ftp-master to see...). > This issue could be solved by automatically re

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:34:10PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Wednesday 03 December 2008 21:01, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > Buildds are machines, that only eat power. > Wrong. > Some archs have already problems keeping up [citation needed] -- Steve Langasek Give me a le

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Daniel, On Wednesday 03 December 2008 20:01, Daniel Baumann wrote: > Holger Levsen wrote: > > only those who dont have any backlogs in their voluntary duties, please > > throw the first stone. > > or in other words: as soon as someone does something on a voluntary > basis, it is above critic. >

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Wednesday 03 December 2008 21:51, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Hence, the above comments from Kalle hints the obvious solution to the > disparity: make dak run lintian and reject uploads introducing "E:" ^ +new > output. +1 /me

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2008-12-03, Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Michael Tautschnig] >> Instead, currently, they get distracted by many easy-to-spot errors >> (including lintian warnings/errors, which really doesn't require one >> to be an ftp-master to see...). > > This issue could be solved by au

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Wednesday 03 December 2008 21:01, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Buildds are machines, that only eat power. Wrong. Some archs have already problems keeping up, adding more load to them hurts testing-migration (archs have to be in sync), thus this would hurt users. regards, Holger

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Michael Tautschnig] > Instead, currently, they get distracted by many easy-to-spot errors > (including lintian warnings/errors, which really doesn't require one > to be an ftp-master to see...). This issue could be solved by automatically rejecting all packages with a lintian error when it show u

For those who care about pam-ssh: RFC

2008-12-03 Thread Jens Peter Secher
I have recently adopted the libpam-ssh package and made a lot changes in the way the PAM module works. In summary, the module did not work as advertised, so I rewrote parts of it while trying to make as little disruption as possible, but one cannot make an omelet... Because of the security implic

Bug#507723: ITP: qrest -- set of tools for calculations on musical values

2008-12-03 Thread Frederic CORNU
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Frederic CORNU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: qrest Version : 0.4 Upstream Author : Frederic CORNU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.qrest.org/ * License : GPL-3 Programming Lang: C++ Description : set o

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> someone that not only complains on lists but actually wants to do work. > just to make sure: is this targeted at me? No. -- bye, Joerg My first contact with Linux was with SuSE 6.3. A friend of mine installed it on my pc, and just take me a couple of hours to reinstall

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 03/12/08 at 22:15 +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > And the checks for that take about 98% of the time in NEW. OK. But then, I'm not sure of the rationale behind this paragraph of [1]: - need a very good understanding of the archive, how packaging works, know qa processes and the general way t

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Romain Beauxis wrote: > Le Wednesday 03 December 2008 12:07:51 Cyril Brulebois, vous avez écrit : >> Romain Beauxis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (03/12/2008): >>> I've always wondered why it is not possible to add meta information to >>> an upload. >>> […] >>> In these cases, it would be nice to add an anno

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Daniel Baumann
Joerg Jaspert wrote: > someone that not only complains on lists but actually wants to do work. just to make sure: is this targeted at me? -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> It surprises me that the only solution to that problem seems to be to > add more people to the FTP team, so that the processing bandwidth will > improve. That is the only solution which will help. > That's not true. Sre. And the world dies tomorrow. > We imposed that reviewing step to ou

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 09:51:07PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > You can argue that maybe it is like this for Kalle and for the other > FTP masters doing NEW review, but that seems unlikely to me. Lucas pointed out that this wasn't clear. What I meant is: one can argue that the parameters pro

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 03 Dec 2008, Clint Adams wrote: > I don't understand the logical connection here. IMO, NEW processing > should be a rubber stamp, It shouldn't need to be more than this, because packages shouldn't be uploaded with problems that can be trivially identified at NEW processing time. However, c

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Noah Slater
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 10:52:39AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:49:25AM +, Noah Slater wrote: > > As one of the primary contributers to the copyright proposal I would > > obviously > > like to be involved in its ratification. I am guessing some of the other > > ma

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 03:00:21PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > These things are the major slowdowns, at least for me, when doing NEW keeping this in mind ... > > processing: > > > > - package contains files under different license > > - package con

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Michael Tautschnig
[...] > > So, it is much better these to be detected and probably rejected > > before doing any more harm on their way. Low quality packages won't help > > users either, nor these users get the finally fixed and brought into > > relatively sane shape package faster. > > I'm quite sure that most

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le Wednesday 03 December 2008 16:33:15 Martin Wuertele, vous avez écrit : > > Quality checks could be done later and this would ease the whole process > > while keeping a focus where it is important. > > I completely disagree. It's a welcome benefit if packages of inferior > quality are prevented f

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread George Danchev
On Wednesday 03 December 2008 22:01:45 Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 03/12/08 at 19:52 +0200, George Danchev wrote: > > I'm afraid that skipping the 3rd thing `trying to reduce the number of > > bugs in Debian' [1] would lead to a massive waste of time for > > autobuilders caused by these subsequent u

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Carl Fürstenberg
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 14:29, Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 03/12/08 at 13:56 +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: >> Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (03/12/2008): >> > That's not true. We imposed that reviewing step to ourselves, and, if >> > it's doing more harm (by slowing down deve

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 03/12/08 at 19:52 +0200, George Danchev wrote: > I'm afraid that skipping the 3rd thing `trying to reduce the number of bugs > in > Debian' [1] would lead to a massive waste of time for autobuilders caused by > these subsequent uploads meant to bring the package(s) in a technically sane > sh

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 04:47:41PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I don't understand the logical connection here. IMO, NEW processing should > > be a rubber stamp, with only the checking required to satisfy whatever our > > needs are for liability purpose

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Daniel Baumann
Holger Levsen wrote: > only those who dont have any backlogs in their voluntary duties, please throw > the first stone. or in other words: as soon as someone does something on a voluntary basis, it is above critic. is that really what you want to say? -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgund

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread George Danchev
On Wednesday 03 December 2008 20:35:11 Clint Adams wrote: > On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 07:52:06PM +0200, George Danchev wrote: > > I'm afraid that skipping the 3rd thing `trying to reduce the number of > > bugs in Debian' [1] would lead to a massive waste of time for > > autobuilders caused by these s

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:49:25AM +, Noah Slater wrote: > As one of the primary contributers to the copyright proposal I would obviously > like to be involved in its ratification. I am guessing some of the other main > contributers would like to be involved too. > To get this started we need

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Clint Adams
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 07:52:06PM +0200, George Danchev wrote: > I'm afraid that skipping the 3rd thing `trying to reduce the number of bugs > in > Debian' [1] would lead to a massive waste of time for autobuilders caused by > these subsequent uploads meant to bring the package(s) in a technica

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread George Danchev
On Wednesday 03 December 2008 19:28:04 Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 03/12/08 at 17:21 +, Mark Brown wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 06:18:59PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > I'm not advocating that we just stop doing reviews. But IMHO, NEW > > > processing should be about the legal problem

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: >> It's funny that you bring this up in the thread originiating with this >> specific example. > I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Could you elaborate? The particular pass through NEW that has been used to demonstrate the deficiency of NEW processing was nece

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 03/12/08 at 17:21 +, Mark Brown wrote: > On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 06:18:59PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > I'm not advocating that we just stop doing reviews. But IMHO, NEW > > processing should be about the legal problems, not about the random > > lintian warning/errors, and the various o

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2008/12/3 Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > We currently have a long reviewing process before packages get into the > archive. But once they are in, maintainers are free to do whatever they > want with their packages, without any review happening. > > I'm not advocating that we just stop doing

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 06:18:59PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > I'm not advocating that we just stop doing reviews. But IMHO, NEW > processing should be about the legal problems, not about the random > lintian warning/errors, and the various other packaging malpractices. At least package namesp

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 03/12/08 at 16:33 +0100, Martin Wuertele wrote: > * Romain Beauxis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-12-03 15:51]: > > > I, too, believe the copyright check is the core of the role of the NEW > > queue. > > > > Quality checks could be done later and this would ease the whole process > > while > > k

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 03/12/08 at 17:43 +0100, Thomas Viehmann wrote: > Hi, > > Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > It surprises me that the only solution to that problem seems to be to > > add more people to the FTP team, so that the processing bandwidth will > > improve. > ... > > It's funny how in Debian, we always prefer

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > It surprises me that the only solution to that problem seems to be to > add more people to the FTP team, so that the processing bandwidth will > improve. ... > It's funny how in Debian, we always prefer to add more checks (which > always let some things get thought whil

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 04:33:15PM +0100, Martin Wuertele wrote: > I completely disagree. It's a welcome benefit if packages of inferior > quality are prevented from entering the archive in the first place imo. I agree with this and we should not get rid of it. > If you want to test packages not

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Mehdi Dogguy
Martin Wuertele wrote: > If you want to test packages not yet ready for debian you can upload > them to universe. > What's "universe" ? You mean "experimental" ? -- Mehdi Dogguy مهدي الدقي http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~dogguy Tel.: (+33).1.44.27.28.38 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Romain Beauxis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-12-03 15:51]: > I, too, believe the copyright check is the core of the role of the NEW queue. > > Quality checks could be done later and this would ease the whole process > while > keeping a focus where it is important. I completely disagree. It's a w

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Patrick Schönfeld
2008/12/3 Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 02:45:43PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: >> I'm very happy about the additional checks the ftpteam does. If people want a >> faster crappy distribution, there are options, no need to turn Debian into >> that. > > I don't understand

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le Wednesday 03 December 2008 14:36:39 Miriam Ruiz, vous avez écrit : > > If people feel that a reviewing service is needed, we could split > > that out of NEW processing and have a separate service (or just use > > debian-mentors@ and http://mentors.debian.net). > > Yup, I agree with you. I think

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't understand the logical connection here. IMO, NEW processing should > be a rubber stamp, with only the checking required to satisfy whatever our > needs are for liability purposes. In my relatively short experience even the legalese check is defini

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Clint Adams
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 02:45:43PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: > I'm very happy about the additional checks the ftpteam does. If people want a > faster crappy distribution, there are options, no need to turn Debian into > that. I don't understand the logical connection here. IMO, NEW processing

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:24:07AM +0100, Holger Levsen a écrit : > > also, as far as I know, the ftp-team is still looking for new members, it's > just that not many people want to do the work. (last time they called, only 4 > people replied, out of which 2 became ftp-assistents. pretty good, I

Peer review to facilitate NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 02:29:24PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : > > If people feel that a reviewing service is needed, we could split > that out of NEW processing and have a separate service (or just use > debian-mentors@ and http://mentors.debian.net). Hi all, I completely agree with Lucas t

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Julien BLACHE
Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Most of our users would probably agree to trade a small amount of > quality with faster packaging of new versions, and more timely releases. No. The people you describe want Ubuntu, or something alike. They're free to go get it, as far as I'm concerned.

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm guessing that many of the other checks that Lucas mentions fall out > of the examination you have to do for the licensing anyway? Yes, eg. code duplication shows up pretty fast in the license/copyright check. -- * Sufficiently advanced magic is indist

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 03/12/08 at 15:41 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: >> if you've also made sure that you don't get any lintian warnings and >> your debian-directory is clear (especially debian/rules), the whole >> process is pretty painless. > > Why is that relevant? Lint

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 03:41:29PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I don't think that we should drop the legal review (that would probably > > be dangerous). However, NEW reviews seem to cover a lot of other > > aspects currently, which might explain wh

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (03/12/2008): > We have to draw the line somewhere. When people are regularly annoyed > by delays in some part of debian, maybe it's because we should move > the line slightly. > > Most of our users would probably agree to trade a small amount of > quality with f

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 03/12/08 at 14:45 +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Wednesday 03 December 2008 14:29, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > I don't think that we should drop the legal review (that would probably > > be dangerous). However, NEW reviews seem to cover a lot of other > > aspects currently, which might

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 03/12/08 at 15:41 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I don't think that we should drop the legal review (that would probably > > be dangerous). However, NEW reviews seem to cover a lot of other > > aspects currently, which might explain why it takes so m

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Wednesday 03 December 2008 14:29, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > I don't think that we should drop the legal review (that would probably > be dangerous). However, NEW reviews seem to cover a lot of other > aspects currently, which might explain why it takes so much time. I'm very happy about the

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't think that we should drop the legal review (that would probably > be dangerous). However, NEW reviews seem to cover a lot of other > aspects currently, which might explain why it takes so much time. These things are the major slowdowns, at least

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2008/12/3 Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I don't think that we should drop the legal review (that would probably > be dangerous). However, NEW reviews seem to cover a lot of other > aspects currently, which might explain why it takes so much time. > > If people feel that a reviewing service

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 03/12/08 at 13:56 +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (03/12/2008): > > That's not true. We imposed that reviewing step to ourselves, and, if > > it's doing more harm (by slowing down development and annoying > > contributors) than good (by detecting mistakes and i

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Noah Slater
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 01:50:22PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:26:03PM +, Noah Slater wrote: > > How should we go about collecting to the contributers? Should I post > > a note to the wiki (alerting the subscribers) about this, and if so, > > where to direct pe

Re: ldconfig with a non-standard prefix

2008-12-03 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Loïc Minier] > Or perhaps a new /etc/ld.so.conf.d/packagname.conf? I would recommend against it, if these extra libraries should only be used by some binaries, not all binaries. Adding to ld.so.conf will change the global configuration, while modifying rpath will only affect the intended binar

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le Wednesday 03 December 2008 13:34:06 Lucas Nussbaum, vous avez écrit : > That's not true. We imposed that reviewing step to ourselves, and, if > it's doing more harm (by slowing down development and annoying > contributors) than good (by detecting mistakes and improving Debian's > overall quality

Bug#507658: RFP: loggedfs -- a fuse-filesystem which can log every operations in the filesystem

2008-12-03 Thread CSights
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Package name: loggedfs Version: 0.5 Upstream Author: Rémi Flament URL: http://loggedfs.sourceforge.net/ License: GPL Description: LoggedFS is a fuse-filesystem which can log every oper

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (03/12/2008): > That's not true. We imposed that reviewing step to ourselves, and, if > it's doing more harm (by slowing down development and annoying > contributors) than good (by detecting mistakes and improving Debian's > overall quality), we could simply decid

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Noah Slater
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:57:33PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: > > As one of the primary contributers to the copyright proposal I would > > obviously like to be involved in its ratification. I am guessing some of the > > other main contributers would like to be involved too. > > Great, then maybe

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 03/12/08 at 11:24 +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Wednesday 03 December 2008 10:05, Daniel Baumann wrote: > > > The NEW queue is constantly being processed. > > depends on the point of view i guess. > > only those who dont have any backlogs in their voluntary duties, please throw >

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:26:03PM +, Noah Slater wrote: > How should we go about collecting to the contributers? Should I post > a note to the wiki (alerting the subscribers) about this, and if so, > where to direct people for collaboration? It is up to you. From a management point of view, I

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Simon Josefsson
Noah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hey, > > On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:25:20PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > The solution to your problem already exists (actually, it has been >> > *designed* for that): http://wiki.debian.org/Proposa

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:18:35PM +, Enrico Zini wrote: > The wish for encoding licenses in debtags categories periodically shows > up, so I collected some pointers to old discussions in the FAQ: > > > http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/faq.html#any-reason-why-there-are-no-license-tags-in-de

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Enrico Zini
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 09:46:29PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:30:54PM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote: > > We should somehow tag those conflictive licenses with debtags, so that > > users can filter out the ones they don't wont easily. I don't object [...] > Except that

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le Wednesday 03 December 2008 12:07:51 Cyril Brulebois, vous avez écrit : > Romain Beauxis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (03/12/2008): > > I've always wondered why it is not possible to add meta information to > > an upload. > > […] > > In these cases, it would be nice to add an annotation to give hints > >

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Noah Slater
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 01:05:56PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:49:25AM +, Noah Slater wrote: > > To get this started we need a mailing list and a repository, then we > > can place a notice on the wiki directing people to the mailing list > > and make the wiki p

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:49:25AM +, Noah Slater wrote: > To get this started we need a mailing list and a repository, then we > can place a notice on the wiki directing people to the mailing list > and make the wiki page immutable so that there is no confusion. Come on, do you really need al

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Noah Slater
Hey, On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:25:20PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The solution to your problem already exists (actually, it has been > > *designed* for that): http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat > > , it "just" needs someone w

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Simon Josefsson
Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The solution to your problem already exists (actually, it has been > *designed* for that): http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat > , it "just" needs someone with the energy of finalizing the proposal > (most likely via a DEP), so that is

Re: Why acroread is popular (Was: Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main)

2008-12-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 02 décembre 2008 à 19:08 +0100, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort a écrit : > Since 2.24 (which is in experimental) the evince package doesn't link to > unneeded dependencies anymore, making the evince-gtk package pointless. So now > you will be able to install the evince package with the same result

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Romain Beauxis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (03/12/2008): > I've always wondered why it is not possible to add meta information to > an upload. > […] > In these cases, it would be nice to add an annotation to give hints > about the complexity of the task to the ftp-masters.. You want debian/changelog? Mra

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le Wednesday 03 December 2008 09:55:24 Kalle Kivimaa, vous avez écrit : > "Steve M. Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Is the NEW queue going to get processed any time soon?  There's a load > > of packages that are 3 weeks or more old. > > The NEW queue is constantly being processed. Unfortun

Re: ldconfig with a non-standard prefix

2008-12-03 Thread Loïc Minier
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > I cannot find anywhere in the documentation how to solve my current > > problem. I have made bunch of custom packages that will install, among > > other things, a bunch of libraries into /opt/pkgs/packagname. I know > > that ldconfig gets run aft

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Wednesday 03 December 2008 10:05, Daniel Baumann wrote: > > The NEW queue is constantly being processed. > depends on the point of view i guess. only those who dont have any backlogs in their voluntary duties, please throw the first stone. also, as far as I know, the ftp-team is still l

Re: Bug#507451: ITP: iptux -- IP Messenger client for Linux

2008-12-03 Thread LI Daobing (李道兵)
Hello, On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Paul Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:34 PM, LI Daobing (李道兵) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> yes, it is a special protocol and listen on port 2425 by default. >> xipmsg also this word in his description[1] >> >> [1] http://packages.

Re: NEW processing

2008-12-03 Thread Daniel Baumann
Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > The NEW queue is constantly being processed. depends on the point of view i guess. interestingly, the following change required exactely 9.5 days, although ftp-master was asked to fasttrack for lenny-migration: http://git.debian.net/?p=debian/iceweasel-l10n.git;a=commitdiff

Re: Bug#507451: ITP: iptux -- IP Messenger client for Linux

2008-12-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:34 PM, LI Daobing (李道兵) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yes, it is a special protocol and listen on port 2425 by default. > xipmsg also this word in his description[1] > > [1] http://packages.debian.org/sid/xipmsg > > currently there are many clients support this protocol Do

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