Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Steve Langasek wrote: > > Arguably if the consensus is that the default minimum password length should > > be raised in the users' best interests, we would want to change the > > makepasswd package's default at the same time. > > And we might also want to m

Bug#440881: ITP: kblogger -- kicker-applet for quick blogging

2007-09-04 Thread Raphael Geissert
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Raphael Geissert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: kblogger Version : 0.6.5 Upstream Author : Christian Weilbach, Antonio Aloisio * URL : http://kblogger.pwsp.net/ * License

Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-04 Thread Gunnar Wolf
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dijo [Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 02:46:30PM -0400]: > > Hmm, seems odd that it should need testing, runs great on my machine > and thousands of others. Perhaps we are a little overzealous, no? Perhaps it should be removed from testing? We cannot do any kind of security support for it..

Re: libpango update broke iceape synaptic and more

2007-09-04 Thread Steve Kemp
On Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 00:43:46 +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ firefox > > /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: > > /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter_impl > > > > Interestingly the symbol is defined: > > > > [EMAIL

Re: libpango update broke iceape synaptic and more

2007-09-04 Thread Julien Cristau
On Tue, Sep 4, 2007 at 23:39:46 +0100, Steve Kemp wrote: > I see it too, on my AMD64 system: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ firefox > /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: > /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter_impl > > Interestingly the symbol i

Re: libpango update broke iceape synaptic and more

2007-09-04 Thread Steve Kemp
On Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 11:54:23 -0500, Don wrote: > I am using "sid" and yesterday my update/upgrade broke iceape, synaptic, and > some others. I've had problems with libpango before, but this one has me > stumped. I don't see anyone else having this problem, so I must conclude > something is

Re: menu policy & use of doc-base for programming documentation

2007-09-04 Thread Eric Cooper
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 07:59:44PM +, Frank Küster wrote: > We have a similar problem with TeX documentation. In my opinion, > using menu categories for doc-base might have been a good start, but > we should definitely extend that now. Perhaps we should piggyback on the debtags work and have

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread John Kelly
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:50:25 -0600, "Dwayne C. Litzenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On most of my boxes, passwords are useless for anything except local >authentication, and even for that, they aren't used much. >How about a Debian policy that enumerates the specific cases where >passwords

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 02:50:25PM -0600, Dwayne C. Litzenberger wrote: > > How about a Debian policy that enumerates the specific cases where > passwords are allowed to be used for authentication, and states that > password authentication must be disabled by default for everything else? > > If

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread Dwayne C. Litzenberger
On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 05:45:49PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: ma, 2007-09-03 kello 08:33 -0600, Wesley J. Landaker kirjoitti: Especially when the most common response I've seen to a system saying that a password is not long enough is to start adding easily guessable extension strings to the

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread Dwayne C. Litzenberger
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 12:31:15PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: I'm sure it does work great. Can you work on making sure [fail2ban] is the default in lenny if openssh-server is installed? Keep in mind that, by design, fail2ban opens up a denial-of-service vulnerability, especially with the pro

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread Oleg Verych: gmane reading
04-09-2007, Adam D. Barratt: > On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 07:53 +, Oleg Verych wrote: > [...] >> What about having more secure Debian's sshd_config by default? >> " >> PermitRootLogin no > > You'll have to convince the openssh package maintainers first - see > #105571, #298138 and #431627 for their

Re: menu policy & use of doc-base for programming documentation

2007-09-04 Thread Frank Küster
Stefano Zacchiroli debian.org> writes: > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 03:19:43PM -0400, Eric Cooper wrote: > > The Debian OCaml maintenance team is looking at how to organize the > > HTML documentation provided by the various OCaml packages. Our first > > Right, to add some details to that: > - e

Re: Bug#440823: ITP: kelbt -- backtracking LR parser

2007-09-04 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 05:43:15PM +0200, Robert Lemmen wrote: [...] > Description : backtracking LR parser > > Kelbt generates backtracking LALR(1) parsers. Standard LALR(1) parser If it is a parser _generator_, mention this in de short description as well. > generators emit an error u

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 07:53 +, Oleg Verych wrote: [...] > What about having more secure Debian's sshd_config by default? > " > PermitRootLogin no You'll have to convince the openssh package maintainers first - see #105571, #298138 and #431627 for their opinions on whether that change is "more

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Langasek wrote: > Arguably if the consensus is that the default minimum password length should > be raised in the users' best interests, we would want to change the > makepasswd package's default at the same time. And we might also want to make d-i do the same checks, currently it enforces n

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread Russ Allbery
Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Having enabled the cracklib stuff in pam_unix while testing the new > PAM, I agree that this should remain disabled. Many users (including > myself) find the enforcement of all those extra checks annoying, and I > agree with other comments that extra chec

Re: debdelta, Re: proposed release goal: DEBIAN/md5sums for all packages

2007-09-04 Thread Russ Allbery
Norbert Preining <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Die, 04 Sep 2007, Florent Rougon wrote: >> > Sorry, I can't remember the name of the package. >> >> That must be cm-super. > Yup, cm-super does this trick. I once wanted to undo this and ship the > font files directly, but got quite a lot of requ

Bug#440823: ITP: kelbt -- backtracking LR parser

2007-09-04 Thread Robert Lemmen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Robert Lemmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: kelbt Version : 0.12 Upstream Author : Adrian Thurston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.cs.queensu.ca/~thurston/kelbt/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C, C++ D

Bug#440822: ITP: dicelab -- evaluate the statistical distribution of dice rolls

2007-09-04 Thread Robert Lemmen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Robert Lemmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: dicelab Version : 0.4 Upstream Author : Robert Lemmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.semistable.com/dicelab/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Description

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread John Kelly
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:31:15 +0300, Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I stop brute force attacks by sending auth log messages to a FIFO which I >> read with a perl script. After 10 login failures, your IP is firewalled for >> 24 hours. >I'm sure it does work great. Can you work on m

Bug#440816: ITP: bytecode -- Java library to access bytecode

2007-09-04 Thread Steffen Moeller
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Steffen Moeller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: bytecode Version : 0.92 Upstream Author : Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.example.org/ * License : LGPL Programming Lang: Java Description : Java lib

Re: RFC: dropping Linux capabilities support from pam_limits (bug #440130)

2007-09-04 Thread Jörg Sommer
Hi Steve, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 05:45:12PM +, Jörg Sommer wrote: > >> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > For a long time, the Debian pam package has been carrying a local patch to >> > add support for Linux capabilities in pam_limits.

Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-04 Thread Dionysis Kalofonos
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [..] I did not say I was too lazy to read the docmentation. There is too much for a person who has no clue where to begin and it is difficult to digest without the knowledge of how thigs work. It is well known that dev

Re: debdelta, Re: proposed release goal: DEBIAN/md5sums for all packages

2007-09-04 Thread Norbert Preining
On Die, 04 Sep 2007, Florent Rougon wrote: > > Sorry, I can't remember the name of the package. > > That must be cm-super. Yup, cm-super does this trick. I once wanted to undo this and ship the font files directly, but got quite a lot of requests why the packages has gotten soo big. >From the ru

Re: packages.debian.org updated

2007-09-04 Thread Paul Wise
On 9/4/07, Frank Lichtenheld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > exim4 [...] doesn't have any Debtags information). It does, but they are not reflected in the archive: http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/edit.html?pkg=exim4 I've noticed a couple of other packages like this (eg flasm, tesseract-ocr). --

Re: packages.debian.org updated

2007-09-04 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, On Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 12:54:41 +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 07:34:34AM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > > (Please CC me on replies; thanks.) > > > > On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 10:58:12PM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > > > > > packages.debian.org was finally u

Re: debdelta, Re: proposed release goal: DEBIAN/md5sums for all packages

2007-09-04 Thread Florent Rougon
Jörg Sommer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry, I can't remember the name of the package. That must be cm-super. -- Florent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: packages.debian.org updated

2007-09-04 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 07:34:34AM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > (Please CC me on replies; thanks.) > > On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 10:58:12PM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > > > packages.debian.org was finally updated to the new code base that > > was already available some time from packages

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread Roger Leigh
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > For years, the Debian pam packages have by default had a weaker password > length requirement than upstream. I can think of no reason for this to be > the case, especially when upstream doesn't support a configurable minimum > password length and Debia

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 11:40:07PM -0400, John Kelly wrote: > I stop brute force attacks by sending auth log messages to a FIFO which I > read with a perl script. After 10 login failures, your IP is firewalled for > 24 hours. I have a rate-limiting iptables ruleset for SSH (and HTTP). In my exp

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2007-09-03 kello 23:40 -0400, John Kelly kirjoitti: > On Sep 3, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > >That is arguably better than having passwords which can be guessed by > >doing brute-force attackes over ssh. > > I stop brute force attacks by sending auth log messages to a FIFO which I > read with a pe

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/04/07 03:10, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [snip] > > Some schools even use the same password for all lower grade users > instead of providing very easy passwords, and I am not sure if that is > better. That's just stupid. Since first grade, my c

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread John Kelly
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 07:53:08 + (UTC), Oleg Verych <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >What about having more secure Debian's sshd_config by default? >PermitRootLogin no >DenyUsers * Doing remote ssh installations without any console access will make you unhappy with that default. -- Internet

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Steve Langasek] > Right, I know there are going to be use cases where 6 is too long > for the minimum length, and users will need to lower the setting in > /etc/pam.d/common-password. Do you think we need to provide some > hook for these Debian Edu users to change the setting automatically, > vi

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread Oleg Verych
04-09-2007, John Kelly: > On Sep 3, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > >>ti, 2007-09-04 kello 10:17 +0900, Miles Bader kirjoitti: > >>> If the system is excessively anal about what passwords it will let you >>> use, people will just start writing them down... > >>That is arguably better than having passwords

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-09-04 Thread Oleg Verych
* 07-08-2007, Andrei Popescu: [] > Did you even try adding a directory? It might even work ;) > >> xmms2... Well, when we have a decent client, then can are an option. >> Now, isn't it. > > Same as with mpd :-/ Server is `(mu-)mplayer` (seek isn't working in ogg), client is `dd`, playlist is small