also sprach Robert Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007.05.31.0021 +0200]:
> I think its entirely viable. boost::python is rather nice and should
> allow incremental migration. You could if you care start with a C++
> wrapper using boost:python where all the guts are in python, and then
> its just a q
also sprach Oleg Verych <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007.05.31.0011 +0200]:
> Configuration of interfaces (hardware or software) is part of OS
> setup and proper operation. And this task must be solved on the
> principle basis, rather than jet-another-lang-flame. Once you have
> all kernel/network-interfa
Joachim Breitner wrote:
> I am wondering if anyone still uses the re-ordered ubuntu patches
> provided by the Utnubu team at
I'm too unimportant to be of any weight here, but I use them and it
would be sad if it is stopped.
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> This package contains the "09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0" number.
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On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 11:13:32 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Wed, 30 May 2007 17:59:15 +0300, Guillem Jover said:
> > On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 02:19:33 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > > Has this been fixed in the latest incantation?
> > Please "fix" this by adding an additional mode/view, no
Steve Langasek wrote:
> Ok, can you provide an example to support this claim that sarge is worse?
http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/status/release/oldstable
http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/status/release/stable
(You may want to grep for "high".)
> I'm not saying that what the
Ben Hutchings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> lsb-release has Priority: extra so it's not that likely to be installed.
> I've still doing distribution recognition by grepping
> /etc/*-release /etc/release /etc/debian_version.
lsb-release is quite nice when using facter (usually via Puppet), since i
On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 22:12 +0100, Stephen Gran wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, Kris Deugau said:
> > On RHEL and derived distros, there's usually a file /etc/redhat-release
> > (sometimes renamed, but usually trivially enough that it can be found
> > with little trouble) containing both the
On 5/30/07, Joachim Breitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
I am wondering if anyone still uses the re-ordered ubuntu patches
provided by the Utnubu team at
http://utnubu.alioth.debian.org/scottish/
If nobody finds this useful, I'd probably do the alioth admins a favor
if I stop the cr
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 01:58:02AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > > > What evidence do you have that serious security bugs "won't get fixed"
> > > > in a
> > > > stable release because of MIA developers?
> > > Search for "years" in
> > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=tag&dat
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 10:12:38PM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote:
> The closest we ship is /etc/debian_version. I use it for several
> similar tests at work, you just need to keep a mental map between the
> number and the version string. If you can count lsb-release being
> installed, that will give
Hi,
I am wondering if anyone still uses the re-ordered ubuntu patches
provided by the Utnubu team at
http://utnubu.alioth.debian.org/scottish/
If nobody finds this useful, I’d probably do the alioth admins a favor
if I stop the cronjob.
Greetings,
Joachim
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On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 16:48 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:38:16PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 19:46 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:51:38PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > > > There were some discussions on -private
On Wed, 30 May 2007 22:58:38 +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> On Wed, 30 May 2007 18:28:43 +0200, Raphael Hertzog
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>> What Guillem said is that checklib also indicated binaries which are
>>> lin
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On 30-May-07, 10:24 (CDT), Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is one of many indications. I could cite many others, good or not
> so good indicators:
> * size of the changelogs ;
Older packages will skew this.
> * number of revisions per upstream release ;
As you note, depe
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 04:46:30PM -0400, Kris Deugau wrote:
[...]
> On RHEL and derived distros, there's usually a file /etc/redhat-release
> (sometimes renamed, but usually trivially enough that it can be found
> with little trouble) containing both the distro code name and the
> version number.
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 04:46:30PM -0400, Kris Deugau wrote:
> However, there doesn't seem to be any single, consistent,
/etc/debian_version ?
Don't know when it was introduced though...
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Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, 30 May 2007 18:28:43 +0200, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> What Guillem said is that checklib also indicated binaries which are
>> linked against a library without using any of its symbols. Thus the
>> binary shouldn't have been
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:38:16PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 19:46 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:51:38PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > > There were some discussions on -private (and possibly here?) earlier in
> > > the year about quality vs
> AFAIK, most security bugs are never reported to MITRE or Secunia or the
> like. For most "smaller" projects, I would guess that that majority of
> security bugs are fixed in the normal course of development without any
> sort of special advisories, except perhaps in the changelog published by
>
On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 19:46 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:51:38PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > There were some discussions on -private (and possibly here?) earlier in
> > the year about quality vs quantity of packages.
>
> > It should be clear to most developers that
>> But I am asking you still: can you think of anything to say against
>> such an approach? Please don't flame languages or anything of that
>> sort. The question is just: is it viable for a C++ coder with
>> a Python proficiency to mockup a new application in Python first?
>
> Planning to write th
Hi.
I believe there is something fundamentally wrong if you *have* to rely
on /etc/debian_version for anything. The number of Debian packages
actually using such file is probably zero (but I could be wrong).
Try using dependencies or run-time tests. Really.
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On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 17:34 +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> Dear colleagues,
...
> But I am asking you still: can you think of anything to say against
> such an approach? Please don't flame languages or anything of that
> sort. The question is just: is it viable for a C++ coder with
> a Python pro
Hi,
* Kris Deugau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-05-30 23:06]:
[...]
> However, there doesn't seem to be any single, consistent,
> doesn't-change-for-the-life-of-the-release, programmatically possible
> (never mind *easy* just yet...) method to find out if I'm on Debian
> sarge, etch, lenny, or some th
This one time, at band camp, Kris Deugau said:
> On RHEL and derived distros, there's usually a file /etc/redhat-release
> (sometimes renamed, but usually trivially enough that it can be found
> with little trouble) containing both the distro code name and the
> version number.
The closest we ship
I've been writing custom utilities and libraries for various systems at
work, and with one particular project recently it's become (more)
important to know exactly which Debian release it's running on (at some
stage or other between version-controlled-code and installed-"binary")
so that I don't tr
On Wed, 30 May 2007 18:28:43 +0200, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Hi Manoj,
> On Wed, 30 May 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> When checklibs was run, it would report libbar-dev, libbaz-dev,
>> unneeded; looking at foo libfoo-dev, libbaz-dev, unneeded; looking at
>> bar libfoo-dev, l
also sprach Michael Alan Dorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007.05.30.1816 +0200]:
> Planning to write the application twice seems to me to presume
> more time and continued enthusiasm than is perhaps realistic,
> especially since your plans seem fairly ambitious---having to slog
> through the last 10% o
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 09:34, martin f krafft wrote:
> But I am asking you still: can you think of anything to say against
> such an approach? Please don't flame languages or anything of that
> sort. The question is just: is it viable for a C++ coder with
> a Python proficiency to mockup a new ap
Hi Manoj,
On Wed, 30 May 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> When checklibs was run, it would report
> libbar-dev, libbaz-dev, unneeded; looking at foo
> libfoo-dev, libbaz-dev, unneeded; looking at bar
> libfoo-dev, libbar-dev, unneeded; looking at baz
>
> End result: Uneedded
On Wed, 30 May 2007 17:59:15 +0300, Guillem Jover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 02:19:33 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:26:00 +0200, A Mennucc said:
>> > hi what about http://rerun.lefant.net/checklib/ ?
>>
>> > madcoder mentioned in
>> > http://list
On Wed, 30 May 2007 17:34:10 +0200
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But I am asking you still: can you think of anything to say against
> such an approach? Please don't flame languages or anything of that
> sort. The question is just: is it viable for a C++ coder with
> a Python profic
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 04:33:59PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> Very good points, and I believe you have a good point. What about
> making an errata wiki page for the etch release on
> http://wiki.debian.org/>, and add links to the etch bugs in BTS?
> It migth form the basis for updating pa
Dear colleagues,
I am starting to write netconf [0], finally. Or rather, I would if
I could settle on a language. If netconf is ever going to replace
ifupdown, it would need to have a low footprint and few
dependencies. This clearly suggests C/C++ as the language of choice.
0. http://netconf.alio
On Wed, 30 May 2007 16:49:27 +0200
Jonas Meurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Publishing the date of last upload is a very useful information here,
> especially if you need to choose an application out of several unknown
> alternatives.
That information is already available at packages.qa.d.o and
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 04:49:27PM +0200, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> On 29/05/2007 Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > There were some discussions on -private (and possibly here?) earlier in
> > the year about quality vs quantity of packages.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > I don't think we want to start grading maintaine
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On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 02:19:33 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:26:00 +0200, A Mennucc said:
> > hi what about http://rerun.lefant.net/checklib/ ?
>
> > madcoder mentioned in
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/01/msg00822.htmlof the
> > intention of getting the ch
On 29/05/2007 Ben Hutchings wrote:
> There were some discussions on -private (and possibly here?) earlier in
> the year about quality vs quantity of packages.
>
> [...]
>
> I don't think we want to start grading maintainers and I believe there's
> a consensus that we should not be more selective
[Charles Plessy]
> Under the current policy, not all fixes to these problems would make it
> in a point release, but since the list is likely to grow longer and
> longer with time, I am really wondering if there is a better way to
> inform the users of that kind of issues, if possible a priori. Am
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 08:56:29AM -0300, Herbert P Fortes Neto wrote:
> I think it is also a good idea to join the wmakerconf and
> wmakerconf-data debian packages. I would like to know if there is
> a reason to not join wmakerconf debian package and wmakerconf-data
> debian package in only one d
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 03:15:31AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > If I already have access and I get an itch, I will scratch it. If I
> > > don't, I will either forget about it or complain. I am unlikely to go
> > > through whatever bureaucracy is set up to request access. Whether or
> > > n
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:29:01AM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> But I did the effort of finding the procedure and asking for cvs commit
> access to the webwml files. To my surprise I got the access granted
> within 24 hours.
Truth be told, you were reasonably lucky to get Matt's ACK and Joey's
ad
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:15:08PM -0400, David Nusinow wrote:
> > > The only thing I've ever heard about helping out with the website is that
> > > it's a herculean task that no mere mortal should attempt.
> >
> > Where did you hear this?
>
> Word of mouth, usually in conjunction with promises t
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:51:38PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> think it would be a service to our users to grade how well supported
> packages are. I have a number of ideas for ways in which this could be
> done, but I think a discussion would yield something better that might
> eventually be ac
Hi,
I am intending to adopt the wmakerconf and wmakerconf-data
debian packages. And I am now the new responsible of these
source packages.
As does not exist a reason to have two source packages nowadays,
i joined wmakerconf source package and wmakerconf-data source
package in only one source
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Yes, we'll do it only once anyway.
>
> How do you plan to ensure that?
Sorry, no plan, I was just dreaming. Or deliring.
> Since old versions of the tetex packages
> with the broken postrm are still in the wild, and a user may have already
> remov
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 01:04:46PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
> texlive-bin FTBFS two times previously because it's build-deps could not
> be satisfied (libpoppler1 was on hold on spontini). Now this seems to
> have been fixed, and I'm wondering why I got the mail below? It's not a
> binary NMU,
Hi,
texlive-bin FTBFS two times previously because it's build-deps could not
be satisfied (libpoppler1 was on hold on spontini). Now this seems to
have been fixed, and I'm wondering why I got the mail below? It's not a
binary NMU, just a standard buildd upload, unless the NMUer got the
version w
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 11:44:13AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 07:45:17PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
> > > Anyway, before we get lost in all this prediction stuff, I'm yet to hear
> > > a good reason why we need complete triviality in the access method, as
> > > opposed to th
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:06:06AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Because most people don't bother when they want to fix only a small
> detail in a web page.
Well, when I want to fix a small detail in some other part of Debian,
I usually send a mail or file a bug, I don't automatically think tha
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 07:45:17PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
> > Anyway, before we get lost in all this prediction stuff, I'm yet to hear
> > a good reason why we need complete triviality in the access method, as
> > opposed to the kind of triviality we have had for years now: all that is
> > neces
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 03:15:59AM -0400, Roberto C. S?nchez wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 07:46:34PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> >
> > What evidence do you have that serious security bugs "won't get fixed" in a
> > stable release because of MIA developers? AFAIK, the burden of providing
>
On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 09:06 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Wed, 30 May 2007, Josip Rodin wrote:
> > Anyway, before we get lost in all this prediction stuff, I'm yet to hear
> > a good reason why we need complete triviality in the access method, as
> > opposed to the kind of triviality we have h
Hi,
On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:26:00 +0200, A Mennucc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> hi what about http://rerun.lefant.net/checklib/ ?
> madcoder mentioned in
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/01/msg00822.htmlof the
> intention of getting the checklib service up again: any progress?
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 07:46:34PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
>
> What evidence do you have that serious security bugs "won't get fixed" in a
> stable release because of MIA developers? AFAIK, the burden of providing
> security updates largely falls on the shoulders of the security team, even
>
On Wed, 30 May 2007, Josip Rodin wrote:
> Anyway, before we get lost in all this prediction stuff, I'm yet to hear
> a good reason why we need complete triviality in the access method, as
> opposed to the kind of triviality we have had for years now: all that is
> necessary to get webwml access is
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