On Friday 28 July 2006 19:37, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Steve Kemp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Neither Ubuntu nor Debian do anything special to get hardware support
> > that is provided by the kernel proper and tools that neither group
> > created.
>
> That's not actually true. I do a lot of
> We do, see my reply for Matthew and test if you want. You can install
> the 'desktop' and 'gnome-desktop' task in a sid or testing system
> using aptitude too.
And get a very nice random theme for gdm, making the system different
each time it's booted up. Very user friendly.
#351414 for those
Hi,
Digging into the current dh_python, I have come across
behaviour that I can't explain, related to the handling of the -V
flag. Take the case of private pure Python modules. Suppose I have
two packages, python-foo and python-bar. In python-foo, I call
dh_python -V X.Y, which means t
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:31:53 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
[...]
> But the issues of disagreement on the topic of a given NMU was not my
> point. It was rather to ease as much as possible the flow of code from
> DDs workstations to debian packages.
[... some good stuff snip
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:38:52 -0300, Gustavo Franco
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> * Promote NMU LowThreshold wiki list giving it some official status.
What does this mean?
> For existing packages:
> * The package that contains only the Maintainer field with the name
> of a person and n
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:23:33 -0500, John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 05:44:38PM +0100, Steve Kemp wrote:
>> > If Debian had slightly less of a culture of "Keep your hands off
>> > my package", I'd do it here instead.
>>
>> That seems understandable. I'm keen on t
On 7/29/06, Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
* Thomas Viehmann [Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:40:19 +0200]:
> If that is wanted, I'd consider it important enough information to have
> it in debian/control.
A couple packages of mine ship already with an X-VCS-Bzr header in the
source. Example:
* Thomas Viehmann [Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:40:19 +0200]:
> If that is wanted, I'd consider it important enough information to have
> it in debian/control.
A couple packages of mine ship already with an X-VCS-Bzr header in the
source. Example:
(Format: X-Vcs-${VCS}: ${URL})
X-Vcs-Bzr: http://peop
On 7/29/06, Knut Yrvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/01/28/debian_fastest_growing_linux_distribution.html
Just remember that that article was written before Ubuntu was released
(Warty was released in October, this article in January.)
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h
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Le vendredi 28 juillet 2006 à 17:02 -0300, Otavio Salvador a écrit :
>> The Marketing thing behind Ubuntu works very well and we should
>> learn with them. We have a team to deal with Press and that might work
>> better. Other problem is that most of
Fredag 28 juli 2006 21:35, skrev Katrina Jackson:
> You say Ubuntu has better publicity, which it does. But why is this
> the case? I know Mark has more money, but since you have so many
> programmers, and seem so passionate about your OS, why aren't you as
> successful getting publicity? I'm n
Eduard Bloch wrote:
> I know that feeling, and IMO it can be enjoyable: getting things done
> without investing own effort into them ;-)
I have not been NMUed in hostile way (yet), maybe I am not prone to
seeing it like a hostile behaviour, because I take it as "this person
cares about $PACKAGE, t
#include
* Amaya [Sat, Jul 29 2006, 12:18:29AM]:
> Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > Have you set a proper ultimatum and have you made understandable that
> > you are going to NMU? I usually do it this way so the terms are clear
> > for both sides. And/or using delayed upload to not forget about the
> > tim
On Jul 29, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So what? A solution that is hard to maintain is better than no solution
> at all. It would be hard, but it would *work*. Then, there would still
A solution which is not practical to implement is not a solution.
But as usual, feel free to pro
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 11:50:29PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > Prepare the upload (more time) upload (..) get flamed by the
> > maintainer because the period was too short ...
> Have you set a proper ultimatum and have you made understandable that
> you are going to NMU? I usually do it this way
Le samedi 29 juillet 2006 à 00:20 +0200, Marco d'Itri a écrit :
> > If you really want innovation, you should do it yourself. There is much
> > room for innovation in udev packaging. Instead of explaining on -devel
> I have other priorities, I suppose that given time I would eventually
> get to it.
On Jul 29, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And this really is an "innovation". Woody to sarge upgrades didn't
> require any manual intervention.
It sucks that the udev upstream maintainers did not have a crystal ball
to be able to prevent future bugs and suboptimal designs, but I sup
Le samedi 29 juillet 2006 à 00:12 +0200, Marco d'Itri a écrit :
> On Jul 29, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The better solution is known: it implies being able to install several
> > udev versions together. Now *that* would be a great innovation. However
> Bullshit. While theori
Eduard Bloch wrote:
> Have you set a proper ultimatum and have you made understandable that
> you are going to NMU? I usually do it this way so the terms are clear
> for both sides. And/or using delayed upload to not forget about the
> time period.
I personally fear that using NMUs as threats (I a
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 01:06:05PM -0600, Katrina Jackson wrote:
> Okay here is another honest question: Do you really honestly think not
> having co-maintainers for base packages is ever a good idea? What if
> someone is busy? You don't really feel safe noticing your base packages
> aren't b
Le samedi 29 juillet 2006 à 00:01 +0200, Marco d'Itri a écrit :
> On Jul 28, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The last time I tried a sarge -> etch upgrade, the udev upgrade stopped
> > until I created /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade manually.
> This is the correct procedure.
And this r
On Jul 29, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The better solution is known: it implies being able to install several
> udev versions together. Now *that* would be a great innovation. However
Bullshit. While theorically possible it would be a complete hell to
maintain for both users and
On 7/28/06, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Le vendredi 28 juillet 2006 à 18:53 -0300, Gustavo Franco a écrit :
> Let us calm down and think twice before replying, please.
>
> Btw, it happened with a co-worker yesterday, i asked him to open a
> bug. I think you could check for the rep
#include
* Stefano Zacchiroli [Fri, Jul 28 2006, 10:40:03PM]:
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 06:55:26PM +0200, Fabio Tranchitella wrote:
> > If you need to apply a patch to one of my packages for a
> > non-critical bug in order to complete an integration work, please send
> > me the patch by BTS an
Le vendredi 28 juillet 2006 à 17:02 -0300, Otavio Salvador a écrit :
> The Marketing thing behind Ubuntu works very well and we should
> learn with them. We have a team to deal with Press and that might work
> better. Other problem is that most of people that are paid to work on
> Debian does that
On Jul 28, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The last time I tried a sarge -> etch upgrade, the udev upgrade stopped
> until I created /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade manually.
This is the correct procedure.
If you do not consider this user interface good enough for your uses
then feel free t
Le vendredi 28 juillet 2006 à 18:53 -0300, Gustavo Franco a écrit :
> Let us calm down and think twice before replying, please.
>
> Btw, it happened with a co-worker yesterday, i asked him to open a
> bug. I think you could check for the report or open the bug Joss.
> Hopefully Marco or somebody e
On 7/28/06, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Le vendredi 28 juillet 2006 à 23:10 +0200, Marco d'Itri a écrit :
> On Jul 28, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Happily you are here to innovate. For example, I love that kernel/udev
> > breakage in sarge to etch upgrades. T
Simon Richter wrote:
> I propose that under that policy, if someone NMUs a package without
> clearing the patch with the maintainer first, that person is responsible
> for the package until the maintainer acknowledges or reverts the NMU.
Isn't that more or less the status quo already?
As in:
Fol
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:03:10 +0200, Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 06:23:46PM +0200, Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I would like to add a -dbg package to exim4. However, I doubt that
>> dh_strip is doing the right thing here.
>>
>> The Debian exim4 source
Le vendredi 28 juillet 2006 à 23:10 +0200, Marco d'Itri a écrit :
> On Jul 28, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Happily you are here to innovate. For example, I love that kernel/udev
> > breakage in sarge to etch upgrades. This is indeed a great innovation
> > (i.e. something we d
On Jul 28, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "innovation" is the industy's current buzzword. Doing things well even
> if someone else had a similar idea before will outlive it.
We used to take pride in inventing stuff like update-alternatives which
solve long-time problems.
> Or do you reall
On Jul 28, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Happily you are here to innovate. For example, I love that kernel/udev
> breakage in sarge to etch upgrades. This is indeed a great innovation
> (i.e. something we didn't have before) that was inspired from Ubuntu.
Nice personal attack, but
Gustavo Franco wrote:
> * Are you working on the package foo ?
>
> In a scenario when anybody or tons of people can upload the package foo,
> it's necessary to tag somewhere that you're working on the package foo.
> Groups do it using IRC or wiki articles today. We could do it using the
> NEWS in
On 7/28/06, Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello,
Gustavo Franco wrote:
> * The package that contains only the Maintainer field with the name of
> a person and not a group can be uploaded by any DD. ping the current
> maintainer is good but not required;
I propose that under that pol
On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 05:08:57AM +1000, Andrew Vaughan wrote:
> Also remember that non-free drivers typically aren't installed automatically
> in Debian, whereas IIRC they are automatically installed in Ubuntu.
The following non-free drivers are installed by default in Ubuntu:
- madwifi (Ath
Hello,
Gustavo Franco wrote:
> * The package that contains only the Maintainer field with the name of
> a person and not a group can be uploaded by any DD. ping the current
> maintainer is good but not required;
I propose that under that policy, if someone NMUs a package without
clearing the pat
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 06:55:26PM +0200, Fabio Tranchitella wrote:
> If you need to apply a patch to one of my packages for a
> non-critical bug in order to complete an integration work, please send
> me the patch by BTS and if I do not reply in a few days feel free to
> upload an NMU.
>
>
Marco d'Itri wrote:
>> * xen integration
> Everybody that matters is doing this.
> BTW, where is this integration visible?
> Do we have a VM provisioning system?
Are you looking for something like xen-tools by Steve Kemp, Debian
packages maintained by Radu Spineanu?
Cheers
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Gustavo Franco wrote:
> I meant with group of maintainers, number of uploaders > 1. Joerg
> Jaspert said that he wouldn't like to be forced to team maintenance
> and suggested 0day NMUs for >= normal bugs with current rules (patch
> to the bts), so if you add this rule to my suggestion, i think it
Le vendredi 28 juillet 2006 à 18:19 +0200, Marco d'Itri a écrit :
> On Jul 28, Amaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Huge Troll Warning
> It's sad that many people replied this way when it's obvious that Debian
> has stopped innovating long ago.
> But I suppose that this is part of the problem.
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* Package name: libcomplearn-ruby
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On 7/28/06, Daniel Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Gustavo Franco wrote:
> For existing packages:
>
> * The package that contains only the Maintainer field with the name of
> a person and not a group can be uploaded by any DD. ping the current
> maintainer is good but not required;
then I wil
Gustavo Franco wrote:
> For existing packages:
>
> * The package that contains only the Maintainer field with the name of
> a person and not a group can be uploaded by any DD. ping the current
> maintainer is good but not required;
then I will have to found a 'these-are-daniels-packages'-group
co
Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes:
>
>> On Jul 28, John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> * xen integration
>> Everybody that matters is doing this.
>> BTW, where is this integration visible?
>> Do we have a VM provisioning system?
>
> Just
"Katrina Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 7/28/06, Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> This is done by Desktop environmnet task. You might give a try to
> Debian once d-i beta3 goes out and then redo your comments.
>
> I think would be really good if you could to
Am Freitag 28 Juli 2006 20:42 schrieb Katrina Jackson:
> For example, why not have the package updater installed for
> those who specifically want to install the desktop environment?
You still only see you way of using computers. In environments with an
administrator, e.g. a pool room, you probab
This thread suggests that it's time for toolchain-source to be retired:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-embedded/2006/07/msg00068.html
If not, perhaps some documentation pointing to this alternative method
of building cross tools should be added to the toolchain-source package.
--
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On 7/28/06, Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is done by Desktop environmnet task. You might give a try toDebian once d-i beta3 goes out and then redo your comments.I think would be really good if you could to do that.
I am happy to hear this. If the Default Desktop environment seem
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 06:38:57PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote:
> One of them is that Ubuntu developers get paid. That makes a huge
> difference, as they can devote a lot more time each day to their work
> than, say, a student who also needs to work besides his university duties
> to stay afloat, an
On (28/07/06 12:12), Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:53:22 +0100, James Westby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > On (28/07/06 10:03), Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> >> pe, 2006-07-28 kello 00:03 +0100, James Westby kirjoitti:
> > But, yes, like all of debhelper it's just a convenience wra
On 7/28/06, Katrina Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Okay here is another honest question: Do you really honestly think not
having co-maintainers for base packages is ever a good idea? What if
someone is busy? You don't really feel safe noticing your base packages
aren't being co-maintain
Marco d'Itri wrote:
> Come on... this is something which rpm-based distributions have been
> doing for ages.
(badly)
> Innovation is not "implementing new stuff" but "*inventing* new stuff".
"innovation" is the industy's current buzzword. Doing things well even
if someone else had a similar idea
John Goerzen wrote:
> That's true, and not what I was trying to say. The original poster
> seemed to be suggesting that this feature ought to be the default for
> everyone, which I believe would be a harm to the user community in
> general.
Well, I think one key thing about listening to /some/ us
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes:
> On Jul 28, John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> * xen integration
> Everybody that matters is doing this.
> BTW, where is this integration visible?
> Do we have a VM provisioning system?
Just for the record, once xen is both integrated into the
On Saturday 29 July 2006 04:42, Katrina Jackson wrote:
> Hardware supported by
> Ubuntu 6 months ago, should be supported by Debian by now.
Just out of interest, what hardware in particular?
Which Debian distribution? (Stable, testing, or unstable)
Also remember that non-free drivers typically
"Katrina Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I keep seeing your arguments about how some people want on;y a 100 MB system
> by
> default. But you do give an option to have a Desktop, even Laptop install.
> What not make those installs have better support for Desktop and Laptop
> Users.
> F
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 12:58:15PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> When Ubuntu leads to users having ideas like the one in the parent post,
> this is manifestly false.
Similar comments have been made by the uninformed in the past, before Ubuntu
even existed, with Red Hat, SuSE, Linspire, etc. in its pla
Okay here is another honest
question: Do you really honestly think not having
co-maintainers for base packages is ever a good idea? What if
someone is busy? You don't really feel safe noticing your base
packages aren't being co-maintained since people are busy.
Also back to the innovation
On 7/28/06, Katrina Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I keep seeing your arguments about how some people want on;y a 100 MB system
by default. But you do give an option to have a Desktop, even Laptop
install. What not make those installs have better support for Desktop and
Laptop Users. For e
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 02:30:27PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> John Goerzen wrote:
> > Think about it -- if you manage dozens, hundreds, or thousands of Debian
> > machines -- few of which even have a monitor -- how useful is this?
> >
> > Debian is all about not making assumptions like this. If yo
On 7/28/06, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
John Goerzen wrote:
> Think about it -- if you manage dozens, hundreds, or thousands of Debian
> machines -- few of which even have a monitor -- how useful is this?
>
> Debian is all about not making assumptions like this. If you want this
> featu
I keep seeing your arguments about how some people want on;y a 100 MB
system by default. But you do give an option to have a Desktop,
even Laptop install. What not make those installs have better
support for Desktop and Laptop Users. For example, why not have
the package updater installed for th
On 7/28/06, Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
* Gustavo Franco [Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:38:52 -0300]:
> * Promote NMU LowThreshold wiki list giving it some official status.
And remember that (well done) NMUs are not only for bugs of RC severity.
For example, I'm going to upload to 7-delayed
On Jul 28, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes. This should be obvious to people who joined the project before 2000.
> It's not to me. To pick one particularly solid example, debootstrap was
> first released in Jan 2001, as a side-shoot[1] of the d-i development that
> was beginning close
I'll try to address my answer on issues not addressed by Matt
Zimmerman.
Fredag 28 juli 2006 17:02, skrev Katrina Jackson:
> I am concerned Debian isn't trying to meet people's needs enough.
I agree with you that Debian could be perceived that way. The 13500+
program packages in Sarge could be o
On Jul 28, John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Some things that have been done since I joined debian:
>
> * apt
> * unified menu system
> * debconf
> * debian-installer
These were innovations, when they were introduced long ago.
> * buildd.debian.net
> * pbuilder
> * srcinst
Where i
John Goerzen wrote:
> Think about it -- if you manage dozens, hundreds, or thousands of Debian
> machines -- few of which even have a monitor -- how useful is this?
>
> Debian is all about not making assumptions like this. If you want this
> feature, you are free to install it.
Debian is capable
* Gustavo Franco [Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:38:52 -0300]:
> * Promote NMU LowThreshold wiki list giving it some official status.
And remember that (well done) NMUs are not only for bugs of RC severity.
For example, I'm going to upload to 7-delayed a fix for #368917, sending
the patch to the BTS at the
Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Jul 28, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Debian stopped innovating?
> Yes. This should be obvious to people who joined the project before 2000.
It's not to me. To pick one particularly solid example, debootstrap was
first released in Jan 2001, as a side-shoot[
On 7/28/06, Mario Iseli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi there,
(...)
I imagine if we would have a big CVS tree like Gentoo or some BSD's, i
wouldn't know where to begin with my work or what I sould do. The forest
is so large and you don't see the tree!
I don't think we need a central approach,
also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.07.28.1912 +0100]:
> I'm sorry, writing too many replies. There you go[0].
>
> [0] = http://wiki.debian.org/DWTT
sweet! I'll definitely be waiting for this one to go live!
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also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.07.28.1909 +0100]:
> >Yes, I am also surprised about the civil tone (on most of the replies).
>
> I've the same feeling, best thread in Debian mailing lists for me
> after years and years.
I was interviewed about Debian today and one thing I "h
On 7/28/06, Tyler MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally, I have no problem with this. But if Debian is unwilling to
> fill these (not terribly niche) requirements itself, it's not reasonable
> to complain when people build on Debian in order
On 7/28/06, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.07.28.1901 +0100]:
> This kind of task takes time and isn't well documented on how to
> do from scratch, but hopefully we will have another web tool
> (wotomae) coming to help with this and
Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally, I have no problem with this. But if Debian is unwilling to
> fill these (not terribly niche) requirements itself, it's not reasonable
> to complain when people build on Debian in order to provide a more
> complete solution for a more narro
also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.07.28.1901 +0100]:
> This kind of task takes time and isn't well documented on how to
> do from scratch, but hopefully we will have another web tool
> (wotomae) coming to help with this and other stuff.
What's this? Any links?
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On 7/28/06, Amaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
martin f krafft wrote:
> I am finding lots of interesting points in other people's replies.
Yes, I am also surprised about the civil tone (on most of the replies).
I've the same feeling, best thread in Debian mailing lists for me
after years and yea
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 08:36:08AM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote:
> The copyright file is broken. cf. #336982
>
> > deb822 abstractifies the RFC822 format used in Debian's control files. You
> > can use a deb822 object like a Python dictionary, referring to control
> > fields
> > as dictionary
On 7/28/06, Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Debian is all about not making assumptions like this. If you want this
> feature, you are free to install it.
And, while this makes Debian a wonderful choice for all sorts of things,
it means that
martin f krafft wrote:
> I am finding lots of interesting points in other people's replies.
Yes, I am also surprised about the civil tone (on most of the replies).
> I think the discussion so far has been much constructive. Whether we
> are going to let it deteriorate to a flame fest or not will
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Debian is all about not making assumptions like this. If you want this
> feature, you are free to install it.
And, while this makes Debian a wonderful choice for all sorts of things,
it means that Debian itself isn't a compelling desktop distribution.
On 7/28/06, Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 07:22:11PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
>> On Jul 28, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Debian stopped innovating?
>> Yes. This should be obvious to people who join
Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Steve Kemp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Neither Ubuntu nor Debian do anything special to get hardware support
>> that is provided by the kernel proper and tools that neither group
>> created.
>
> That's not actually true. I do a lot of work in U
On 7/28/06, Fabio Tranchitella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Pierre,
please don't Cc me, I read this list. :)
Il giorno ven, 28/07/2006 alle 19.28 +0200, Pierre Habouzit ha scritto:
> and that won't happen because I'm not very keen on leraning yet another
> VCS, and that other's think the same
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 07:22:11PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
>> On Jul 28, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Debian stopped innovating?
>> Yes. This should be obvious to people who joined the project before 2000.
>
> I'm one, and it's no
On 7/28/06, Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, and we could start by really enforcing co-maintainership. Make it 100%
> mandatory for all essential, required and base packages at first.
Are there packages which are particularly well co-maintained right now?
What about debian-insta
On 7/28/06, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.07.28.1838 +0100]:
> * Promote NMU LowThreshold wiki list giving it some official status.
> The developer needs to be logged and mark if all his packages (where
> he's listed as uploader) c
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 10:57:05AM -0600, Katrina Jackson wrote:
> I am sorry I am a Troll. I guess I was too harsh. But I guess these are my
> main resons for writing.
>
> A.) Ubuntu seems to have such better Hardware support I wonder if people
> are only packaging, not working on Hardware sup
On 7/28/06, John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 07:22:11PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Jul 28, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Debian stopped innovating?
> Yes. This should be obvious to people who joined the project before 2000.
I'm one, and it's
also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.07.28.1838 +0100]:
> * Promote NMU LowThreshold wiki list giving it some official status.
> The developer needs to be logged and mark if all his packages (where
> he's listed as uploader) can be NMU'ed or not. He could add comments
> like "I'm li
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 06:20:11PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> * John Wright [Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:43:28 -0600]:
>
> > The URI above is actually a bzr (Bazaar-NG) branch. Note that the
> > "working tree" doesn't automatically get updated, so the files you see
> > there when using a web browser m
On 7/28/06, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Please reply to -project only!
also sprach Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.07.28.1737 +0100]:
> If Debian had slightly less of a culture of "Keep your hands off
> my package", I'd do it here instead.
I've been thinking about this
also sprach Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.07.28.1822 +0100]:
> > Debian stopped innovating?
> Yes. This should be obvious to people who joined the project before 2000.
I wonder who the troll is now.
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On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 07:22:11PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Jul 28, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Debian stopped innovating?
> Yes. This should be obvious to people who joined the project before 2000.
I'm one, and it's not obvious to me.
Some things that have been done s
Package: toolchain-source
Severity: grave
Tags: patch
toolchain-source as it stands is currently unusable for building ARM
cross-compiler targets. It appears that you must specify "arm-linux-gnu" to
several of the builds in order to get the install to work correctly.
However, this target is not su
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 05:44:38PM +0100, Steve Kemp wrote:
> > If Debian had slightly less of a culture of
> > "Keep your hands off my package", I'd do it here instead.
>
> That seems understandable. I'm keen on teams, but even more keen
> on a less "ownery" stance by package owners.
I agre
On Jul 28, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Debian stopped innovating?
Yes. This should be obvious to people who joined the project before 2000.
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ciao,
Marco
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On 7/28/06, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 10:46:57AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> Debian is a project of volunteers. I am a Debian volunteer. I'm not
> going to write something just because you gripe at me about it. I have
> no obligation to you. I will wor
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