Bug#206187: probably you

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Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What is this, solution number 4 for Mr. BSG's complaints? I am almost > beginning to believe that he is more interested in complaining than just > fixing the problem. And the gratuitous rudeness is apalling. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What is this, solution number 4 for Mr. BSG's complaints? I am almost > beginning to believe that he is more interested in complaining than just > fixing the problem. Solution? How about this, if I apply that recipe and try to compile, you pay me $100

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Oh, come on. > > sed -i -e '1s/python[0-9\.]*/python2.4/' $(find . -name '*.py') > > Don't tell me it takes you more than half a minute to come up with > something like that. And don't tell me you can write a mail such as the > one I'm replying to in l

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-26 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Wouter Verhelst said: > On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 07:25:59PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > This is incorrect; I write and read very quickly. > > Oh, come on. > > sed -i -e '1s/python[0-9\.]*/python2.4/' $(find . -name '*.py') > > Don't tell me it takes you more

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Joey Hess
Bruce Sass wrote: > [1] "obvious" fixes, imo: - Use dpkg --command-fd -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bug#379857: ITP: git-completion -- content addressable filesystem (bash completion)

2006-07-26 Thread Sebastian Harl
Hi, > > * Package name: git-completion > > Version : 0+20060722 > > Upstream Author : Ben Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * URL : http://www.hawaga.org.uk/ben/tech/gitcompletion/ > > * License : GPL > > Description : content addressable filesystem (bash c

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Bruce Sass
On Tue July 25 2006 05:38, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Except that libapt does NOT correctly handle dependency loops and can > split them between dpkg calls causing install failures. > > The more circular depends there are the more likely such a failure > becomes. So wouldn't it be a good thing t

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 04:41:37PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > * Ian Jackson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060726 13:18]: > >> But, for example, foo <-Depends-> foo-data is not usually an example > >> of a silly dependency. > > > > Actually, there is

Re: Status of iproute package for Etch

2006-07-26 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 10:05:57PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > Do the newer versions include documentation of the semantics of the ip > commands (and not just the syntax)? I'm not sure if I understand you, but there are some documents which describes ip command and some other programs (which co

Re: Status of iproute package for Etch

2006-07-26 Thread Florian Weimer
* Milan P. Stanic: > For new kernels there are new upstream releases at: > http://developer.osdl.org/dev/iproute2/download/ and they are named as > iproute2-kernel.version-releasedate Do the newer versions include documentation of the semantics of the ip commands (and not just the syntax)? --

Re: Bug#379857: ITP: git-completion -- content addressable filesystem (bash completion)

2006-07-26 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
Sebastian Harl wrote: > * Package name: git-completion > Version : 0+20060722 > Upstream Author : Ben Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL : http://www.hawaga.org.uk/ben/tech/gitcompletion/ > * License : GPL > Description : content addressable filesystem (b

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 07:25:59PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > - From http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/07/msg00684.html: > > > But I don't alas, have the time to spend on a workaround patch myself, > > > which will (supposedly

Re: intent to hijack python-paramiko

2006-07-26 Thread Jeremy Bouse
Go ahead and NMU with my thanks and blessing... I've made my move cross-country but my system at home is still without network connectivity at this time and the telco has been unable to give me anything close to a firm ETA of when they will. Regards,JeremyOn 7/17/06, Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Self-conflicts and self-depends

2006-07-26 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
On mer, 26 lug 2006, Russ Allbery wrote: > However, I don't see how the self-conflicts *hurts* anything, and some > people are currently using this technique, probably because it's easier to > remember to always have the Conflits. So what are we gaining by adding a > check for this and making peop

Re: Self-conflicts and self-depends

2006-07-26 Thread Russ Allbery
Fabio Tranchitella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Il giorno mar, 25/07/2006 alle 18.10 -0700, Russ Allbery ha scritto: >> So, are people sure this is not useful even if the package name doubles >> as a virtual package? It seems to me like it would be. Or are people >> just arguing that that case

Bug#379984: O: grip -- GNOME-based CD-player/ripper/encoder

2006-07-26 Thread Taku YASUI
Package: wnpp Severity: normal Grip has been reported lots of bugs. However I haven't make a enough time to follow and maintain. The package description is as follows: It has the ripping capabilities of cdparanoia builtin, but can also use external rippers (such as cdda2wav). It also provides

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Jul 26, 2006, Martin Michlmayr wrote: >> You could just add an explicit dependency on python2.4 and do a >> s/python/python2.4/ over lilypond. > > For which I've sent a patch already. I believe the patch you sent was not against the current upstr

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jul 25, 2006, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> Some have suggested patching lilypond to call python2.4, depending on >> python2.4, and not bothering with python-central and pyversions and >> such. > > No, this is still required, but I didn't want to

Re: Self-conflicts and self-depends

2006-07-26 Thread Hubert Chan
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:22:54 +1000, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 01:17:30PM +0200, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: >> A: nothing; >> B: provides A; conflicts A >> >> ... which produces the same result, because you can't install both A >> and B because B conflicts w

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Frank Küster
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> * Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060726 14:49]: What about using Suggests instead of "Depends-for-being-useful"? >>> >>> Suggests is *way* weaker.

Re: Self-conflicts and self-depends

2006-07-26 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
Il giorno gio, 27/07/2006 alle 00.22 +1000, Hamish Moffatt ha scritto: > Now extend for more than two packages. Should each package list every > other, require every package to be updated when another is added? > > Instead they can all provide and conflict a common virtual package. It is ok to co

Re: Bug#379475: [Etch] Should sysfsutils be added to the base system?

2006-07-26 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Riku Voipio [Wed, Jul 26 2006, 12:18:54PM]: > On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 06:10:23PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > I disagree. You compare a 11kB utility (sysctl) with a new 132kB > > package. > > You are comparing two completly different things. If we are to > actually compare the size o

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 26 juillet 2006 à 11:49 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit : > I agree that there are many silly dependencies and they should be > fixed. And don't you agree that there have been enough unpredictable bug cases caused by circular dependencies so that we can try remove all of unneeded ones? We d

Re: Self-conflicts and self-depends

2006-07-26 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
Il giorno mer, 26/07/2006 alle 16.48 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow ha scritto: > > Conflicts on virtual packages assure that two real packages providing > > the virtual one can't be installed togheter, so let's say: > > > > A: provides D; conflicts D > > B: provides D; conflicts D > > > > It is not p

Re: New Naming Convention

2006-07-26 Thread Miriam Ruiz
--- Adrian von Bidder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > (Hmmm. Model/Actress names are now available for use, now that the scripts > have been renamed. Yay Debian Noemi 4.1!) I don't want to start a flame, but I think this was out of place. Miry ___

Re: Self-conflicts and self-depends

2006-07-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Fabio Tranchitella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Il giorno mar, 25/07/2006 alle 18.10 -0700, Russ Allbery ha scritto: >> So, are people sure this is not useful even if the package name doubles as >> a virtual package? It seems to me like it would be. Or are people just >> arguing that that case

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> * Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060726 14:49]: >>> What about using Suggests instead of "Depends-for-being-useful"? >> >> Suggests is *way* weaker. > > Sorry, I meant Recommends. > >> The Needs would trig

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > * Ian Jackson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060726 13:18]: >> But, for example, foo <-Depends-> foo-data is not usually an example >> of a silly dependency. > > Actually, there is no reason why foo-data needs foo configured before > being configured, bu

Re: Self-conflicts and self-depends

2006-07-26 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 01:17:30PM +0200, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: > Il giorno mar, 25/07/2006 alle 18.10 -0700, Russ Allbery ha scritto: > > So, are people sure this is not useful even if the package name doubles as > > a virtual package? It seems to me like it would be. Or are people just > >

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Frank Küster
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060726 14:49]: >> What about using Suggests instead of "Depends-for-being-useful"? > > Suggests is *way* weaker. Sorry, I meant Recommends. > The Needs would trigger automatic installation > with any tool. Actually,

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Simon Richter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060726 15:38]: > Andreas Barth wrote: > > > Suggests is *way* weaker. The Needs would trigger automatic installation > > with any tool. Actually, if > > A->B (depends), B->C(depends), and C->B(Needs), then A won't be > > configured until both B and C are instal

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, Andreas Barth wrote: > Suggests is *way* weaker. The Needs would trigger automatic installation > with any tool. Actually, if > A->B (depends), B->C(depends), and C->B(Needs), then A won't be > configured until both B and C are installed. What stops us from using Recommends for that. The def

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060726 14:49]: > What about using Suggests instead of "Depends-for-being-useful"? Suggests is *way* weaker. The Needs would trigger automatic installation with any tool. Actually, if A->B (depends), B->C(depends), and C->B(Needs), then A won't be configured unti

Status of iproute package for Etch

2006-07-26 Thread Milan P. Stanic
Hi, [ I thought to post that message to Alexander Wirt but I don't like to send private mail to people before previous agreement ] Default kernel in Etch will be 2.6.17 but the iproute package for now is 20051007 version. For new kernels there are new upstream releases at: http://developer.osd

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Frank Küster
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > * Ian Jackson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060726 13:18]: >> But, for example, foo <-Depends-> foo-data is not usually an example >> of a silly dependency. > > Actually, there is no reason why foo-data needs foo configured before > being configured, but

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Stephen Gran ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060726 13:46]: > This one time, at band camp, Andreas Barth said: > > Hi, > > > > * Ian Jackson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060726 13:18]: > > > But, for example, foo <-Depends-> foo-data is not usually an example > > > of a silly dependency. > > > > Actually, there

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Andreas Barth said: > Hi, > > * Ian Jackson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060726 13:18]: > > But, for example, foo <-Depends-> foo-data is not usually an example > > of a silly dependency. > > Actually, there is no reason why foo-data needs foo configured before > being conf

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Andreas Barth
Hi, * Ian Jackson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060726 13:18]: > But, for example, foo <-Depends-> foo-data is not usually an example > of a silly dependency. Actually, there is no reason why foo-data needs foo configured before being configured, but there might be reason for the other direction. Why no

Re: New Naming Convention

2006-07-26 Thread Michael Banck
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 10:22:44AM -0700, Jeremy Herndon wrote: > I currently do not subscribe to the mailing lists. So I don't know if > this has been considered. This is not a development issue, and should not be discussed on this list (which has enough traffic already) considering the high bik

Re: Self-conflicts and self-depends

2006-07-26 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
Il giorno mar, 25/07/2006 alle 18.10 -0700, Russ Allbery ha scritto: > So, are people sure this is not useful even if the package name doubles as > a virtual package? It seems to me like it would be. Or are people just > arguing that that case will never occur? Conflicts on virtual packages assu

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Goswin von Brederlow writes ("Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5"): > So you seem to be all for cleaning out that mad stuff, right? Absolutely. > Lets all get on with the list initialiy posted and fix those circular > depends or note why they are required. I agree that there are

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Josselin Mouette wrote: >> Le dimanche 23 juillet 2006 à 10:55 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : >> > > Furthermore, there is no real justification for the circular dependency >> > > in debconf. Why don't you just fix it? >> > >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > <[EMAIL

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Josselin Mouette writes ("Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5"): >> Le lundi 24 juillet 2006 à 17:15 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit : >> > Of course particular instances of circular dependencies might be >> > problematic. I would try to avoid it

Re: Bug#379475: [Etch] Should sysfsutils be added to the base system?

2006-07-26 Thread Riku Voipio
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 06:10:23PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > I disagree. You compare a 11kB utility (sysctl) with a new 132kB > package. You are comparing two completly different things. If we are to actually compare the size of tools actually *needed*: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1554 2006-05-12 1

Re: ITA: lcdproc

2006-07-26 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: José Luis Tallón 2006-07-25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > This is mostly to let ftpmasters know that he has indeed agreed to > these terms so that the upload won't be rejected. > Jon, just give an ACK on-list and that should be it. Unless you are building new binaries, your upload won't be NEW

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-26 Thread Loïc Minier
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Some have suggested patching lilypond to call python2.4, depending on > python2.4, and not bothering with python-central and pyversions and > such. No, this is still required, but I didn't want to force a choice between python-support or python-

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-26 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le mer 26 juillet 2006 08:41, Thomas Bushnell BSG a écrit : > Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> It takes about eight hours per compilation attempt on my available > >> hardware running unstable. > > > > oh, and you really need to watch all the lines of the compilation > > during the

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-26 Thread Loïc Minier
On Wed, Jul 26, 2006, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > You could just add an explicit dependency on python2.4 and do a > s/python/python2.4/ over lilypond. For which I've sent a patch already. -- Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubs