Re: proposal for a more efficient download process

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Tyler MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > +1. We've been using bsdiff (http://www.daemonology.net/bsdiff/) at > work for some internal stuff and it's great. Oh, and one more thing: | bsdiff is quite memory-hungry. It requires max(17*n,9*n+m)+O(1) | bytes of memory, where n is the size

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 03:45:24PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> What would you suggest instead? > > Stop signing keys for Debian developers, since purchased ID's > > are acceptable in this community? ;) At this point, I am not sure

Re: proposal for a more efficient download process

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Tyler MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > http://www.daemonology.net/bsdiff/ How does that compare with rsync batch files? MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 26 May 2006 18:34, Russ Allbery wrote: > Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require at > >> least two photo ID's issued by the government). > > > > WTF? In Ore

Re: Please revoke your signatures from MartinKraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 26 May 2006 13:40, Joe Smith wrote: > Apparently the US makes it very clear that US Citizens are not to be > pestered at customs > "OR ELSE". If only that were true. The Americans give me hell. Canada practically waves me through. Last time I drove back to Oregon, US customs decide

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 26 May 2006 10:33, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Some countries that have shaky relations with others usually agree to > stamp you an extra sheet, so that your passport does not show the fact > you were to that country. I have seen this both in Cuba and in > Israel. About the only way for an Ame

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Paul Johnson dijo [Fri, May 26, 2006 at 08:06:40AM -0700]: > On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require at least > > two photo ID's issued by the government). > > WTF? In Oregon, if you have a driver's license, yo

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-26 Thread Michael Banck
Heya, On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 11:20:26PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mercredi 24 mai 2006 à 16:01 -0700, Erast Benson a écrit : > > Thanks for all replies. > > In a private email you sent me, you said you were going to stop posting > on Debian mailing lists. This was just another lie. >

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 26 May 2006 15:27, Ron Johnson wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require at > >> least two photo ID's issued by the government). > > > > WTF? In Oregon, if you have a dri

Re: proposal for a more efficient download process

2006-05-26 Thread Tyler MacDonald
> I. the reason why i suggest a patch-oriented download process +1. We've been using bsdiff (http://www.daemonology.net/bsdiff/) at work for some internal stuff and it's great. Furthermore, since unstable has gone to using diffs for the Packages files, my dselect updates have been *way* fa

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 26 May 2006 15:20, Ron Johnson wrote: > Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 05:45:42PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> On Thursday 25 May 2006 15:26, Mike Hommey wrote: > > [snip] > > > [0] As long as he doesn't go and vote too, since the people in the voting

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 26 May 2006 00:50, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le jeudi 25 mai 2006 à 02:36 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > > It has come to my attention that Martin Kraff used an > > unofficial, and easily forge-able, identity device at a large key > > signing party recently. > > FWIW, I'm p

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 26 May 2006 00:29, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Manoj Srivastava: > > I will not be signing his keys, ever, based on this action of > > what I consider to be bad faith. Based on discussion with other > > people who seem to find this action amusing, but not unacceptable, I > > fin

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Davide G. M. Salvetti
> MS == Manoj Srivastava [2006-5-26] MS> These are not poor keysigning techniques, unless you accept all ID MS> document verification techniques rely on a gentleman's agreement MS> about not presenting purchased ID's. I think gentlemen don't need ID's, since of course they do not lie when th

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Christian Pernegger
> Stop signing keys for Debian developers, since purchased ID's are acceptable in this community? ;) There's a difference between 'purchase' and 'pay for' in this context. I have always had to pay for any kind of ID card, be it passport, citizen's ID or student ID. You make it sound like he bo

Re: not running depmod at boot time

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On May 26, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> No, Im asking to have _one_ delay at a defined point instead of X >> packages having a delay because they might have to run depmod manualy. > This is not a choice, every package which install

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Please use reply-to-list instead of reply-to-all, I do read debian-devel. On Friday 26 May 2006 14:01, Tyler MacDonald wrote: > Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I requir

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Robert Collins
On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 15:45 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I think the core issue here is if we deem presenting purchased > > identification at an event designed to extend the web of trust > > acceptable behaviour. > > I don't thin

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think the core issue here is if we deem presenting purchased > identification at an event designed to extend the web of trust > acceptable behaviour. I don't think anyone has said that it's satisfactory. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EM

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require at least >> two photo ID's issued by the government). > > WTF? In Oregon, if you have a driver's licen

Re: Bug#368985: ITP: mod-bt -- BitTorrent tracker for the Apache2 web server

2006-05-26 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Ondrej Sury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 08:07 -0700, Tyler MacDonald wrote: > > * Package name: mod-bt > > I suggest to name your package (you can name just binary package, but it > since you are building just one binary package, it's easier to rename > source package as

Re: Bug#368985: ITP: mod-bt -- BitTorrent tracker for the Apache2 web server

2006-05-26 Thread Ondrej Sury
On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 08:07 -0700, Tyler MacDonald wrote: > * Package name: mod-bt I suggest to name your package (you can name just binary package, but it since you are building just one binary package, it's easier to rename source package as well) as libapache-mod-bt to follow common practic

Key rotation deployments (Was: bits from the release team)

2006-05-26 Thread Ondrej Sury
On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 19:57 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > > But that is not relevant to the problem. Experience shows that keys do > > get compromised and need changing. So rotation or no rotation the key > > change has to be handled anyway. Rotation just adds it at specific > > intervals on top o

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread David Moreno Garza
Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Not always. > > In Mexico, upon reentry, my passport is sometimes stamped, but usually > not. You _usually_ don't get your passport stamped? Really? In recent flights? I have never entered Mexico back without the Immigration seal. > Within the Schengen area (European Union

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Goswin von Brederlow may or may not have written... > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Actually, passports are not really an answer (I have no idea what the >> passport of cameroon looke like, for example). Given time, one can pay >> more attention to each document (I

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Jacob S
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 26 May 2006 08:06:40 -0700 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require > > at least two photo ID's issued by the govern

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread David Moreno Garza
Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > I disagree with this; Debian has no need to know my birthdate or -place > and I don't see a reason to stuff that kind of information into a database. I agree with this. Although checking for date of birth while checking your GPG key is a very nice thing I learned from som

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require at least > > two photo ID's issued by the government). > > WTF? In Oregon, if you have a driver's license, you cannot get an ID

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread David Moreno Garza
Penny Leach wrote: >Penny is clearly short for Penelope. No, it is not _clear_. I don't have to know what are the short names for almost any name around. I'm also confused with names in German (correct me if wrong, please) containing, for example 'ö' and being displayed as 'oe', or some of the

Bug#357566: marked as done (FTBFS with G++ 4.1: misc (horrible) errors)

2006-05-26 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Sat, 08 Apr 2006 06:32:15 -0700 with message-id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and subject line Accepted tcm 2.20+TSQD-3 (source i386 all) has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 07:15:53AM +1200, Penny Leach wrote: > On 5/26/06, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While you're obviously free to set your own standards as to whose keys > >you sign and not, I have come to the conclusion that the "exact same > >spelling" requirement doesn't ma

Re: Please revoke your signatures from MartinKraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Joe Smith
"David Moreno Garza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Luca Capello wrote: As a side note, while my passport was valid (re-newed the day before leaving for Mexico because I forgot it was expired after 5 years and not 10), I didn't get any Mexican seal when I arrived a

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Russ Allbery
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require at >> least two photo ID's issued by the government). > WTF? In Oregon, if you have a driver's license, you cannot get an ID > c

Bug#358591: marked as done (FTBFS with G++ 4.1: extra qualification)

2006-05-26 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Sun, 14 May 2006 19:47:10 -0700 with message-id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and subject line Accepted openbabel 2.0.1-1 (source i386) has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is no

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Penny Leach
On 5/27/06, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Only if you are reasonably well acquinted with the English language andusual english names and nicknames.This is true. One of the people at Debconf 5 I was thinking of, whose name I absolutely have no idea of anymore, was either a n

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Gunnar Wolf
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dijo [Fri, May 26, 2006 at 10:34:50AM -0500]: > > know who Martin Krafft is; I've seen him at a number of FOSDEM > > instances, and I've seen him last year in Helsinki, where I called > > him by his name (to which he reacted), and where literally hundreds > > of others did the sam

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 27 May 2006, Penny Leach wrote: > struck me as a little bit silly. Penny is clearly short for Penelope. Only if you are reasonably well acquinted with the English language and usual english names and nicknames. > Perhaps this was my bad when I made the key & displayed a lack of foresight.

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 01:47:15PM -0500, David Moreno Garza wrote: > That's illegal actually. It is quite often to get your passport sealed > while leaving your country but it is supposed to be mandatory to get the > seal in the country you are arriving, otherwise you could be thought > you are an

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Gunnar Wolf
David Moreno Garza dijo [Fri, May 26, 2006 at 01:47:15PM -0500]: > > As a side note, while my passport was valid (re-newed the day before > > leaving for Mexico because I forgot it was expired after 5 years and > > not 10), I didn't get any Mexican seal when I arrived at Mexico City > > airport. A

Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-05-26 Thread Jacob S
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:21:35 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ian Jackson wrote: > > Kevin B. McCarty writes ("Re: sending debian-private postings to > > gmail"): > >> Ian Jackson wrot

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread David Moreno Garza
Luca Capello wrote: > As a side note, while my passport was valid (re-newed the day before > leaving for Mexico because I forgot it was expired after 5 years and > not 10), I didn't get any Mexican seal when I arrived at Mexico City > airport. As 2 others DDs with me (Aurelien Jarno and Matthias K

Re: use of "invoke-rc.d $PACKAGE stop || exit $?" in prerm scripts

2006-05-26 Thread Florian Weimer
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh: > On Tue, 23 May 2006, Florian Weimer wrote: >> I suppose it would be preferable to fix the "stop" target of the init > > There is nothing preferable about it. Stop targets *are* to exit with > status 0 if the service is already stopped. Makes sense. In this case,

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 26 May 2006, Matt Zagrabelny spake thusly: > On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 16:16 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Cracking is not a scientific study. > > cracking may not be, but determining the average number of people > who spot an unofficial id could be construed to be. I can honestly stat

proposal for a more efficient download process

2006-05-26 Thread curt manucredo (hansycm)
Dear Debian-Developers All Over The World! may i introduce my, proposal for a more efficient download process I. the reason why i suggest a patch-oriented download process II. a brief description II.A. on the users

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 26 May 2006 07:06, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On 25 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell told this: > > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Based on this, I strongly suggest that mere signatures on a new > >> maintainers key from a DD be also not enough, since people have now > >> effec

Re: Multiarch preparations needed for etch dpkg

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:07:00AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Only the "dpkg:arch" is required and that can be done with "Provides: >> dpkg-arch" again. > > Right. I wonder if even this should strictly be necessary, though, or if > dpkg shou

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Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 25 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow uttered the following: > >> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> I would say, off hand, that section 8.2 is for people who want >>> to provide a shared library for other packages, with a stable ABI,

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> What would you suggest instead? > > Stop signing keys for Debian developers, since purchased ID's > are acceptable in this community? ;) At this point, I am not sure what > my stance is going to be. What do you think we get by having the s

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 05:45:42PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: >> On Thursday 25 May 2006 15:26, Mike Hommey wrote: [snip] > [0] As long as he doesn't go and vote too, since the people in the voting > table > wou

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 26 May 2006, David Moreno Garza wrote: > That's illegal actually. It is quite often to get your passport sealed I have no idea about illegal (it might well be against some international treaty, however), but it is very dangerous for you not to have your passport stamped. There are very fe

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 26 May 2006, Thiemo Seufer outgrape: > Keysigning isn't for judging behaviour but for confirming identity. > * Michael Meskes: > >> This may be a silly question but doesn't my signature only state >> that I certify this key really belongs to the person it seems to >> belong to? > > Exactly. It

Re: not running depmod at boot time

2006-05-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 26, Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However, since one cannot run depmod properly without the respective > kernel being installed, removing the depmod call will caus harm. Are you sure that this is still true? I believe that this has been fixed a long time ago. > It should be p

Re: not running depmod at boot time

2006-05-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 26, Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What about using depmod -a instead, how much would it cost? AFAICS it > > We already do. > Eh, typo, should have been "depmod -A". I think this is a sufficiently > time-optimized version of "depmod -a". Yes, this is what the script uses. --

Re: Request for key signing in Shanghai

2006-05-26 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Thomas Goirand said: > Hello! > > Is there somebody in Shanghai from Debian able to check my ID and sign > my key? If there is none, is there somebody in Singapore, where I might > be able to go? I wouldn't be able to go in Hongkong (because of visa > problems) where I

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread srivasta
On 26 May 2006, Wouter Verhelst told this: > On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 11:57:09AM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: >> This may be a silly question but doesn't my signature only state >> that I certify this key really belongs to the person it seems to >> belong to? > > That aside, personally, I don't kno

Bug#368985: ITP: mod-bt -- BitTorrent tracker for the Apache2 web server

2006-05-26 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Tyler MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: mod-bt Version : 0.0.16 Upstream Author : Tyler MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.crackerjack.net/mod_bt/ * License : Apache 2.0 Programming Lang: C, la

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Florian Weimer
* Michael Meskes: > This may be a silly question but doesn't my signature only state that I > certify this key really belongs to the person it seems to belong to? Exactly. It does not tell us anything about your views regarding that person or the purpose of the key itself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require at least > two photo ID's issued by the government). WTF? In Oregon, if you have a driver's license, you cannot get an ID card. If you have an ID card, you have to surren

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 11:57:09AM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 04:30:07PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > On 25 May 2006, Andreas Tille spake thusly: > > > Is there any reason to revoke my signature I have put on > > > Martin's key after he showed me his passport? > >

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 09:52:48AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > > >and not showing any passports or showing passports: > > [...] > > >- which did not had the *same* spelling as the name in the key (letter by > > letter) > > > >will not get a signature

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 05:45:42PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thursday 25 May 2006 15:26, Mike Hommey wrote: > > > > I'm pretty sure we can find official IDs that look so lame that you'd think > > it's a fake (the old french ones could be good example, and i know people > > who still use that

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, I think the core issue here is if we deem presenting purchased identification at an event designed to extend the web of trust acceptable behaviour. I check photographs, name, age, and expiry dates on ID presented. I did not include document verification in that checklist,

Re: not running depmod at boot time

2006-05-26 Thread Joey Hess
Martin Schulze wrote: > However, since one cannot run depmod properly without the respective > kernel being installed, removing the depmod call will caus harm. Kernels already run depmod when installed, and module packages would just need to be changed to call depmod with the right parameters to m

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 11:20:26PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mercredi 24 mai 2006 à 16:01 -0700, Erast Benson a écrit : > > Thanks for all replies. > > In a private email you sent me, you said you were going to stop posting > on Debian mailing lists. This was just another lie. Hmm, Debi

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 25 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell told this: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> It has come to my attention that Martin Kraff used an unofficial, >> and easily forge-able, identity device at a large key signing party >> recently. This was apparently to belabour the obvious point th

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 25 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow uttered the following: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I would say, off hand, that section 8.2 is for people who want >> to provide a shared library for other packages, with a stable ABI, >> and a development package to facilitate linking

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 26 May 2006, Florian Weimer outgrape: > * Manoj Srivastava: > >> I will not be signing his keys, ever, based on this action of what >> I consider to be bad faith. Based on discussion with other people >> who seem to find this action amusing, but not unacceptable, I find >> that my decision to

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Penny Leach
On 5/26/06, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: While you're obviously free to set your own standards as to whose keysyou sign and not, I have come to the conclusion that the "exact samespelling" requirement doesn't make that much sense.  As an example, take Bdale whose real name isn't Bdale

Re: bits from the release team

2006-05-26 Thread Florian Weimer
* Goswin von Brederlow: > Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> * Goswin von Brederlow: >> >>> Doesn't work if the key is ever compromised and a new one has to be >>> created out of schedule. Or when you spend your x-mas holidays away >>> from your system and couldn't upgrade before new

Re: Changing the default syslogd (again...)

2006-05-26 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 01:49:20AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > The maintainer, at some point during a private conversation, even > > discouraged me to upload to *experimental* a new version of sysklogd > > fixing the issues I have prepared. That's why they ended up in my > > p.d.o page (they

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Filippo Giunchedi
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 08:00:23PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > FWIW, I noted down those keys I would *not* sign and didn't tell the people > at the KSP that I would not sign them. I guess his experiment "only one in > ten said that they would *not* sign it" is moot unless he back

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Michael Meskes
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 11:06:31AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On 26 May 2006, Thiemo Seufer outgrape: > > > Keysigning isn't for judging behaviour but for confirming identity. > > * Michael Meskes: > > > >> This may be a silly question but doesn't my signature only state > >> that I certify

Re: Daily built images for i386 include graphical installation option

2006-05-26 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 12:10:09AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > At Debconf Joey Hess and I have integrated support for the graphical > installer into the main build system for d-i. For now the support is for > i386 only, but amd64 [1] and powerpc will follow very soon. I've integrated the existing

Re: not running depmod at boot time

2006-05-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 26, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, Im asking to have _one_ delay at a defined point instead of X > packages having a delay because they might have to run depmod manualy. This is not a choice, every package which installs modules must run depmod or they will not be ava

Re: not running depmod at boot time

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Gustavo Franco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 5/25/06, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > Le mardi 23 mai 2006 à 20:52 +0200, Marco d'Itri a écrit : >> >> So, does anybody mind if I remove depmod from the module-init-tools in

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Travis Crump <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Who actually has two forms of government issued picture ID[not counting > a passport which I never take anywhere unless I really need to since it > is really bad to lose it and doesn't fit in a wallet, not to mention my > passport photo isn't a very good

Bug#368966: ITP: pympd -- Frontend for mpd in the style of rhythmbox and itunes

2006-05-26 Thread Franz Pletz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Franz Pletz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: pympd Version : 0.06.1 Upstream Author : pympd Dev Team * URL : http://http://pympd.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: Python Description : Frontend f

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Matt Zagrabelny
On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 16:16 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On 25 May 2006, Stephen Frost spake thusly: > > > * Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >> On 25 May 2006, Stephen Frost spake thusly: > >>> I wasn't making any claim as to the general validity of IDs which > >>> are purchased

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 10:11:55PM -0400, Travis Crump wrote: > Who actually has two forms of government issued picture ID[not counting > a passport which I never take anywhere unless I really need to since it > is really bad to lose it and doesn't fit in a wallet, not to mention my > passport phot

Request for key signing in Shanghai

2006-05-26 Thread Thomas Goirand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello! Is there somebody in Shanghai from Debian able to check my ID and sign my key? If there is none, is there somebody in Singapore, where I might be able to go? I wouldn't be able to go in Hongkong (because of visa problems) where I could see ther

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On 25 May 2006, Andreas Tille spake thusly: > > > On Thu, 25 May 2006, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > >> It has come to my attention that Martin Kraff used an > >> unofficial, and easily forge-able, identity device at a large key > > > > Is there any reason to revoke my si

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Michael Meskes
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 04:30:07PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On 25 May 2006, Andreas Tille spake thusly: > > Is there any reason to revoke my signature I have put on > > Martin's key after he showed me his passport? > > In my opinion, yes, if you consider subverting the KSP like >

Re: Bug#368931: ITP: libjung-java -- Java Universal Network/Graph Framework

2006-05-26 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, May 25, 2006 at 07:29:43PM -0400, Charles Fry a écrit : > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Charles Fry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > * Package name: libjung-java > Version : 1.7.4 > Upstream Author : Joshua O'Madadhain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL : http:

Re: not running depmod at boot time

2006-05-26 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Marco d'Itri [Thu, May 25 2006, 09:36:11AM]: > On May 24, Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What about using depmod -a instead, how much would it cost? AFAICS it > We already do. Eh, typo, should have been "depmod -A". I think this is a sufficiently time-optimized version

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Frank Küster
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 25 May 2006, Stephen Frost verbalised: > >> * Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >>> Explanation? What we have here is an act of bad faith, in the guise >>> of demonstrating a weakness. In my experience, one act of bad faith >>> often leads

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: and not showing any passports or showing passports: [...] - which did not had the *same* spelling as the name in the key (letter by letter) will not get a signature from me. While you're obviously free to set your own standards as to whose keys yo

Re: not running depmod at boot time

2006-05-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 25, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How about having module-init-tools run depmod when needed and have all > other packages rely on that? That way it would run at most once. And how would module-init-tools be supposd to know when it would be needed to run depmod? -- ciao

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Florian Weimer
* Manoj Srivastava: > I will not be signing his keys, ever, based on this action of > what I consider to be bad faith. Based on discussion with other > people who seem to find this action amusing, but not unacceptable, I > find that my decision to vaive my personal requirements of two

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread David Moreno Garza
Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Maybe we should just drop holding KSPs, and fall back to the > traditional method of "Hey, nice dinner we had yesterday. Say, now > that you know me, my family and my history, would you like to sign my > key as well?" - Signing for people you actually know, not just linking > f

Re: not running depmod at boot time

2006-05-26 Thread Martin Schulze
Marco d'Itri wrote: > So, does anybody mind if I remove depmod from the module-init-tools init > script? I guess it would be a time-saver to remove the depmod call. However, since one cannot run depmod properly without the respective kernel being installed, removing the depmod call will caus harm

Work-needing packages report for May 26, 2006

2006-05-26 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 285 (new: 3) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 77 (new: 0) Total number of packages requeste

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Enrico Zini wrote: > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 09:42:07AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: [snip] > People write books in the name of someone else fairly often, actually. > > No, I'm not only thinking about the Bible :) > > There's professional book writers w

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Actually, passports are not really an answer (I have no idea > what the passport of cameroon looke like, for example). Given time, > one can pay more attention to each document (I require at least two > photo ID's issued by the government)

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I would say, off hand, that section 8.2 is for people who want > to provide a shared library for other packages, with a stable ABI, > and a development package to facilitate linking to their > library. There are certain hoops we must jump i

Re: Multiarch preparations needed for etch dpkg

2006-05-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:07:00AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Say you have a binary package (Multi-Arch: no) firfox and a > > library/plugin package firefox-mplayer-plugin. > > This could be handled by firefox having a "Provides: > >

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Ben Hutchings
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On 25 May 2006, Stephen Frost verbalised: > > > * Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >> Explanation? What we have here is an act of bad faith, in the guise > >> of demonstrating a weakness. In my experience, one act of bad faith > >> often leads to others. > >

Re: not running depmod at boot time

2006-05-26 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 5/25/06, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Le mardi 23 mai 2006 à 20:52 +0200, Marco d'Itri a écrit : >> So, does anybody mind if I remove depmod from the module-init-tools init >> script? > > Please go ahead. Anything relying on it

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Travis Crump
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > It has come to my attention that Martin Kraff used an > unofficial, and easily forge-able, identity device at a large key > signing party recently. This was apparently to belabour the obvious > point that large KSP's are events where it is hard to reas

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Joey Hess
James Troup wrote: > My key was part of the DC4 KSP materials, but I didn't manage to > attend in the end. A couple of people signed my key despite my lack > of attendance and one of them an NM applicant, IIRC. Again from > memory, Martin talked to the NM in question who was very apologetic, > cl

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