On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 10:29:30PM +0800, Enrico Zini wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 02:53:52PM +0200, Linas Zvirblis wrote:
> > A hypothetical example: I decide to found a debian-geology team and I am
> > not a Debian Developer. So what now? Should I help debian-med to become
> > a DD? But I
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 06:14:09PM -0500, Benjamin Mesing wrote:
> However I have often heard complaints about broken dependencies and
> broken software in testing.
Sure. Testing isn't perfect, it won't guarantee your software is bug
free; and furthermore it changes daily, which means which bits a
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 01:59:46AM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> * Anthony Towns [Tue, 03 Jan 2006 07:55:06 +1000]:
> > I still think the vi provided by vim-tiny needs to default to compatible
> > mode and no-auto-indenting; but afaik it still doesn't.
> > > If you agree with the change, do Stefano
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 06:29:00AM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> ma, 2006-01-02 kello 22:16 -0500, Benjamin Mesing kirjoitti:
> > But for example I can speak for my package (packagesearch) which broke,
> > when xterm changed how it handles command line arguments. Of course I
> > didn't knew this b
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 11:47:05AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote:
> On 23-Dec-05, 11:54 (CST), Anthony Towns wrote:
> > The size of base matters a little, but it's not an "every byte is
> > sacred" situation.
> > Cheers, aj (base maintainer, for those playing along at home)
> So, it seems that
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 00:28, Andrew Vaughan wrote:
>On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:25, Cord Beermann wrote:
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>> If you have seen those c-r-responses
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> If you have seen those c-r-responses outside of the debian-lists, or
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ma, 2006-01-02 kello 22:16 -0500, Benjamin Mesing kirjoitti:
> I admit I was imprecise, often it are conflicts (usually through library
> stuff) that prevent packages from being installable when you have
> certain other installed, even though you would want both.
> But as mentioned I am only repeat
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:52, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Given the choice between having to double check work done by
> potentially inexperienced folks, and ensuring that the package is
> done by people who can do some of the double checking on their own,
> and make less errors, I'd go for th
Hi,
This should not be an email for this ML, but anyway, I think this
version of gallery could be kind of broken as I have used the Sid one
and works like a charm. This is a little box that I have with gallery
and my web services. I think it most be apache2 the one giving a hard
time here.
Hello
> How on Earth would that be allowed into testing? I can imagine Serious
> bugs slipping trough (because most are reported as Normal, after all),
> but broken dependencies?
I admit I was imprecise, often it are conflicts (usually through library
stuff) that prevent packages from being inst
Cord Beermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>>BTW, Who da hell is some AntiSpam UOL? Everytime that I send an email to
>>>debian-devel that stupid machine sends me an email. Is there a way to
>>>block?
>>
>>Yes, the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is back. You wil
On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:49:38 +0900, Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Hi,
>> A new version of kernel-package is imminent, it is undergoing boot
>> camp out in experimental.
> Congratulations; nice to see some hot action :)
> I've been pondering on using kernel-package to generate debug
* Anthony Towns [Tue, 03 Jan 2006 07:55:06 +1000]:
> I still think the vi provided by vim-tiny needs to default to compatible
> mode and no-auto-indenting; but afaik it still doesn't.
> > If you agree with the change, do Stefano and I need to do anything
> > other than swap vi alternative priorit
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 23:59:41 +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>>> I suspect a similar system for Debian might increase visibility
>>> and commitment from a large set of users.
>>
>> Lacking quality control of the input, I am not at all convinced
>> tha
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 11:47:05AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote:
> On 23-Dec-05, 11:54 (CST), Anthony Towns wrote:
> > The size of base matters a little, but it's not an "every byte is
> > sacred" situation.
> > Cheers, aj (base maintainer, for those playing along at home)
> So, it seems that so
Benjamin Mesing wrote:
However I have often heard complaints about broken dependencies and
broken software in testing. From what I have heard, I would not like to
go with testing for my system.
How on Earth would that be allowed into testing? I can imagine Serious
bugs slipping trough (becaus
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Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> I suspect a similar system for Debian might increase visibility and
>> commitment from a large set of users.
>
> Lacking quality control of the input, I am not at all
> convinced that this is desirable. You know the "old adage of computer
> men", GIGO.
All the
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 11:47:05AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote:
> If you agree with the change, do Stefano and I need to do anything
> other than swap vi alternative priorities and swap important<->optional
> priorities?
On my TODO list I also have to split the vim configuration files in
/etc/vim
Hello
> Secondly, you do not seem to understand how Debian works. "Unstable" is
> called "Unstable" for a reason. It is the first stage of public testing.
> Renaming it to "Latest" would not only falsely describe what it is, but
> would simply be not true. If you want the latest, you download a
Hello,
First of all, I would like to note that I have never experienced
anything like that with my Debian desktop. The only time I have
witnessed such devastating effects was when mixing packages from various
distributions. Yes, that was my own fault. I knew it could happen and it
did happen.
Hallo! Du (Linas Zvirblis) hast geschrieben:
>>BTW, Who da hell is some AntiSpam UOL? Everytime that I send an email to
>>debian-devel that stupid machine sends me an email. Is there a way to
>>block?
>
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[Neil McGovern]
> Sounds like an idea that's being thrown around at the moment:
> http://wiki.debian.org/FriendsOfDebian
Ah, right. Very good idea indeed. :)
That page even had a few more of those. Perhaps we should just go
ahead and implement it . :)
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On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 07:11:26PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
>
> Your ideas reminds me of the Mandriva Club system, where users can
[Snip]
Sounds like an idea that's being thrown around at the moment:
http://wiki.debian.org/FriendsOfDebian
:P
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Hi
I would like to share some interesting experience about using debian
as desktop system.
I have been using debian as my desktop system for several years.
Lately, becouse I gained access to internet, i upgraded my system to
the latest testing distribution of debian (etch, with the Gnome 2.10
envi
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:21:43 -0600, Alejandro Bonilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:06:59 +0100, Frans Pop wrote
>> On Monday 02 January 2006 15:42, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
>> > so should we try to compile such a list and advertise it better,
>> > perhaps from the startpage on
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 19:11:26 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> I suspect a similar system for Debian might increase visibility and
> commitment from a large set of users.
Lacking quality control of the input, I am not at all
convinced that this is desirable. You kn
Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
BTW, Who da hell is some AntiSpam UOL? Everytime that I send an email to
debian-devel that stupid machine sends me an email. Is there a way to block?
Yes, the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is back. You will just have to
block this address on your side until listmaster takes care
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:55:01 -0600, Alejandro Bonilla wrote
> On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:34:31 +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote
> > On Monday 02 January 2006 16.21, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
BTW, Who da hell is some AntiSpam UOL? Everytime that I send an email to
debian-devel that stupid machine sends me a
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:34:31 +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote
> On Monday 02 January 2006 16.21, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> [...]
> > I could support or maintain some packages if I could be teached once, and
> > if the mentoring process to get ownership of one package wouldn't be a
> > pain. I once wa
On Monday 02 January 2006 16.21, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
[...]
> I could support or maintain some packages if I could be teached once, and
> if the mentoring process to get ownership of one package wouldn't be a
> pain. I once wanted to make a package for the ieee80211 stack or another
> small pac
On Monday 02 January 2006 14.48, Gabor Gombas wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 07:29:16PM +, Darren Salt wrote:
> > I'd call that broken, just as I consider udev (076) to be broken given
> > that it breaks expectations wrt device naming. (Here, it swapped the
> > names of the DVD drives (driver
Am Sonntag 01 Januar 2006 19:46 schrieb Joseph Michael Smidt:
> h) Advocacy I have given to the open source community.
Dear Joseph,
happy new year to you all. In this matter, I'd like to stress the
importance to gain the youth, i.e. pupils, for free software, i.e.
GNU/Linux. I plea to support a
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 07:11:26PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> I suspect a similar system for Debian might increase visibility and
> commitment from a large set of users.
With the exception of the web forums and most of the commercial stuff
that does sound rather like debian.org.
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Andreas Fester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> My impression is that the process of becoming a developer is very hard,
> both for the applicant but also for the Application Managers. If someone
> contributed to the project continously for a long time, then decides to
> apply for New Maintainer which
Your ideas reminds me of the Mandriva Club system, where users can
come together and show their commitment and involvement in Madriva
(previously Mandrake Linux). The site is supposed to be
http://club.mandriva.com/>, but I'm unable to get any response
from it. The google cache gave me this intr
On 23-Dec-05, 11:54 (CST), Anthony Towns wrote:
> The size of base matters a little, but it's not an "every byte is
> sacred" situation.
>
> Cheers, aj (base maintainer, for those playing along at home)
Anthony:
So, it seems that so far as Stefano (vim maintainer) and I (nvi
maintainer) are c
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> package, but NO. I had to know someone, that the someone had a developer
> friend that would actually trust me, to ever be able to try posting something.
Supposedly, one post to debian-mentors should have gotten you started. I
guess the "How can you
Well I decided to grab the bull by the horns.
Margarita Manterola had this to say:
So, rounding it up, if you have ideas as to how to get more people to
help Debian, your best course of action is to _go do it_. Create a
wiki page, blog or get someone to blog about it on Planet, etc. No
one is g
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:22:00 -0500, Kevin B. McCarty wrote
> Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
>
> > I would love to help, but the fact is that people that know how to do
> > these things like they know the palm of their hands, don't share
> > information or actually show people how to do things.
>
> Ther
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:10:52 +0100, Andreas Schuldei wrote
> * Alejandro Bonilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-02 09:21:43]:
>
> > On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:06:59 +0100, Frans Pop wrote
> > > On Monday 02 January 2006 15:42, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> > > > so should we try to compile such a list and ad
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Le lundi 02 janvier 2006 à 16:40 +0100, Jérôme Warnier a écrit :
> I wonder why there is no 2.6 kernel package for 586 in Sarge while there
> is for 2.4?
> I can find 386-486-686 and k7, but no 586.
AFAIK, this was done to reduce the (way too high) number of kernels. The
performance improvement of
Hi
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:55, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Monday 02 January 2006 16:40, Jérôme Warnier wrote:
> > I wonder why there is no 2.6 kernel package for 586 in Sarge while
> > there is for 2.4?
> > I can find 386-486-686 and k7, but no 586.
>
> Try linux-{source,image,headers}.
(on sarge, long
Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> I would love to help, but the fact is that people that know how to do
> these things like they know the palm of their hands, don't share
> information or actually show people how to do things.
There is plenty of documentation about how to get started in creating a
Debia
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* Alejandro Bonilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-02 09:21:43]:
> On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:06:59 +0100, Frans Pop wrote
> > On Monday 02 January 2006 15:42, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> > > so should we try to compile such a list and advertise it better,
> > > perhaps from the startpage on www.debian.or
Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:28:06 +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote
>> On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 09:21:43AM -0600, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
>> > I could support or maintain some packages if I could be teached once, and
>> > if
>> > the mentoring process to get ownership of one
On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 05:58:24PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Possibly doing it on the wiki at a page named something like :
>
> http://wiki.debian.org/ArchiveQualification/kfreebsd-i386
>
> would be a good way to go.
The page is in place for kfreebsd-i386.
Bye,
Aurelien
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On Monday 02 January 2006 16:40, Jérôme Warnier wrote:
> I wonder why there is no 2.6 kernel package for 586 in Sarge while
> there is for 2.4?
> I can find 386-486-686 and k7, but no 586.
Try linux-{source,image,headers}.
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I wonder why there is no 2.6 kernel package for 586 in Sarge while there
is for 2.4?
I can find 386-486-686 and k7, but no 586.
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:28:06 +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote
> On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 09:21:43AM -0600, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> > I could support or maintain some packages if I could be teached once, and if
> > the mentoring process to get ownership of one package wouldn't be a pain. I
> > onc
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 09:21:43AM -0600, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> I could support or maintain some packages if I could be teached once, and if
> the mentoring process to get ownership of one package wouldn't be a pain. I
> once wanted to make a package for the ieee80211 stack or another small
>
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:06:59 +0100, Frans Pop wrote
> On Monday 02 January 2006 15:42, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> > so should we try to compile such a list and advertise it better,
> > perhaps from the startpage on www.debian.org?
>
> http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ seems more suited for that.
>
Hi all, happy new year and all that.
Just rolled my own 2.6.12 on a 700 MHz Pentium III, with everything I
need built-in, and very little that I don't. Boot time from button
press to text console, via a grub default confirm, 72 secs :-)
So now that I'm up to speed, I'm trying to grok the
d-bus/u
On Monday 02 January 2006 15:42, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> so should we try to compile such a list and advertise it better,
> perhaps from the startpage on www.debian.org?
http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ seems more suited for that.
That whole page could maybe be organized a bit better by separa
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006, Alexander Schmehl wrote:
> * Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060102 10:21]:
> > (No, I don't really think titles will attract most of the productive
> > kind contributors to Debian. Sorry.)
>
> Being one of those who contributed a lot, I disagree a bit. I would
> say, that
* Enrico Zini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-02 22:26:46]:
> On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 10:02:34AM +0100, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
>
> > there are parts that provide a much easier and smoother entry to
> > helping debian. The debian-installer, the inofficial security
> > team and debian-edu for example
Hi!
* Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060102 10:21]:
> (No, I don't really think titles will attract most of the productive
> kind contributors to Debian. Sorry.)
Being one of those who contributed a lot, I disagree a bit. I would
say, that having a title would be a "nice to have": You cou
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 02:53:52PM +0200, Linas Zvirblis wrote:
> A hypothetical example: I decide to found a debian-geology team and I am
> not a Debian Developer. So what now? Should I help debian-med to become
> a DD? But I am not interested in medicine, I am interested in geology.
1) Open
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 10:02:34AM +0100, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> there are parts that provide a much easier and smoother entry to
> helping debian. The debian-installer, the inofficial security
> team and debian-edu for example are groups that allow even
> non-Debian-Developers to get their han
Hi Margarita! :-)
On 1/2/06, Margarita Manterola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You suggest that people keep track of their contributions, everybody
> can do that in their personal wiki page (yes, that's what Ubuntu does,
> I don't know if it works or not). You could encourage people to do
> that.
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 07:29:16PM +, Darren Salt wrote:
> I'd call that broken, just as I consider udev (076) to be broken given that
> it breaks expectations wrt device naming. (Here, it swapped the names of the
> DVD drives (drivers are built-in) and sound devices (drivers are modular).)
B
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On 1/1/06, Joseph Michael Smidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1.)All people psychologically want to feel important and that they are an
> official
> part of an organization. I feel there should be an official title for all
> contributers
> so they feel like they are part of the community, not ju
Andreas Schuldei wrote:
there are parts that provide a much easier and smoother entry to
helping debian. The debian-installer, the inofficial security
team and debian-edu for example are groups that allow even
non-Debian-Developers to get their hands dirty and do real
(important, relevant) work
Op ma, 02-01-2006 te 11:24 +0100, schreef Andreas Fester:
> > (No, I don't really think titles will attract most of the productive
> > kind contributors to Debian. Sorry.)
>
> I agree that "title" might not be appropriate. Thats why I primarily
> talked about "stages" (maybe there is a better word
hi
does the Debian Policy mandate that binaries should be dynamically
linked and not statically linked to their needed libraries ?
I thought so but I could not find it; in particular, I looked in
section "10.1 Binaries", where it goes at length in talking of the
debugging and stripping options,
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> I find your title unambitious and suggest improvements.
>
>
>>- - Having at least one package in the archive: "Debian Maintainer"
>
>
> "Debian Vice President for Packaging Foo"
which could be subdivided into "Junior Vice President" (aka
co-main
ma, 2006-01-02 kello 09:03 +0100, Andreas Fester kirjoitti:
> You are already a Maintainer as soon as you have a package
> in the archive. Speaking of an "official title" as you suggested,
> maybe something like the following stages could be reasonable:
I find your title unambitious and suggest im
* Linas Zvirblis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-02 01:43:47]:
> There are a lot of people out there that are willing to help Debian, but
> "Help Debian" does look a bit like a horror detective story.
>
> I like the idea of an official title for contributers, but I am not so
> keen on I-did-this-a
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Joseph,
I had similar thoughts recently, so I enjoyed your mail.
Just some short comments:
Some of the things you mentioned are already
available, even if you are not an official developer.
For example,
- - your packages are listed at http://qa.debia
Sorry for the delay in the reply, house moving ...
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 03:24:34PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote:
> Sorry, no insinuation intended, although I see, in retrospect, how it
> can be read that way; my apologies. I just used "Stefano?" to draw your
> attention and ask for your comment
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