Re: Packages-arch-specific (was: Sparc build failure analysis)

2005-12-11 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Russ Allbery] > Maybe the right thing to do would be to work out a way for package > maintainers to provide input to their own P-a-s entries in some sort > of automated fashion? It does seem like a package maintainer is > generally going to know this sort of thing Could be done, but my understa

Re: Bug#342959: Package explicitely build-depends on g++-3.4

2005-12-11 Thread Steve M. Robbins
Howdy, On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 02:18:29AM +0100, Matthias Klose wrote: > We will get rid of g++-3.3 for the etch release and remove the > g++-3.3 package. On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 12:54:22AM +0100, Matthias Klose wrote: > We would like to get rid of g++-3.4 for the etch release, although > curre

Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-11 Thread Erinn Clark
* Erinn Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005:12:11 19:43 -0500]: [...] Oops, this was meant for -project. Apologies for the noise. -- off the chain like a rebellious guanine nucleotide -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-11 Thread Erinn Clark
* Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005:12:11 16:32 -0800]: > On Saturday 10 December 2005 12:07 pm, Josh Rehman wrote: > > > As for being warned, I was told that because my discussion was about > > ubuntu I should stop. Because I felt my discussion was not about > > ubuntu, I did not feel that

Re: Solving recursive dependency disease in KDE-based packages

2005-12-11 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Regenerating acinclude.m4, aclocal.m4, configure.in, and finally configure, > can be a pain in the neck. In some packages, it's done by autoreconf ? > In my experience the redefinition of AC_FOREACH sometimes fights with the Any such redefinitions

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-11 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Dec 11, Charles Fry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But if multiple URLs could satisfactorily serve requests for a single > > repository, only one of them is currently used. > Which is fine, because we do not want people to open multiple > connections to

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-11 Thread John Hasler
Daniel writes: > Why should it be illegal to re-sell or outreach a piece of US hardware, > which is already imported into a free country, into another free country? It would be illegal for Intel to send the hardware to someone it knows is going to send it somewhere that it would be illegal for Int

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-11 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Anthony Towns writes: > Then you're not maintaining your packages properly, and you're making > life more difficult for the rest of the project out of spite. Notice that in disagreeing with your statement, I have also gone out of my way to answer the specific questions you asked. Now, can we ex

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-11 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Anthony Towns writes: > On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 03:51:36PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> Anthony Towns writes: >> > (a) seeing if the FTBFS can be fixed immediately, and finding it can't >> > (b) documenting (this is the transparent bit, so pay attention) that >> > fact by not h

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-11 Thread Benjamin Seidenberg
Daniel Baumann wrote: Lars Wirzenius wrote: I don't like those laws, but publically urging people to violate them isn't going to do anyone any good. Hu? Why should it be illegal to re-sell or outreach a piece of US hardware, which is already imported into a free country, into another

Re: cdbs borked by new version of make

2005-12-11 Thread Eric Dorland
* Ken Bloom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I just noticed bug #342892 (Incompatible with make 3.80+3.81.b3-1) on > cdbs, and thought I should bring it to more people's attention that the > new version of make has broken CDBS, and may potentially break your > package. Everyone who has CDBS packages sh

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-11 Thread Daniel Baumann
Lars Wirzenius wrote: > I don't like those laws, but publically urging people to violate them > isn't going to do anyone any good. Hu? Why should it be illegal to re-sell or outreach a piece of US hardware, which is already imported into a free country, into another free country? However, it's no

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Dec 11, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > True, but that's not what's being asked here. If multiple URLs could > serve requests for a single repository---i.e., if you've got both > deb http://ftp1.CC.debian.org/debian unstable main > and > deb http://ftp2.CC.debian.org/debian unstab

Bug#342951: ITP: qliss3d -- demonstration tool for Lissajous physiques

2005-12-11 Thread Steffen Joeris
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Steffen Joeris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: qliss3d Version : 1.3.2 Upstream Author : Daniel Gruen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : * http://www.schule-bw.de/service/foerderprog/ccteam/projekte/qliss3d_html * License : G

Re: StrongARM tactics

2005-12-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 04:17:28PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > I fail to see how downloading the source, extracting the source, > downloading and installing all Build-Depends, seeing there is nothing > to do and cleaning it all up again is doing anything but waste > valuable time. (Or does

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 02:45:50AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Dec 11, Charles Fry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > But if multiple URLs could satisfactorily serve requests for a single > > repository, only one of them is currently used. > Which is fine, because we do not want people to open m

Re: ldd -u (Re: Solving recursive dependency disease in KDE-based packages)

2005-12-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > * Nathanael Nerode [Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:35:41 -0500]: > > > To work out which libraries you're linked to which you don't actually need, > > ldd -u is invaluable. > > This seems like not the case _at all_ to me (the "invaluable" bit): Yes, it definitely gives lo

Re: question towards "freetype transition; improved library handlingneeded for all C/C++ packages"

2005-12-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I believe my package is affected by the issues stated by Steve, > depending on libraries which I do not directly use. Most of them are > probably pulled in through the QT library I am depending on. My package, > packagesearch, uses qmake as a build tool. The linking comma

Re: ldd -u (Re: Solving recursive dependency disease in KDE-based packages)

2005-12-11 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Adeodato Simó may or may not have written... > * Nathanael Nerode [Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:35:41 -0500]: >> To work out which libraries you're linked to which you don't actually >> need, ldd -u is invaluable. > This seems like not the case _at all_ to me (the "invaluable" bit): >

Re: Sparc build failure analysis (was Re: StrongARM tactics)

2005-12-11 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 05:30:24AM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > has anyone every considered a check in the buildd infrastructure to > alert someone (buildd admin and/or others) if a build is taking too long > (eg openoffice usually takes between 2-3 hours to build and the current > build has been bu

Re: question towards "freetype transition; improved library handling needed for all C/C++ packages"

2005-12-11 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Benjamin Mesing may or may not have written... [snip; extra libraries included as parameters at link time] > I believe my package is affected by the issues stated by Steve, depending > on libraries which I do not directly use. Most of them are probably pulled > in through the QT libr

cdbs borked by new version of make

2005-12-11 Thread Ken Bloom
I just noticed bug #342892 (Incompatible with make 3.80+3.81.b3-1) on cdbs, and thought I should bring it to more people's attention that the new version of make has broken CDBS, and may potentially break your package. Everyone who has CDBS packages should try rebuilding them, and if you can patch

Bug#342907: ITP: libmodule-corelist-perl -- what modules shipped with versions of perl

2005-12-11 Thread Krzysztof Krzyzaniak (eloy)
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Krzysztof Krzyzaniak (eloy)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libmodule-corelist-perl Version : 2.02 Upstream Author : Richard Clamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> perl 5 porters * URL : http://search.cpan.org/~rgarc

Packages-arch-specific (was: Sparc build failure analysis)

2005-12-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 06:53:47AM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote: >> Again: what can I do with such a list? See the list below. > Changes to the P-a-s list should be sent to the contacts listed at the top > of this file (http://buildd.debian.org/quinn-di

question towards "freetype transition; improved library handling needed for all C/C++ packages"

2005-12-11 Thread Benjamin Mesing
Hello, today I've tried to address the issue raised by Steve Langasek regarding "inherited" dependencies [1]. As I am unexperienced with the whole linking and dependency process I was not able to deduce the consequences of this announcement for my packaging. As far as I have understood the email

Re: ldd -u (Re: Solving recursive dependency disease in KDE-based packages)

2005-12-11 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 05:02:15PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 04:56:08PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: > > * Nathanael Nerode [Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:35:41 -0500]: > > > > > To work out which libraries you're linked to which you don't actually > > > need, > > > ldd -u is

Re: ldd -u (Re: Solving recursive dependency disease in KDE-based packages)

2005-12-11 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 04:56:08PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Nathanael Nerode [Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:35:41 -0500]: > > > To work out which libraries you're linked to which you don't actually > > need, > > ldd -u is invaluable. > > This seems like not the case _at all_ to me (the "inva

ldd -u (Re: Solving recursive dependency disease in KDE-based packages)

2005-12-11 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Nathanael Nerode [Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:35:41 -0500]: > To work out which libraries you're linked to which you don't actually need, > ldd -u is invaluable. This seems like not the case _at all_ to me (the "invaluable" bit): % ldd -u /usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp Unused direct dependen

Re: Packages up for adoption: gnokii, coldsync

2005-12-11 Thread George Wright
* on Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 12:21:28PM +1000, Bradley Marshall wrote: > I'm not sure if this is the right process to follow, so please > let me know if there's something else I should be doing. ditto for me - shall I fill in an ITA? I'm not a DD and am unsure as to how to proceed. > There's not

Re: Sparc build failure analysis (was Re: StrongARM tactics)

2005-12-11 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 05:55:23AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Indeed, for practical buildd maintainance purposes, the distinction is > > not that important -- though 'Failed' is known to not benefit of a > > requeue, while 'Building:Maybe-Failed' might or might not, it's unkown, > > most a

Re: Sparc build failure analysis (was Re: StrongARM tactics)

2005-12-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 02:38:35PM +0100, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: > On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 12:35:26AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 06:53:47AM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote: > > > FAILED > > But FAILED is an advisory state anyway; it doesn't directly benefit the > > p

Re: Sparc build failure analysis (was Re: StrongARM tactics)

2005-12-11 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 12:35:26AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 06:53:47AM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote: > > FAILED > > But FAILED is an advisory state anyway; it doesn't directly benefit the > port, at all, to have the package listed as "Failed", this is just a > convenien

Solving recursive dependency disease in KDE-based packages

2005-12-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Most KDE and KDE-dependent packages have an 'admin' directory with various evil and unnecessary files in it. I think I've found a recipe for removing the recursive dependencies from such KDE packages. (1) Relibtoolizing. This is much trickier than normal. First install Debian's libtool and auto

Re: eidviewer menu entry

2005-12-11 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 11:44:50AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Hi, > > Since eidviewer is an interactive application, I want to add it to the > Debian menu, but I'm having problems finding the right place to put it; > none of the categories really fit. The 'Apps/Viewers' category is listed > i

Re: Sparc build failure analysis (was Re: StrongARM tactics)

2005-12-11 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 06:53:47AM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 05:21:46PM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote: > >> I can do the analyzing, but what should I do with the results? > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] seems to be a black

Re: Co-maintainers sought

2005-12-11 Thread Peter 'p2' De Schrijver
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 04:00:14PM +0100, Daniel Baumann wrote: > Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: > > X31 and T43p, and some friends with X40 and A series :-P > > I can even top that one: r40, r50, x31, x40, x41, t42p, t43p and a30 :PP > You want a beowulf of thinkpads ? :) > (and, just for th

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-11 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 06:50:26PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > And when you try you get screamed at and flamed as witnessed in the > huge buildd flame fest the last time. Iirc some 3000 packages were > build outside the official buildd network across the involved archs at > that time. And

Bug#342859: ITP: fluxus -- Scheme script interpreter that creates graphics live with audio and OSC input data

2005-12-11 Thread Guillaume Pellerin
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Guillaume Pellerin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: fluxus Version : 0.8.0 Upstream Author : Dave Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.pawfal.org/Software/fluxus/ * License : GPL Description : Scheme

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-11 Thread Frank Küster
Blars Blarson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >>- How can I get information from "inside" a buildd, e.g. temporary files >> created during a failed build. > > First pass answer: you can't. sbuild (tries to) clean up after builds. > > Altern

ITP: dict-xdict -- An English to Chinese Dictionary

2005-12-11 Thread Emfox Zhou
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: dict-xdict Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Fu Jianjun * URL or Web page : (none) * License : GNU GPL Description : An English to Chinese Dictionary This package contains the XDict, the Free English to Chinese Dictionary

Re: Sparc build failure analysis (was Re: StrongARM tactics)

2005-12-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 06:53:47AM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote: > >I said that deciding which packages should belong in P-a-s is porter work; > >as is filing bugs on failed packages that shouldn't, providing patches, and > >doing porter NMUs if necessary. > Again: what can I do with such a list? S