Re: Package distribution, a concept for a modern package distribution

2005-07-06 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > For some time now (as in around a year) you can update your Packages > files by downloading only the differences (ed script format diff) to > your local file. Using that daily updates go down from the full 3+MB > (2+Mb with bz2 now) to ~10K per day. Really? I don't s

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-06 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Wouter Verhelst wrote: > and > relying on other people's security to increase your own isn't pretty > clever, actually. Well, it increases your own security to: It makes it harder to use your machine, were it to be compromised, as an attacker. This increases your security in two ways: 1. General

Re: [Debian-uk] Sun have (probably) patented apt-get

2005-07-06 Thread Brian May
> "Turbo" == Turbo Fredriksson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Turbo> YEARS (!) ago I wrote the script that did the pre-upgrades Turbo> to 'bo' (I _think_ it was to 'bo' any way :). It basically Turbo> only ftp'd (or was it wget?) required packages from the Turbo> Debian GNU/Linux

Re: [Debian-uk] Sun have (probably) patented apt-get

2005-07-06 Thread Brian May
> "Stephen" == Stephen Birch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Stephen> It seems that when RMS cried "the sky is falling" [this Stephen> time regarding patents] he was, once again, absolutely Stephen> correct. Software patents are the single biggest threat Stephen> not only to the o

Bug#317247: ITP: trac-ja-resource -- Japanese resource files for trac

2005-07-06 Thread Taku YASUI
Package: wnpp Owner: Taku YASUI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Severity: wishlist * Package name: trac-ja-resource Version : 0.8.4-1 Upstream Author : InterAct Corp. * URL : http://www.i-act.co.jp/project/products/products.html * License : GPL Description : Japanese

Re: [Debian Printing] Formation of a Printing Group

2005-07-06 Thread Drew Parsons
> At Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:11:22 +0100, > Roger Leigh wrote: > > This mail is just to test the water to see if there is any interest in > > forming a printing group for coordination between all of the various > > printing packages. Due to the numerous ways of setting up a working > > printing system

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Re: configure a program -- debconf abuse?

2005-07-06 Thread sean finney
On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 07:22:45PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > I beg to disagree here. As long as an appropriate priority is used > > (here, probably low) and the requirements mentioned by Petter are met > > too, I don't see why using debconf for its purpose would harm, > > actually. > > If

Re: configure a program -- debconf abuse?

2005-07-06 Thread Steve Greenland
On 05-Jul-05, 00:26 (CDT), Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I beg to disagree here. As long as an appropriate priority is used > (here, probably low) and the requirements mentioned by Petter are met > too, I don't see why using debconf for its purpose would harm, > actually. If y

Re: RFS: libssh - SSH and SCP library

2005-07-06 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > > > Should the package name contain the version number? (like the libssl > > > packages) > > > > Yes, it should be called libssh-0.11-0. > > I'd rather call it libssh0.11 or libssh-0.11, since the -0 is the > package version number (I took the libssl0.9.7 package as example : > package na

Re: How to tell user default random pass for daemon?

2005-07-06 Thread sean finney
On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 07:07:06PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > Suppose you'd like to generate a random pass by default after your > daemon is installed. How should you get that pass to the user? > Is it allowed to write it to a file in root's home dir? would be very wrong to write a file int

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-07-06 Thread Thomas Hood
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > More usefull is probably a new type 'needs to run but can be > configured without'. The effect would be just like Depends except > that cycles can be safely broken at that point. For symmetry you might want to call the dependency you describe 'Post-Depends'. X P

Free Beer: Need packaging assistance...

2005-07-06 Thread Mikael Olenfalk
Hi! I would like to package anjuta2 and its dependencies (gdl, glade3, gnome-build) however I need pretty heavy assistance. So if there is a DD living in Stockholm, Sweden; I'm would be pleased to pay for dinner+beer (or equivalent) for a laptop-packaging-session :) somewhere in Stockholm. If yo

Bug#317173: ITP: libkarma -- library to access rio karma using pearl protocol

2005-07-06 Thread Joseph Nahmias
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Joseph Nahmias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libkarma Version : 0.0.2 Upstream Author : Frank Zschockelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.freakysoft.de/html/libkarma/ * License : GPL2 Description : networ

Re: How to tell user default random pass for daemon?

2005-07-06 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Suppose you'd like to generate a random pass by default after your daemon >> is installed. How should you get that pass to the user? Is it allowed to >> write it to a file in root's home dir? > > Chrony puts it in a file in /etc/chrony. And protects it

Re: [Debian-uk] Sun have (probably) patented apt-get

2005-07-06 Thread Fabricio \"segfault\" Cannini
Hi guys!! IANAL && IANADD, but, AFAICU, this relates much more to Linda/Lintian && devscripts then to apt. (See points #12 and #13) In this case, i think that yes, debian and other distros can prove this patent invalid. But again i repeat, IANAL. > > Would that mean Debian gets ownership of th

Re: How to tell user default random pass for daemon?

2005-07-06 Thread John Hasler
> Suppose you'd like to generate a random pass by default after your daemon > is installed. How should you get that pass to the user? Is it allowed to > write it to a file in root's home dir? Chrony puts it in a file in /etc/chrony. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

How to tell user default random pass for daemon?

2005-07-06 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Hi, Suppose you'd like to generate a random pass by default after your daemon is installed. How should you get that pass to the user? Is it allowed to write it to a file in root's home dir?

Re: [Debian-uk] Sun have (probably) patented apt-get

2005-07-06 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 7/6/05, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would that mean Debian gets ownership of the patent then and Sun would > have to pay us? No, as far as I understand it means the patent isn't valid.

Re: [Debian-uk] Sun have (probably) patented apt-get

2005-07-06 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Rich Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Stephen Birch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> On 4 Jul 2005, at 11:44 am, Wookey wrote: >>> Take a look at this patent (granted this week in europe) >>> >>> http://gauss.ffii.org/PatentView/EP1170667 >>> >>> I'm fairly sure that apt-get and associated pa

Re: GCC version change / C++ ABI change

2005-07-06 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [Goswin von Brederlow] >> Isn't that a policy violation in itself already? > > He said the same *source*, not the same binary package. Sorry, my bad. Must learn to read more carefully. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [Debian-uk] Sun have (probably) patented apt-get

2005-07-06 Thread Stephen Birch
Moritz Muehlenhoff([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-07-06 12:45: > > Europe, its time to choose. > > It has chosen a few minutes ago; the commision's directive has been rejected > by the European parliament. This is not as good as the solution proposed > in the first reading or the amendments made by Mr. R

Re: [Debian-uk] Sun have (probably) patented apt-get

2005-07-06 Thread Florian Weimer
* Turbo Fredriksson: > YEARS (!) ago I wrote the script that did the pre-upgrades to 'bo' (I _think_ > it was to 'bo' any way :). It basically only ftp'd (or was it wget?) > required packages from the Debian GNU/Linux FTP site(s), installed them > and then allowed the user/admin to continue with t

Re: Bug#317120: ITP: libkwiki-perl -- The Kwiki Wiki Building Framework

2005-07-06 Thread Florian Ragwitz
On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 03:38:01PM +0200, Mohammed Adnène Trojette wrote: > Please don't Cc: me, I read the list. > > On Wed, Jul 06, 2005, Florian Ragwitz wrote: > > Package: wnpp > > Severity: wishlist > > Owner: Florian Ragwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > * Package name: libkwiki-perl > >

Re: [Debian-uk] Sun have (probably) patented apt-get

2005-07-06 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
Quoting Rich Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Stephen Birch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> On 4 Jul 2005, at 11:44 am, Wookey wrote: >>> Take a look at this patent (granted this week in europe) >>> >>> http://gauss.ffii.org/PatentView/EP1170667 >>> >>> I'm fairly sure that apt-get and associated p

Re: Bug#317120: ITP: libkwiki-perl -- The Kwiki Wiki Building Framework

2005-07-06 Thread Mohammed Adnène Trojette
Please don't Cc: me, I read the list. On Wed, Jul 06, 2005, Florian Ragwitz wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Florian Ragwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * Package name: libkwiki-perl > Version : 0.38 > Upstream Author : Brian Ingerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL

Bug#317120: ITP: libkwiki-perl -- The Kwiki Wiki Building Framework

2005-07-06 Thread Florian Ragwitz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Florian Ragwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libkwiki-perl Version : 0.38 Upstream Author : Brian Ingerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://search.cpan.org/~ingy/Kwiki/ * License : Perl (GPL or Artistic) Descrip

Re: [Debian-uk] Sun have (probably) patented apt-get

2005-07-06 Thread Rich Walker
Stephen Birch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On 4 Jul 2005, at 11:44 am, Wookey wrote: >> Take a look at this patent (granted this week in europe) >> >> http://gauss.ffii.org/PatentView/EP1170667 >> >> I'm fairly sure that apt-get and associated package-integratity >> checking tools could be con

Re: GCC 4.0 as the default GCC / C++ ABI change

2005-07-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 08:56:46AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > On 2005-07-05 Matthias Klose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] > > Besides the C++ ABI change, all m68k and hppa packages depending on > > libgcc1 have to be rebuilt to use libgcc2. > [...] > > Hej, > Who is responsible for this?

Re: [Debian-uk] Sun have (probably) patented apt-get

2005-07-06 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 01:17:19AM -0700, Stephen Birch wrote: > Today the EU gets to vote on the same issue. They can elect to have a > thriving software industry well placed to replace the now crippled USA > as the dominant force in the software industry. They went for the former :) http://www.

Bug#317110: ITP: libio-all-perl -- Perl module for unified IO

2005-07-06 Thread Florian Ragwitz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Florian Ragwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libio-all-perl Version : 0.33 Upstream Author : Brian Ingerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://search.cpan.org/~ingy/IO-All/ * License : Perl (GPL or Artistic) Descr

Re: [Debian-uk] Sun have (probably) patented apt-get

2005-07-06 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > In linux.debian.devel, you wrote: > > Today the EU gets to vote on the same issue. They can elect to have a > > thriving software industry well placed to replace the now crippled USA > > as the dominant force in the software industry. > > > > Europe, its time to choose.

Re: GCC version change / C++ ABI change

2005-07-06 Thread Horms
On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 06:52:07AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:39:59AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: > > > It is my believe that the 2.4 kernel is still in wide spread use > > > both indide and outside Debian, thats a cause for being concerned > > > about it in my books. >

Re: [Debian-uk] Sun have (probably) patented apt-get

2005-07-06 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
In linux.debian.devel, you wrote: > Today the EU gets to vote on the same issue. They can elect to have a > thriving software industry well placed to replace the now crippled USA > as the dominant force in the software industry. > > Europe, its time to choose. It has chosen a few minutes ago; the

Re: GCC version change / C++ ABI change

2005-07-06 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:39:59AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: > > It is my believe that the 2.4 kernel is still in wide spread use > > both indide and outside Debian, thats a cause for being concerned > > about it in my books. > > Indeed, its the kernel shipped with RHEL 3.x . Sort of. 2.4 kernel

Re: RFS: libssh - SSH and SCP library

2005-07-06 Thread Jean-Philippe Garcia Ballester
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 10:24:29PM +0200, Jean-Philippe Garcia Ballester wrote : > On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 07:34:37PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote : > > Le mardi 05 juillet 2005 ? 18:27 +0200, Jean-Philippe Garcia Ballester a > > ?crit : > > > I see your point. I tried to fix that. Hope I didn't d

Re: Package priorities: optional vs extra

2005-07-06 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 04:06:22PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: > > [Lionel Elie Mamane] > > I recently found some packages in at an IMHO totally wrong priority > > in Debian. > > Yeah. I've been grumbling about optional vs. extra for years. Nobody > wants to consider his own packages 'extra'

Re: [Debian-uk] Sun have (probably) patented apt-get

2005-07-06 Thread Stephen Birch
> On 4 Jul 2005, at 11:44 am, Wookey wrote: > Take a look at this patent (granted this week in europe) > > http://gauss.ffii.org/PatentView/EP1170667 > > I'm fairly sure that apt-get and associated package-integratity > checking tools could be considered infringing. (Does dpkg/apt have > a modul