Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-28 Thread Eric Dorland
* Martin Waitz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > hoi :) > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 12:18:19AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > The whole question is whether Debian can accept a Debian-specific > > agreement to call Firefox "Firefox". > > sure, and the consensus seems to be that there is no problem in >

Re: Bug#315903: ITP: evilfinder -- proves that any given subject is evil

2005-06-28 Thread Miles Bader
Marc Singer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Whew. That was close. I thought we were gonna lose evilfinder. ... if we did, that would show that Debian really _is_ evil -- and if that's true, evilfinder must be capable of true prophecy! It would seem almost criminal to reject a program capable of t

Re: mail all bug reporters

2005-06-28 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Nico Golde [Tue, Jun 28 2005, 11:46:31PM]: > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ch-resources.en.html#s-pkg-tracking-system > > I think you misunderstood me. Example: > An adopted package xxx has a lot of old bugs which are > related to very old versions. Now the

OOo & OOo2 (was Re: Bug#315808: ITP: cedar-backup2 -- ...)

2005-06-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 20:33 +0200, Rene Engelhard wrote: > Hi, > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > Don't forget to tell Rene Engelhard to rename OpenOffice.org2. > > > > Uh, you know that openoffice.org already is in the archive and > openoffice.org 2.x is supposed to be parallel installable until i

Re: mail all bug reporters

2005-06-28 Thread sean finney
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:46:31PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > An adopted package xxx has a lot of old bugs which are > related to very old versions. Now the maintainer changes. > Now he wants to send mails to all bug openors if the bug is > still actual and can be reproduced. while i think you sho

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-06-28 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 02:56:54PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 06:30:32PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 04:05:55PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > Le mardi 28 juin 2005 à 14:51 +0200, Bill Allombert a écrit : > > > > 1) include the offendin

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-06-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 06:30:32PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 04:05:55PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le mardi 28 juin 2005 à 14:51 +0200, Bill Allombert a écrit : > > > 1) include the offending binary (e.g. fc-cache) in the library package. > > > > No. See policy

Re: mail all bug reporters

2005-06-28 Thread Nico Golde
Hello Christoph, * Christoph Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-06-28 16:56]: > Re: Nico Golde in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > is there an easy way to mail all people who reported a bug > > to a specific package? > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ch-resources.en.html#s-pkg-trackin

Re: webcam on MSN, webcam on other IM systems

2005-06-28 Thread David Moreno Garza
On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 09:19 -0300, Frederico Rodrigues Abraham wrote: > Hi. Is there any existing initiative to support webcam and audio on > MSN conversations? Is there any of this support in any other IM systems > running on Linux? > I would like to volunteer to help developing it. http:

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-28 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 09:39:05AM +0100, Gervase Markham wrote: > Cameron Patrick wrote: > >I'm curious as to how this would apply to Debian-derived distributions > >which either (a) don't change the Firefox/Thunderbird packages, or (b) > >change them in some trivial way. Would someone taking the

Achieve stronger and harder erections

2005-06-28 Thread Matthew
Penis Enlargement announcement http://www.asdokm.com/ss/ Where do I find the time for not reading so many books? Men will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon. He of whom many are afraid ought to fear many. I am responsible only to God and history. You have to know how to

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-28 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 09:39:05AM +0100, Gervase Markham wrote: > Cameron Patrick wrote: > >I'm curious as to how this would apply to Debian-derived distributions > >which either (a) don't change the Firefox/Thunderbird packages, or (b) > >change them in some trivial way. Would someone taking the

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-06-28 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 28 juin 2005 à 16:05 +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit : 2) document that packages using some extra feature (e.g. SVG loader) needs to depend on an extra package (librsvg2-common) Guess why we moved from doing things this way to make librsvg2-2 depend on librsvg

Bug#316128: ITP: enc -- tools for managing encrypted mailinglists

2005-06-28 Thread Riccardo Setti
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Riccardo Setti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: enc Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : lesion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.neuroni.org/ * License : GPL Description : tools for managing encrypted mailinglis

Re: Bug#315808: ITP: cedar-backup2 -- Secure backup to CD-R and CD-RW media

2005-06-28 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Don't forget to tell Rene Engelhard to rename OpenOffice.org2. > Uh, you know that openoffice.org already is in the archive and openoffice.org 2.x is supposed to be parallel installable until it is uploaded to unstable (and it's only in experimental after all) and is

Re: Bug#315903: ITP: evilfinder -- proves that any given subject is evil

2005-06-28 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 06:31:25PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> It's a novelty joke program. If that's a "great utility" in your view, > >> then I find

Re: Bug#315903: ITP: evilfinder -- proves that any given subject is evil

2005-06-28 Thread Roger Leigh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> It's a novelty joke program. If that's a "great utility" in your view, >> then I find your opinion hard to take seriously ... > > So is debian "business apps only"

Re: OT: No unsubscribe signature?

2005-06-28 Thread Bob Proulx
Pascal Hakim wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > I guess if you don't want a footer on your messages you can always > > send them out with a quoted-printable encoding. :-) > > In my experience as a listmaster, the people who like to complain about > the fact that we add a signature on the bottom of ev

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-06-28 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 04:05:55PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mardi 28 juin 2005 à 14:51 +0200, Bill Allombert a écrit : > > 1) include the offending binary (e.g. fc-cache) in the library package. > > No. See policy, §8.2. You could ship fc-cache as /usr/lib/libfontconfig1/fc-cache so it

Re: Announcing a new book: The Debian System -- Concepts and Techniques

2005-06-28 Thread Raphaël Hertzog
Le lundi 27 juin 2005 à 14:52 +0200, martin f krafft a écrit : > Fair enough. Well, debiansystem.info is the main book's website, > which I guess is more appropriate. Would it be better if I replaced > debianbook.info with a website which prominently links to the other > books as well? Sure. > Wh

Re: Alioth Project Approved - and now?

2005-06-28 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 09:52:36PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 05:43:24PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > > > Does anyone still use ssh1? It seems quite common for it not to be > > > supported these days... > > > > One machine I us

Re: OT: No unsubscribe signature?

2005-06-28 Thread Pascal Hakim
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:09:17AM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Pascal Hakim wrote: > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > I wonder what it's rule set is. > > > > :0 fbw > > * ! ^Content-Transfer-Encoding:.*base64 > > * ! ^Content-Transfer-Encoding:.*quoted-printable > > | cat - footer.txt > > The "Message-I

Re: OT: No unsubscribe signature?

2005-06-28 Thread Bob Proulx
Pascal Hakim wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > I wonder what it's rule set is. > > :0 fbw > * ! ^Content-Transfer-Encoding:.*base64 > * ! ^Content-Transfer-Encoding:.*quoted-printable > | cat - footer.txt The "Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" message asked about was encoded with a content transfer

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-06-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 28 juin 2005 à 16:05 +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit : > > 2) document that packages using some extra feature (e.g. SVG loader) > > needs to depend on an extra package (librsvg2-common) > > Guess why we moved from doing things this way to make librsvg2-2 depend > on librsvg2-common... To

Re: OT: No unsubscribe signature?

2005-06-28 Thread Pascal Hakim
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:33:27AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 01:25 +1000, Pascal Hakim wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 05:23:58PM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:18:16AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:14:33A

Let your computer be the PRO!

2005-06-28 Thread Alfred
Super software, swell prices, splendid service. http://esx.peb4s670mh7e48p.hoggishlymi.com Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead. Let bravery be thy choice, but not bravado. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [E

linux-wlan-ng adopt process

2005-06-28 Thread Victor Seva
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bradley, I am trying to contact with you, again, in order to take over the linux-wlan-ng package. Enrico Tassi and I have no answer from you. We are interested in maintain this package. I have mailed to your bug report [0] but no news from you.

Re: OT: No unsubscribe signature?

2005-06-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 01:25 +1000, Pascal Hakim wrote: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 05:23:58PM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:18:16AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > >> On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:14:33AM -0400, Josh Metzler wrote: > > > > > > >>> without the usual sign

Re: OT: No unsubscribe signature?

2005-06-28 Thread Pascal Hakim
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 05:23:58PM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:18:16AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:14:33AM -0400, Josh Metzler wrote: > > > >>> without the usual signature describing how > >>> to unsubscribe from debian-devel. Was

Re: OT: No unsubscribe signature?

2005-06-28 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:18:16AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:14:33AM -0400, Josh Metzler wrote: >>> without the usual signature describing how >>> to unsubscribe from debian-devel. Was this the case for everyone, or is >>> there something between the debian server

Re: OT: No unsubscribe signature?

2005-06-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 10:59 -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:14:33AM -0400, Josh Metzler wrote: > > On Tuesday 28 June 2005 08:25 am, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > > ... > > > So they expect something to be available without depending on a > > > package that provides it? So

Re: OT: No unsubscribe signature?

2005-06-28 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:14:33AM -0400, Josh Metzler wrote: > On Tuesday 28 June 2005 08:25 am, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > ... > > So they expect something to be available without depending on a > > package that provides it? Sounds like a bug. > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ended after th

Re: Libtool and packaging

2005-06-28 Thread Alexis . Papadopoulos
> this should all "just work". Well it almost does. The problem is that in tmp/installation/dir/usr/bin (actually it's top_builddir/debian/rheolef/usr/bin) I only get the wrapper scripts created by libtool, and not the executables linked to the library. I don't have now access to the computer on

Re: mail all bug reporters

2005-06-28 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Nico Golde in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > is there an easy way to mail all people who reported a bug > to a specific package? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ch-resources.en.html#s-pkg-tracking-system Christoph -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.df7cb.de/ signature.asc Desc

mail all bug reporters

2005-06-28 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, is there an easy way to mail all people who reported a bug to a specific package? regards nico -- Nico Golde - JAB: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: 0x73647CFF http://www.ngolde.de | http://www.muttng.org | http://grml.org VIM has two modes - the one in which it beeps and the one in which it doesn'

Re: debian security archive/updates b0rken???

2005-06-28 Thread Nico Golde
Hello Jochen, * Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-06-28 13:05]: > Nico Golde: > > http://www.heute.de/ZDFheute/inhalt/26/0,3672,2326362,00.html > > The article on heute.de says that ca. 100 million user in > > Germany changed to Ubuntu because of problems with Debian. > > This is not tr

OT: No unsubscribe signature?

2005-06-28 Thread Josh Metzler
On Tuesday 28 June 2005 08:25 am, Olaf van der Spek wrote: ... > So they expect something to be available without depending on a > package that provides it? Sounds like a bug. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ended after the text quoted above, without the usual signature describing how to unsubscr

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-06-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 28 juin 2005 à 14:51 +0200, Bill Allombert a écrit : > 1) include the offending binary (e.g. fc-cache) in the library package. No. See policy, §8.2. > 2) document that packages using some extra feature (e.g. SVG loader) > needs to depend on an extra package (librsvg2-common) Guess why w

Re: Accepted jack-audio-connection-kit 0.100.0-2 (powerpc source)

2005-06-28 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2005-06-28 kello 15:49 +0200, Robert Jordens kirjoitti: > > [1] http://liw.iki.fi/liw/download/dd-list > > [2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2005/06/msg00297.html > > Nice script. It should be pushed into devscripts. Sorry I didn't know > about it before. I've now filed a wish

Re: debian security archive/updates b0rken???

2005-06-28 Thread John Smith
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:38:04 +0200 (CEST) Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > very positive responses from people who pointed me to this site. > The good thing is that readers of this site are not able to > differentiate between Linux, Free Software, Debian, a penguin, > Ubuntu, another pen

Re: Accepted jack-audio-connection-kit 0.100.0-2 (powerpc source)

2005-06-28 Thread Robert Jordens
Hello! [Mon, 27 Jun 2005] Adeodato Simó wrote: > When uploading a version coming from experimental, it is normally > preferred to include in the .changes file all the changelog entries > since the last upload to unstable. This way people can easily read all > the changes, and bugs get prop

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-06-28 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 01:46:06PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le vendredi 24 juin 2005 à 17:21 +0200, Bill Allombert a écrit : > > 2) libfoo and foo-bin, where foo-bin include binaries linked with > > libfoo. Usually libfoo only need to Depends on configuration data > > in foo-bin and not on

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-06-28 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 6/28/05, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How would you treat the librsvg case? Currently, librsvg2-2 and > librsvg2-common both depend on each other. The librsvg2-2 package > contains the library, and librsvg2-common contains a loader that allows > gdk_pixbuf to load SVG files. > *

Bug#316091: ITP: libnet-openid-server-perl -- Library providing server-side functionality for OpenID

2005-06-28 Thread Dominic Hargreaves
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Dominic Hargreaves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libnet-openid-server-perl Version : 0.07 Upstream Author : Brad Fitzpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Net-OpenID-Server/ * License : Dual

Bug#316092: ITP: libnet-openid-consumer-perl -- Library for consumers of OpenID identities

2005-06-28 Thread Dominic Hargreaves
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Dominic Hargreaves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libnet-openid-consumer-perl Version : 0.11 Upstream Author : Brad Fitzpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Net-OpenID-Consumer/ * License :

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-06-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 24 juin 2005 à 17:21 +0200, Bill Allombert a écrit : > I see two easy case: > > 1) foo and foo-data. There is usualy no reason for foo-data to depend on > foo. foo-data does not provide user-visible interface, only data, so it > does not need to depend on foo. > > 2) libfoo and foo-bi

Re: Greylisting for @debian.org email, please

2005-06-28 Thread paddy
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 08:58:40AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Le Mar 28 Juin 2005 08:36, Bob Proulx a écrit : > > I think you misunderstand. Remember that only the first exchange > > with a new address is delayed. After the initial exchange there is > > no more delay. Your continuing conver

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-28 Thread Simon Huggins
Salut Gervase! On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 11:46:55PM +0100, Gervase Markham wrote: > Simon Huggins wrote: > >That's unfair. I would have summarised more as "there's no problem > >doing so as long as Mozilla are reasonable in Debian's eyes". I don't > >want Eric to accept the agreement if for every

Re: problems with public keys

2005-06-28 Thread Nico Golde
Hello Igor, * Igor Genibel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-06-09 15:48]: > * Adam D. Barratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-06-08 10:25:44 +0100]: > > > developer.php is currently configured not to check against any external > > keyservers. > > > > See #307461 and http://lists.debian.org/debian-qa/2005/05/

Re: debian security archive/updates b0rken???

2005-06-28 Thread Nico Golde
Hello Alexander, * Alexander Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-06-28 13:06]: > * Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050628 11:18]: > > > http://www.heute.de/ZDFheute/inhalt/26/0,3672,2326362,00.html > > The article on heute.de says that ca. 100 million user in > > Germany changed to Ubuntu becau

Re: debian security archive/updates b0rken???

2005-06-28 Thread Alexander Schmehl
* Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050628 11:18]: > http://www.heute.de/ZDFheute/inhalt/26/0,3672,2326362,00.html > The article on heute.de says that ca. 100 million user in > Germany changed to Ubuntu because of problems with Debian. Wow, till know I thought we had only 82 Million germans...

Re: Upload new version of gaim-extendedprefs

2005-06-28 Thread Arjan Oosting
> 4.2. Package relationships > [...] > > When specifying the set of build-time dependencies, one should list > only those packages explicitly required by the build. It is not > necessary to list packages which are required merely because some > other package in the list of bu

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-06-28 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:57:25AM +0200, Adeodato Sim? wrote: > I'd like to hear from ftpmaster (CC'ed) if, provided this solution > gains some acceptance, they'd be willing to help with a mass-change in > the override files (see numbers below), and/or with the creation of > such new secti

Re: debian security archive/updates b0rken???

2005-06-28 Thread Jochen Schulz
Nico Golde: > > http://www.heute.de/ZDFheute/inhalt/26/0,3672,2326362,00.html > The article on heute.de says that ca. 100 million user in > Germany changed to Ubuntu because of problems with Debian. This is not true. The article states that there are probably one million machines running linu

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-06-28 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Bill Allombert [Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:36:39 -0500]: > On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 07:39:16PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > > Perhaps we should just move to section libs any package which is > > useless by itself, and it's only useful in combination with others, > > much like libraries, but without re

Re: debian security archive/updates b0rken???

2005-06-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Nico Golde wrote: http://www.heute.de/ZDFheute/inhalt/26/0,3672,2326362,00.html The article on heute.de says that ca. 100 million user in Germany changed to Ubuntu because of problems with Debian. BTW, this news seems not to have a negative effect. I've got very positi

Re: Planning a libglade to libglade2 transition

2005-06-28 Thread Matthew Garrett
Andrea Mennucc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the same for me: I develop and mantain some gtk packages > > there is no such thing as an "easy transition from gtk1 to gtk2" Nonsense. For many (most?) programs, it's mostly a matter of passing -DENABLE_BROKEN and fixing up the build system. Doing s/gt

Re: debian security archive/updates b0rken???

2005-06-28 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Sebastian Ley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-06-28 10:16]: > Am Sonntag, 19. Juni 2005 08:45 schrieb Steve Langasek: > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 12:31:23AM -0400, sean finney wrote: > > > please excuse this blatant cross-posting, i wouldn't do it if i didn't > > > think it were critical that i do

Re: Libtool and packaging

2005-06-28 Thread Martin Waitz
hoi :) On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 01:26:47PM +0200, Alexis Papadopoulos wrote: > I'm actually trying to create a .deb package from sources using > automake, autoconf and libtool. The resulting files consist of some > shell scripts, a shared library and some binaries that must be linked to it. this s

Re: Call for a debian maintainer to package Barcode Writer in Pure PostScript

2005-06-28 Thread Nico Golde
Hello Terry, * Terry Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-06-28 10:16]: > Are there any Debian developers that would like to work with me to > package Barcode Writer in Pure PostScript > (http://www.terryburton.co.uk/barcodewriter) with the aim of getting > it into the stable distribution? > > If you

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-28 Thread Gervase Markham
Cameron Patrick wrote: I'm curious as to how this would apply to Debian-derived distributions which either (a) don't change the Firefox/Thunderbird packages, or (b) change them in some trivial way. Would someone taking the packages unchanged from Debian be required to either ask MoFo for a trade