Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Matt Zimmerman wrote: This would be very convenient, but it isn't quite as simple as this. If the maintainer is inactive, how does the Uploaders field get changed? Ubuntu developers will not hijack packages in Debian. Well, this problem is not unique for Ubuntu developers

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Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think we should devote some thought to declaring a permanent > bug-squashing party and relaxing the rules for NMUs (for instance, let > them happen for any documented bug of any severity so long as they are > uploaded to the 5-day delayed queue and patc

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

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Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 12:27:38AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Oh, I forgot to mention that if Ubuntu continues to ignore Ian Murdock's > warnings about breaking compatability with debs, it will end up a fork > in my book even if most of the underlying code is substantially the > same, and this will

binary uploads sometimes are required Was: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

Hello, While this is getting a little off topic, I just wanted to correct a common misconception. Wouter Verhelst wrote: >>I'm not sure what you mean by this; do you mean packages with circular >>dependencies which must be bootstrapped manually? If so, this is generally >>handled by our buildd a

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

George Danchev wrote: > Out of curiousity, is there real examples of DD's and UD's sharing common > revison control repo for their packaging, e.g. on alioth or at the relevant > ubuntu service if there is any like alioth ? Certian Ubuntu developers have commit access to the entire d-i repo, as w

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

Oh, I forgot to mention that if Ubuntu continues to ignore Ian Murdock's warnings about breaking compatability with debs, it will end up a fork in my book even if most of the underlying code is substantially the same, and this will be a very painful and damaging kind of fork too, as we will get deb

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

Matt Zimmerman wrote: > I see no need to argue about whether Ubuntu should push; the patches > are all there in an easily accessible tree, and it would be trivial to > pull the patches and push them someplace else if that's desirable. Please take a look at the current Ubuntu 1.6 MB diff for base-c

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 06:16:41PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 11:23:23PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=298064 > > > > I don't think the second one is a very good example either as it seems to > > assume udeb support a

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 06:14:18PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 03:08:51PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > > I think it is high time we revisit the traditional Debian maintainer > > model. We have been aware of its weaknesses for years, and are most > > Personally, I agr

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 11:28:44PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > On Wednesday 01 June 2005 19:25, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > You mean http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/ which has > > > been there for at least half a year? > > > > Or rather http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/ which eve

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 11:06:18PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 12:18:13PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > I'm not sure what you mean by this; do you mean packages with circular > > dependencies which must be bootstrapped manually? If so, this is generally > > handled

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 03:08:51PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > I think it is high time we revisit the traditional Debian maintainer > model. We have been aware of its weaknesses for years, and are most > biting in the areas of nonresponsive maintainers. I think we should > devote some thought t

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Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 11:23:23PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=298064 > > I don't think the second one is a very good example either as it seems to > assume udeb support and Debian is not there yet. I have no idea what you mean. What does runnin

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Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

* John Goerzen | I think it is high time we revisit the traditional Debian maintainer | model. We have been aware of its weaknesses for years, and are most | biting in the areas of nonresponsive maintainers. I think we should | devote some thought to declaring a permanent bug-squashing party an

Re: Keysigning without physically meeting ... thoughts?

On Tuesday 31 May 2005 23:54, Marc Haber wrote: > The entire procedure is quite US centric. I don't understand why you > US guys are so fond of your notaries. Over here, it's a three digit > bill for the notary to open the office door and to offer you a chair, > so there might be cultures where one

Re: Keysigning without physically meeting ... thoughts?

On Tuesday 31 May 2005 23:54, Marc Haber wrote: > The entire procedure is quite US centric. I don't understand why you > US guys are so fond of your notaries. Over here, it's a three digit > bill for the notary to open the office door and to offer you a chair, > so there might be cultures where one

Re: Keysigning without physically meeting ... thoughts?

On Wednesday 01 June 2005 04:52, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > Right, but they have to get it notarized (or forge a notary's seal, > > which is a criminal offense, at least in the US) which requires > > government ID (again, at least in the US). > > A notary doesn't certify that the document you hand

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 11:47:46AM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: >> Ubuntu developers already participate in team maintenance in Debian, and >> this works well, but in the traditional Debian maintainer model,

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Re: Linux / Debian / Ubuntu

On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:37:28PM -0700, Stephen Birch wrote: > Darren Salt([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-05-31 21:49: > > For those who've missed the first three broadcasts today, there's one more > > at > > 01:05 GMT; also see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/1478157.stm>. > Why on earth does th

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wednesday 01 June 2005 19:25, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > You mean http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/ which has > > been there for at least half a year? > > Or rather http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/ which even provides > separated patches. What seems to be missing is somethin

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wednesday 01 June 2005 07:53, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > I don't have any hard statistics, but here are some random examples of > patches whose development was sponsored by Canonical, were tested and > proven in Ubuntu, were proactively submitted to Debian by an Ubuntu > developer, and remain in de

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 12:18:13PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 07:46:24PM +0200, Daniel Holbach wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, den 01.06.2005, 14:08 +0200 schrieb Peter Van Eynde: > > > A message like this makes you the perfect victim :-) for my question: > > > what should a deb

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 07:46:24PM +0200, Daniel Holbach wrote: > Am Mittwoch, den 01.06.2005, 14:08 +0200 schrieb Peter Van Eynde: > > A message like this makes you the perfect victim :-) for my question: > > what should a debian maintainer do to have his or her packages in > > universe in a good

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 08:20:39AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, John Goerzen wrote: > > >On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 07:47:19PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > >>After Sarge, releases, it should be pretty straightforward for someone > >>to set up a script to mass-mail Debian maint

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 10:52:48AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > And I guess it is not by chance that packages which fit into this > category often accumulate more and more very old, simply to fix > and boring bugs. I hope this can be solved since I heard several > positive voices to make group m

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 11:47:46AM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > Ubuntu developers already participate in team maintenance in Debian, and > this works well, but in the traditional Debian maintainer model, there are > just too many obstacles for this kind of direct participation. I think it is hig

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 08:08:02AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > If there are inactive maintainers in Debian why not starting group > maintainance? The Ubuntu maintainer might be listed in the Uploaders > field and find a sponsor to upload the package (in the best case the other > maintainer). T

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 06:17:48AM -0700, Stephen Birch wrote: > No .. it wasn't intended to be sarcastic. Both the Ubuntu supporters > and the opponents will be watching to see what takes place. Firstly, please don't divide the community by implying that they must choose sides. There are plent

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Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 09:38:40AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Matt Zimmerman] > > I don't have any hard statistics, but here are some random examples of > > patches whose development was sponsored by Canonical, were tested and proven > > in Ubuntu, were proactively submitted to Debian by

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Re: Example where testing-security was used?

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Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

Hello Peter, hi everybody else, Am Mittwoch, den 01.06.2005, 14:08 +0200 schrieb Peter Van Eynde: > A message like this makes you the perfect victim :-) for my question: > what should a debian maintainer do to have his or her packages in > universe in a good shape? I'm even willing to build the pa

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 05:00:31PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > * Stephen Birch > > | John Goerzen([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-06-01 00:06: > | > Out of curiousity, do you have a rough estimate of the percentage that > | > actually make it into Debian? Or the percentage that are held back > | >

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 10:10:09AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > This is a non-courtesy that quite some Debian Developers extend > towards their users, but it is not a practice that is especially > targeted at Ubuntu. There was nothing in my comments which was specific to Ubuntu; this is the way it

Re: Keysigning without physically meeting ... thoughts?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 05:48:46AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:14:43 +0200 > Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 07:54:51AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > > > On Tue, 31 May 2005 14:13:54 -0600, "Wesley J. Landaker" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

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Re: Example where testing-security was used?

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Re: Help: Strange behaviour of ldd

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Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

Steve Langasek: > I challenge anyone to do volunteer release management > for a project with Debian's size and complexity ... No. After seeing what Steve does, I'd sooner volunteer to spar with Darth Maul than to manage a release for a project with Debian's size and complexity. Sarge has as man

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

* Stephen Birch | John Goerzen([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-06-01 00:06: | > Out of curiousity, do you have a rough estimate of the percentage that | > actually make it into Debian? Or the percentage that are held back | > with no good reason? | | I wonder if it would be an idea to write a tool that

Re: Help: Strange behaviour of ldd

[I hope you don't mind quoting you in public because I want people to stop downloading the programs and waste their time if this is solved.] On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Petr Salinger wrote: It is not fault of ldd, but badly designed program. Ahhh, this explains the dependency from the build machine.

Re: Example where testing-security was used?

Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:30:40PM +0100, Rich Walker wrote: >> Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > >> > Moore's law is cpu speed. >> >> *TRANSISTORS* on a single die >> >> > > Bah,

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 05:13:49PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 00:06 -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > > BTW, the baz folks could get some very neat ideas from darcs. The > > "offline mode comes free" way of working is very nice, and the > > branching being easier than Arch

Re: Help: Strange behaviour of ldd

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Uwe Steinmann wrote: At least on my ibook it cannot reproduce it. Thanks for testing. Joke: An ibook is a Laptop and as I said it works on my laptop. ;-) So this just proves that it just depends from the box you are trying to do it. It is also not only me - the maintainer

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 06:24:52AM -0700, Stephen Birch wrote: > Okay ... I missed the development of arch. Boy ... its difficult to > keep up with everything going on. How did the arch project improve on > Subversion? The main cool thing about Arch is that branching can be done cross-repository

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wednesday 01 June 2005 16:24, Stephen Birch wrote: --cut-- > Okay ... I missed the development of arch. Boy ... its difficult to > keep up with everything going on. How did the arch project improve on > Subversion? SVN (like CVS) is a centralized SCM, while the Arch is a distributed one. You

Re: Help: Strange behaviour of ldd

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:26:10PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi, > > I observed a strange problem when trying to sponsor the mummer package > > http://bioinformatics.pzr.uni-rostock.de/~moeller/debian/mummer > > I reduced the problem to a quite basic one. Just go to > > http://pe

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:56:47PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > The release team has said in announcements before the second announced > release date for sarge that the whole release schedule was based on > the installer schedule. > For a casual reader of d-d-a it might not be obvious that this has

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 06:17:48AM -0700, Stephen Birch wrote: > > Some things about the relationship are going to be hard, though. I > > was very distressed to find that a last-minute ABI change in sarge's > > glibc will cause any package built on sarge that gets a versioned > > glibc dependency

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

John Goerzen([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-06-01 00:06: > Out of curiousity, do you have a rough estimate of the percentage that > actually make it into Debian? Or the percentage that are held back > with no good reason? I wonder if it would be an idea to write a tool that compares Debian and Ubuntu pa

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

Michael K. Edwards([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-05-31 23:01: > I think it's been so long since Debian started having pre-sarge > freeze-spasms that we've all forgotten what it's like when the I am a long time Linux user but only saw the debian light just after woody released so I have no experience wit

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Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:27:04PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 01:02:28PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:58:21AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Anyone who can't distinguish between an "officially announced release > > > date" > > > and a pr

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

Hello, Daniel Holbach wrote: > I set up http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseNewPackages some time ... > Ideally, both, the Debian maintainer and the Ubuntu maintainer should > work together and make it an absolutely rocking package with no flaws > and a perfectly crafted packaging system. A

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 01:02:28PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:58:21AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Anyone who can't distinguish between an "officially announced release date" > > and a projected target release date isn't worth wasting my breath on. > > It seems you

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Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:58:21AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 12:27:08AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: >... > > Why are there always extremely aggressive timelines (with at least three > > publically announced release dates for sarge already passed) instead of > > making e

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Re: Keysigning without physically meeting ... thoughts?

On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 02:13:54PM -0600, Wesley J. Landaker wrote: > On Tuesday 31 May 2005 14:11, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:03:12AM -0600, Wesley J. Landaker wrote: > > > I wrote this up to someone. I thought I'd share it, and get your > > > thoughts. (e.g. anybody see

Re: Keysigning without physically meeting ... thoughts?

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:14:43 +0200 Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 07:54:51AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > > On Tue, 31 May 2005 14:13:54 -0600, "Wesley J. Landaker" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Right, but they have to get it notarized (or forge a notary's

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

Hi, On Wed, Jun 01, 2005, George Danchev wrote: > Out of curiousity, is there real examples of DD's and UD's sharing common > revison control repo for their packaging, e.g. on alioth or at the relevant > ubuntu service if there is any like alioth ? This way both kind of > maintainers ca

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

> I remember times when there where two weeks test cycles where the whole > thing was frozen with zero changes for at about a week, and if any > serious problems were found they were fixed and then there was the next > test cycle. > > Why is there now always such a hurry to get everything out w

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Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

Hello everybody, Am Mittwoch, den 01.06.2005, 10:52 +0200 schrieb Andreas Tille: > Having the Ubuntu maintainer as co-maintainer would be a drastical > advance for both Debian and Ubuntu. Thanks Andreas for pointing this out. I am really happy to hear interest in this. Since we're all working on

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 12:27:08AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 04:29:31AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On the contrary, I found your answer reasonably satisfactory, and as a > > result had postponed replying to you in favor of dealing with more directly > > pressing rele

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wednesday 01 June 2005 11:52, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Marc Haber wrote: > > A lot of Debian maintainers hang on to their packages like a hen over > > her eggs and do not want to give away any authority over their > > packages which they would to by accepting co-maintainers. >

Re: Example where testing-security was used?

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Re: Example where testing-security was used?

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Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Marc Haber wrote: A lot of Debian maintainers hang on to their packages like a hen over her eggs and do not want to give away any authority over their packages which they would to by accepting co-maintainers. And I guess it is not by chance that packages which fit into this

Re: Keysigning without physically meeting ... thoughts?

On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:54:51 +0200 Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 31 May 2005 14:13:54 -0600, "Wesley J. Landaker" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Right, but they have to get it notarized (or forge a notary's seal, which is > >a criminal offense, at least in the US) which require

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:08:02 +0200 (CEST), Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >If there are inactive maintainers in Debian why not starting group >maintainance? The Ubuntu maintainer might be listed in the Uploaders >field and find a sponsor to upload the package (in the best case the >other

Re: Keysigning without physically meeting ... thoughts?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 07:54:51AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Tue, 31 May 2005 14:13:54 -0600, "Wesley J. Landaker" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Right, but they have to get it notarized (or forge a notary's seal, which is > >a criminal offense, at least in the US) which requires government I

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Tue, 31 May 2005 22:53:01 -0700, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I don't have any hard statistics, but here are some random examples of >patches whose development was sponsored by Canonical, were tested and proven >in Ubuntu, were proactively submitted to Debian by an Ubuntu developer

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

> I don't have any hard statistics, but here are some random examples of > patches whose development was sponsored by Canonical, were tested and proven > in Ubuntu, were proactively submitted to Debian by an Ubuntu developer, and > remain in debbugs months later without comment from the maintainer

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

[Matt Zimmerman] > I don't have any hard statistics, but here are some random examples of > patches whose development was sponsored by Canonical, were tested and proven > in Ubuntu, were proactively submitted to Debian by an Ubuntu developer, and > remain in debbugs months later without comment fro

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 00:06 -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > BTW, the baz folks could get some very neat ideas from darcs. The > "offline mode comes free" way of working is very nice, and the > branching being easier than Arch is nice, too. We have .. we're about 3 releases (~3 months) away from a f

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

Hi everybody, Am Dienstag, den 31.05.2005, 11:54 -0700 schrieb Matt Zimmerman: > In some cases, Ubuntu maintainers are not also Debian maintainers, and as > such would require sponsorship in order to upload their packages to Debian. > Ubuntu, on the other hand, imports all new source packages from