Re: Maintenance of User-Mode Linux packages

2004-10-19 Thread Andrew Pollock
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 06:51:52PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > Is anyone (other than martin f krafft) interested in co-maintaining some or > all of the UML-oriented packages in Debian? This includes the following > source packages which I currently maintain: > > - user-mode-linux > - kernel-pa

Re: Reproducible, precompiled .o files: what say policy+gpl?

2004-10-19 Thread Josh Triplett
John H. Robinson, IV wrote: > Glenn Maynard wrote: >>On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 10:01:05PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: >>I'm saying that a package built with ecc (or icc or whatever) is not >>the same package that you'll get if you build the same sources with >>gcc; it's significantly functiona

an idea for next generation APT archive caching

2004-10-19 Thread martin f krafft
Here's an idea I just had about apt-proxy/apt-cacher NG. Maybe this could be interesting, maybe it's just crap. Your call. Based on a normal mirror layout, the idea is to use apache's 404 hook for packages. When an existing package is requested, it is served regularly. If the file is not found, a

Re: Reproducible, precompiled .o files: what say policy+gpl?

2004-10-19 Thread Josh Triplett
Wesley W. Terpstra wrote: > Since there's one GPL question left, I am still posting to debian-legal. > The legal question is marked ** for those who want to skip the rest. > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 11:49:56AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: >>Whether your university owns a license or not doe

Re: New ClamAV version uploaded, testers wanted

2004-10-19 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Christian Perrier said: > Quoting Stephen Gran ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > Hello all, > > > > I have uploaded 0.80 to experimental temporarily for testing purposes > > (it is also on p.d.o/~sgran). The two main concerns I have with > > releasing it into the wild at this

Bug#277426: ITP: flumotion -- Fluendo Streaming Server for audio and video

2004-10-19 Thread Jeff Waugh
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: flumotion Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : Johan Dahlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.fluendo.com/ * License : GPL Description : Fluendo Streaming Server for audio and video Flumotion is a modern

Bugzilla package in need of help

2004-10-19 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
Hi list, It came to my attention that the 'bugzilla' Debian package is currently not in Sarge, due to several RC bugs. Its maintainer seems to be busy, and in order to get this package elegible for inclusion in Sarge, uploads fixing those bugs are urgently needed. Note that currently there is stil

Re: Maintenance of User-Mode Linux packages

2004-10-19 Thread Mattia Dongili
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 02:31:12PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 11:14:55PM +0200, Sven Mueller wrote: > > > I would be interested to help. Due to my own real-life restrictions (I > > don't have huge amounts of time to spend) I would probably try helping > > with uml-uti

Re: Bug#277193: ITP: tagtool -- tool to tag and rename MP3 and Ogg Vorbis files

2004-10-19 Thread Michal Politowski
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:36:59 -0500, Graham Wilson wrote: [...] > > It seems not to handle correctly even Vorbis comments, which are UTF8 > > by definition. > > Seemed to work fine for me. How are you testing this? ./configure; make; make install Then opened some correctly commented files, which r

Re: Maintenance of User-Mode Linux packages

2004-10-19 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 11:14:55PM +0200, Sven Mueller wrote: > I would be interested to help. Due to my own real-life restrictions (I > don't have huge amounts of time to spend) I would probably try helping > with uml-utilities though. IANADD yet though. These packages need someone with a lot

Re: Maintenance of User-Mode Linux packages

2004-10-19 Thread Sven Mueller
Matt Zimmerman [u] wrote on 19/10/2004 03:51: Is anyone (other than martin f krafft) interested in co-maintaining some or all of the UML-oriented packages in Debian? This includes the following source packages which I currently maintain: - user-mode-linux - kernel-patch-uml - uml-utilities Things

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-10-19 Thread sean finney
another update for those interested: http://people.debian.org/~seanius/policy/dbapp-policy.html deb http://people.debian.org/~seanius/policy/examples/ ./ deb-src http://people.debian.org/~seanius/policy/examples/ ./ i've incorporated many of the changes discussed in the related d-d threads into

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-10-19 Thread sean finney
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 05:19:47PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > 1. I would set the default of the "leave data after purge" to true >and give it priority high. i guess i had forgotten to update the page on this one (someone else had requested this too). it should be updated now. > 2. I am

Re: Reproducible, precompiled .o files: what say policy+gpl?

2004-10-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
"John H. Robinson, IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The only difference is in *performance*. If there are other differences, > then there is a bug in one of the two compilers. If you are equating > performance with functionality, then we are going to have a very hard > time communicating. This i

requirements regarding 'priorities'

2004-10-19 Thread Wolfgang Sourdeau
Hi all, I am sponsoring a future maintainer whose package 'movixmaker-2' has its official priority set to "optional". This package depends on libconfig-inifiles-perl, of which the priority is "extra". OTOH, the policy states (section 2.5): "Packages must not depend on packages with lower priorit

Re: Reproducible, precompiled .o files: what say policy+gpl?

2004-10-19 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 09:16:17AM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: > The only difference is in *performance*. If there are other differences, > then there is a bug in one of the two compilers. If you are equating > performance with functionality, then we are going to have a very hard > time comm

gnome-2.8, evolution-2, and integrated vim

2004-10-19 Thread Thomas E. Vaughan
Now that I have gnome-2.8 and evolution-2, working on my unstable/experimental box, I should like to get vim working as the editor in evolution's composer. I have followed the instructions at http://wiki.debian.net/kwiki.cgi?GnomeTwoDotEightFAQ for installing gnome-2.8, and everything works

Re: forwarding bugs to other packages

2004-10-19 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 08:26:23AM +1000, Brian May wrote: > > "Bernd" == Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Bernd> On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 05:54:44PM +1000, Brian May wrote: > >> I could just close the bug against my package, but this means other > >> people will enco

Re: Reproducible, precompiled .o files: what say policy+gpl?

2004-10-19 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
I am not subscribed to debian-legal Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 10:01:05PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: > > I'm saying that a package built with ecc (or icc or whatever) is not > the same package that you'll get if you build the same sources with > gcc; it's significantly

Re: Bug#277193: ITP: tagtool -- tool to tag and rename MP3 and Ogg Vorbis files

2004-10-19 Thread Graham Wilson
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 12:01:44PM +0200, Michal Politowski wrote: > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:46:02 -0500, Graham Wilson wrote: > > Audio Tag Tool is a program to manage the information fields in MP3 and > > Ogg Vorbis files (commonly called tags). Tag Tool can be used to edit > > tags one by one, bu

Re: Bug#277193: ITP: tagtool -- tool to tag and rename MP3 and Ogg Vorbis files

2004-10-19 Thread Graham Wilson
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 10:45:59PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote: > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:46:02 -0500, Graham Wilson wrote: > > Audio Tag Tool is a program to manage the information fields in MP3 and > > Ogg Vorbis files (commonly called tags). Tag Tool can be used to edit > > tags one by one, but the

Re: Bug#277193: ITP: tagtool -- tool to tag and rename MP3 and Ogg Vorbis files

2004-10-19 Thread Graham Wilson
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 02:45:24AM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 10:45:59PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote: > > Description: viewing, editing and writing ID3 tags of MP3 and Ogg files > > EasyTAG is an utility for viewing, editing and writing > > the ID3 tags of MP3 and Ogg file

Re: RFC: common database policy/infrastracture

2004-10-19 Thread martin f krafft
1. I would set the default of the "leave data after purge" to true and give it priority high. 2. I am not sure what you mean by "maintainer script". prerm and preinst should not ask questions. they are there to enact values stored in the debconf cache. config, on the other hand, should

Re: Do _not_ file massbugs without consulting debian-devel (Re: Bug#277210: package description typo(s) and the like)

2004-10-19 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 04:26:58PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On 20041019T134416+0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > > Please cool down, if you compare with #268503, this one includes a > > patch whereas the original did not, so it is not a duplicate but an > > improvement. > > In other wor

Re: dpkg -P backuppc fails

2004-10-19 Thread Frank Küster
Ludovic Drolez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > The postinst script seems to be stuck in db_purge, a line which was > added automatically: The postinst script is not executed upon purging a package. Probably you mean the postrm script? > > ... > # Automatically added by dh_installdebconf > if [ "$

Re: Do _not_ file massbugs without consulting debian-devel (Re: Bug#277210: package description typo(s) and the like)

2004-10-19 Thread Steve Greenland
On 19-Oct-04, 03:06 (CDT), Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Description: Third Eye EPIC script > > Third Eye is a script for the EPIC IRC client, optimized for version > > 4pre2.004. > > - It's features include flood protection, nearly completely configurable > > ansi

Re: Do _not_ file massbugs without consulting debian-devel (Re: Bug#277210: package description typo(s) and the like)

2004-10-19 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20041019T134416+0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > Please cool down, if you compare with #268503, this one includes a > patch whereas the original did not, so it is not a duplicate but an > improvement. In other words, it is a duplicate report with a patch. The proper thing (with respect to this i

Re: Do _not_ file massbugs without consulting debian-devel (Re: Bug#277210: package description typo(s) and the like)

2004-10-19 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 10:06:01AM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 08:11:32AM +0200, Florian Zumbiehl wrote: > > I searched through the Packages file a bit for typos and the like - below > > you find a diff of this package's description (a) showing what I think is > >

Re: Reproducible, precompiled .o files: what say policy+gpl?

2004-10-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 06:28:01PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: [...] > This package is buildable by tools in main. It meets the letter of the > law. The spirit seems a bit ambiguous. Good case in point, the m68k > cross-compiled stuff, where the cross-compiler used was non-free. (I > have no

Re: Reproducible, precompiled .o files: what say policy+gpl?

2004-10-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 05:47:26PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 02:04:42AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > A difference in optimization is not relevant to a package's freedom. > > If compiling the program with a non-free compiler gains you users who would > not find the

Re: dpkg -P backuppc fails

2004-10-19 Thread Ludovic Drolez
Hi, giuseppe:~# dpkg -P backuppc (Reading database ... 87999 files and directories currently installed.) Removing backuppc ... Stopping backuppc: ok. Purging configuration files for backuppc ... and stop... The postinst script seems to be stuck in db_purge, a line which was added automatically:

Re: Reproducible, precompiled .o files: what say policy+gpl?

2004-10-19 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 08:11:50PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 10:24:44PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > > Exact words are: > > > > In addition, the packages in _main_ > > * must not require a package outside of _main_ for compilation or > > executi

Re: Reproducible, precompiled .o files: what say policy+gpl?

2004-10-19 Thread Wesley W. Terpstra
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 11:05:16PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > > find -name testing.part.\* -print0 | xargs -0 parchive a -n 16384 > > testing.par > > You're splitting into parts which are far too small. Yes, it's too small for par. It's also clear that it's too small for usenet use. However

Re: Reproducible, precompiled .o files: what say policy+gpl?

2004-10-19 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 10:24:44PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 06:28:01PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: > > Note the exact words (I am assuming that Glenn copied them verbatim): > > the package in main must be buildable with tools in main > > Exact words are: > >

Re: Reproducible, precompiled .o files: what say policy+gpl?

2004-10-19 Thread Wesley W. Terpstra
I know this thread has progressed beyond the actual situation I asked about, but I wanted to just throw in my opinion too. On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 09:13:24AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > A program is IMHO not only specified by the fact that it does certain > transformations from input to output,

Re: Bug#277193: ITP: tagtool -- tool to tag and rename MP3 and Ogg Vorbis files

2004-10-19 Thread Michal Politowski
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:46:02 -0500, Graham Wilson wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > > * Package name: tagtool > Version : 0.10 > Upstream Author : Pedro Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL : http://pwp.netcabo.pt/paol/tagtool/ > * License : GPL > Des

Re: Reproducible, precompiled .o files: what say policy+gpl?

2004-10-19 Thread Florian Weimer
* Glenn Maynard: >> Perhaps I should make my program 'par' command-line compatible! >> OTOH, when you have so many small files it is not convenient. > > I don't really understand the use of allowing thousands of tiny parts. > What's the intended end use? I suppose it could be used for multicast f

Re: Reproducible, precompiled .o files: what say policy+gpl?

2004-10-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 09:13:24AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041019 00:40]: > > Wesley's software can be built using software in main. It will not be as > > fast, but it will still do its job, flawlessly, without loss of > > features, with the ability to m

Do _not_ file massbugs without consulting debian-devel (Re: Bug#277210: package description typo(s) and the like)

2004-10-19 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 08:11:32AM +0200, Florian Zumbiehl wrote: > Package: epic4-script-thirdeye > Version: 1.72-4 > Severity: minor > > I searched through the Packages file a bit for typos and the like - below > you find a diff of this package's description (a) showing what I think is > wrong a

Re: Xsession doesn't use umask setting from /etc/login.defs

2004-10-19 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Tomas Fasth | Branden Robinson wrote: | | Would pam_umask.so be a worthwhile exercise for some enterprising | | person? | | May I suggest pam_logindefs.so? No, that's a bad idea for a variety of reasons, for instance that we already have pam_limits and as pam modules often are security-critic

Re: Reproducible, precompiled .o files: what say policy+gpl?

2004-10-19 Thread Andreas Barth
* John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041019 00:55]: > I _think_ it would also be acceptable for you to build the debs you upload > with CC=icc. I disagree to that statement. IMHO all binary packages uploaded into debian should be the same as if autobuild. Everything else produces pain for QA, securi

Re: Reproducible, precompiled .o files: what say policy+gpl?

2004-10-19 Thread Andreas Barth
* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041019 00:40]: > On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 07:51:00PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le lundi 18 octobre 2004 à 19:22 +0200, Wesley W. Terpstra a écrit : > > > So, when it comes time to release this and include it in a .deb, I ask > > > myself: what would ha

Re: Bug#277193: ITP: tagtool -- tool to tag and rename MP3 and Ogg Vorbis files

2004-10-19 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 10:45:59PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote: > Description: viewing, editing and writing ID3 tags of MP3 and Ogg files > EasyTAG is an utility for viewing, editing and writing > the ID3 tags of MP3 and Ogg files, using a GTK+ interface. Ogg files don't have ID3 tags; I trust this

Re: Reproducible, precompiled .o files: what say policy+gpl?

2004-10-19 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 10:01:05PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: > I agree with this. This is also not the point. You keep talking about > pracakge that can only be built with a non-free compiler. The one in > question can be built with a free or non-free compiler. No, that's not what I said.

Re: New ClamAV version uploaded, testers wanted

2004-10-19 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Stephen Gran ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Hello all, > > I have uploaded 0.80 to experimental temporarily for testing purposes > (it is also on p.d.o/~sgran). The two main concerns I have with > releasing it into the wild at this point are false positives in the jpeg > scanning code (appears to

Re: Bug#277193: ITP: tagtool -- tool to tag and rename MP3 and Ogg Vorbis files

2004-10-19 Thread Joshua Kwan
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:46:02 -0500, Graham Wilson wrote: > Audio Tag Tool is a program to manage the information fields in MP3 and > Ogg Vorbis files (commonly called tags). Tag Tool can be used to edit > tags one by one, but the most useful features are mass tag and mass > rename. These are design

Re: Reproducible, precompiled .o files: what say policy+gpl?

2004-10-19 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
I am not subscribed to debian-legal. Glenn Maynard wrote: > > Consider a major, practical reason we require that packages be buildable > with free tools: so people--both Debian and users--can make fixes to the > software in the future. I agree with this. This is also not the point. You keep talk

Re: Reproducible, precompiled .o files: what say policy+gpl?

2004-10-19 Thread Matthew Dempsky
"John H. Robinson, IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This package is buildable by tools in main. It meets the letter of the > law. The spirit seems a bit ambiguous. Good case in point, the m68k > cross-compiled stuff, where the cross-compiler used was non-free. (I > have not verified the accuracy