Re: [developers-l] Re: [debian-devel] Re: security enhanced debian branch?

2003-12-18 Thread Peter Busser
Hi! On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 06:39:28PM +, Magos?nyi ?rp?d wrote: > A levelez?m azt hiszi, hogy Matt Zimmerman a k?vetkez?eket ?rta: > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 09:07:02AM -0400, Ben Armstrong wrote: > > > Second, any such effort shouldn't be a branch, but should be mainstreamed > > > in > >

Re: Services I'd like from auric

2003-12-18 Thread Martin Loschwitz
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 03:56:02PM -0700, Kevin Rosenberg wrote: > I certainly miss the varied and up-to-date information that I was able > to get from auric. Taking James Troup's advice from his announcement > of discussing information we'd like from auric, what's on my mind > today is the ability

Re: Services I'd like from auric

2003-12-18 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Mon, 2003-12-15 at 08:15, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> There's the question of botched uploads. I think we've all accidentally > >> botched an upload one time or another, and having access to auric means > >> we can fix it without having to call on

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Danilo Piazzalunga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] Alle 21:13, mercoledì 17 dicembre 2003, Nathan Hawkins ha scritto: > If you wanted Greek names, there are plenty of obscure nymphs, satyrs, > centaurs, etc. to choose from. Here's the name index from Ovid's Metamo

Re: udev and /sys mounting [was: mounting tmpfs (and sysfs) defaultly in sarge?]

2003-12-18 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 06:39:13PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Dec 18, GOTO Masanori <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >OK, I would like to rename from /etc/init.d/devpts.sh to > >/etc/init.d/mountfs, because (1) for example there is mountnfs which > >mounts nfs (2) umountfs in initscripts un-

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 04:31:42AM +, Henning Makholm wrote: > > Which would amount to saying "We won't tell you why, but please change > > your name." I think that would be discouteous in the extreme. > No, they simply could have said that they

Re: Release-critical Bugreport for December 12, 2003

2003-12-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 03:18:49PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 11:32:31PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 05:00:13PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > There's certainly time to communicate with the Release Manager that > > > the package should n

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Joel Baker
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 08:50:48PM +, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > The 'slander', if such it is (and I, obviously, don't consider it such) > > is against the named set of churches, and those that follow their doctrinal > > decrees > > Claiming that Ch

Bug#224423: ITP: p3scan -- transparent POP3-proxy with virus- and spam-scannig

2003-12-18 Thread Mats Rynge
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2003-12-18 Severity: wishlist * Package name: p3scan Version : 1.0-rc6 Upstream Author : Jack S. Lai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://p3scan.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Description : transparent POP3-proxy with v

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The 'slander', if such it is (and I, obviously, don't consider it such) > is against the named set of churches, and those that follow their doctrinal > decrees Claiming that Christians are against civil liberties is slander in my book. You named, among ot

Re: GNU within the name

2003-12-18 Thread Mathieu Roy
Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Julian Mehnle dijo [Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:56:15PM +0100]: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > If we ever get a replacement libc that would really work as >> > replacement... on such system GNU claims would become much weaker. Not >> > that there was a seriou

Re: GNU within the name

2003-12-18 Thread Mathieu Roy
Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Mathieu Roy wrote: > ... >> When I'm told that a system is running GNU/whatever, I expect first to >> find there GNU coreutils, GNU bash, GNU Emacs, GNU Compiler >> Collection, gzip, GNU awk,GNU make, the GNU Debugger, GNU sysutils, >> GNU tar, GNUpg, GNU gr

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Joel Baker
[ Re-adding Cc to debian-bsd, since it's a serious naming proposal ] On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 03:12:05PM -0500, Jim Penny wrote: > On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:42:23 -0500 > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Actually, I think daemons first showed up in the _Fiend Folio_, which > > means

Re: GNU within the name

2003-12-18 Thread Erik Steffl
Mathieu Roy wrote: ... When I'm told that a system is running GNU/whatever, I expect first to find there GNU coreutils, GNU bash, GNU Emacs, GNU Compiler Collection, gzip, GNU awk,GNU make, the GNU Debugger, GNU sysutils, GNU tar, GNUpg, GNU grep, GNU mailutils, GNU ncurses, GNU readline, GNU shell

2.6 and SE Linux

2003-12-18 Thread Russell Coker
I have attached a copy of the README.Debian file from my kernel-patch-2.4-lsm package which documents the kernel configuration settings for using SE Linux. I believe that Debian should do the same thing as Red Hat in terms of SE Linux kernel support. That is 2.6 kernels should be built with SE

Re: Release-critical Bugreport for December 12, 2003

2003-12-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 11:32:31PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 05:00:13PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > > There's certainly time to communicate with the Release Manager that > > the package should no longer be considered a removal candidate. > > The way to do that is to

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Jim Penny
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:42:23 -0500 Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, I think daemons first showed up in the _Fiend Folio_, which > means we have the British to thank for this confusion. ;-) > What about Maxwell's daemon? This is usually thought to be the computer origin o

让你的电脑分身有术

2003-12-18 Thread sl
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Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 04:31:42AM +, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 01:12:21AM +, Henning Makholm wrote: > > > I think you trimmed away content that was crucial for understanding the > > parts you did quote, but whatever.

Re: [debian-devel] Re: security enhanced debian branch?

2003-12-18 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:39, Magosányi Árpád <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think this kind of stuff could be handled in new architectures. For > example the Adamantix project could be merged back by creating > an architecture i386-adamantix for the stack protected stuff, and > the other parts being

[OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 04:20:46PM -0500, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: > Nathan Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If you wanted Greek names, there are plenty of obscure nymphs, satyrs, > > centaurs, etc. to choose from. Since the Greeks classified them as > > neither evil spirits nor deities, many

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:13:29AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > Cf. Jesux. > > ...which has gone for some years without attracting anyone who is both > pious enough and clueful enough to develop it. > > I find this inverse correlation suggestive. :) Or, it could be that Jesux wasn't reall

Re: Debian Mini CD bootable?

2003-12-18 Thread Ian Eure
On Tuesday 16 December 2003 07:06 am, ROBERT JACOBSEN wrote: > Hello! > > I have downloaded the Debian minimal install iso image and > written it to CD. The file on the CD is still in iso format (@185MB) > This is your problem. An ISO is a filesystem image, meant to be burnt directly to the CD. Yo

Re: udev and /sys mounting [was: mounting tmpfs (and sysfs) defaultly in sarge?]

2003-12-18 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Dec 18, GOTO Masanori <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >OK, I would like to rename from /etc/init.d/devpts.sh to >/etc/init.d/mountfs, because (1) for example there is mountnfs which >mounts nfs (2) umountfs in initscripts un-mounts filesystems, so >"mountfs" makes a name pair. Any comments? Loo

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Nunya
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 01:53:26PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:07:44PM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:03:00PM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 06:44:58PM -0800, Nunya Who wrote: > > > > Oh, its our good friend Tom

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 08:43:29AM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 07:43:27PM -0800, Nunya wrote: > > The US is pretty adamant about separation of church and state. > > Which is why the phrase "In God We Trust" is engraved or printed on all > the US currency. That's why the

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 03:02:29PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:43, Nunya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The US is pretty adamant about separation of church and state. > > Point to something specific, and we'll kick the fuckers out. > > I along with many others are looking

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:07:44PM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:03:00PM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 06:44:58PM -0800, Nunya Who wrote: > > Oh, its our good friend Tom Ballard. Maybe you could get back to working > on Debian and stop trolling

Re: [custom] Debian Enterprise - packages

2003-12-18 Thread Michael Meskes
[Late answer, but I just lacked the time to read all mails.] On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 02:52:13PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 14:45, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > As per the recommendations from Bruce Perens' User Linux paper > > http://userlinux.com/white_paper.html, this thr

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Nunya
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 01:44:59PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 05:19:28PM -0800, Nunya wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 02:19:46PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > > > > I believe that if you cared to do the research on Usenet and mailing list > > > debates of this k

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 01:32:41AM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: > On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 01:16, Nunya wrote: > > > Face it. You're practicing hate speech. You're not better than what > > you hate. > > > Ya know, I've always wondered something when people say things like > this... > > If I

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Nunya
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:40:06PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > I guess someone from a culture with a caste system would believe that: > > It is justified to sneer and think inferior certain people. > > We don't buy that shit here. > > I've noticed that and the "Godwin" (with no mention o

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Branden Robinson
[I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 11:33:48PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:24:04AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > | > Demons are evil, > | > | Demons don't exist. Consequently, their moral value is undefinable. > > I claim that their

Re: [debian-devel] Re: security enhanced debian branch?

2003-12-18 Thread Magosányi Árpád
A levelezőm azt hiszi, hogy Matt Zimmerman a következőeket írta: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 09:07:02AM -0400, Ben Armstrong wrote: > > > Second, any such effort shouldn't be a branch, but should be mainstreamed > > in > > Debian proper. Please see http://wiki.debian.net/CustomDebian for a > > p

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 05:19:28PM -0800, Nunya wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 02:19:46PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > > I believe that if you cared to do the research on Usenet and mailing list > > debates of this kind, my statement above is defensible as fact on rigorous > > statistical gr

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:41:12AM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > The thought goes something like this: > > "Well, the mascot of ALL the BSD derivatives is a daemon, in various forms" > (and, I will note, they are quite adament about it *not* being a demon, > which is why the form is *always* a cartoo

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 10:18:41AM -0800, Nunya wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 07:39:51AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:49:06 -0800, Nunya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 01:38:45AM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > > >> On Wed, Dec 17, 200

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:31:17AM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > Somehow, I don't think Branden will mind being told his dislike of > "parochial religious fundamentalists" is showing. I suspect he'd be proud > of it. But you'll see for yourself, soon enough. I've known some quite nice people who had

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 08:17:03AM -0800, Nunya wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:31:53AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 05:23:39PM -0800, Nunya wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 04:12:56PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > > Because Christians are the people who pri

Re: Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Nunya
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:25:31PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > >Adamant about the seperation of state and non-christian churches[0]. > >But, of course us weirdos[1] in california decided the pledge was > >unconstitutional... of course I'm sure that was overturned[2]. > No, not overturned. Wai

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Nunya
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 07:39:51AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:49:06 -0800, Nunya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 01:38:45AM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 08:53:18AM -0800, Nunya wrote: > >> > >> | I don't believe i

Re: Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Adamant about the seperation of state and non-christian churches[0]. But, of course us weirdos[1] in california decided the pledge was unconstitutional... of course I'm sure that was overturned[2]. No, not overturned. Waiting on appeal to the Supreme Court, which takes its Own Sweet Time to do an

Suggestions for NMU targets

2003-12-18 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Packages with these sorts of bugs: * binaries accessing 'errno' or 'errno_h' directly. This is easy to fix; just make them #include in the appropriate file. If it builds, you've fixed it. * Build-Dependency breakage. There's an awful lot of RC bugs due to this. If you can just add or change a

Re: Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Nathanael Nerode
What are the UUs? Unitarian Universalists. Possibly the most liberal church in existence. I think they're great. ;-) They don't require adherence to any doctrine (you can even be a UU atheist; although it started out as a Christian group, that's now optional). They're very big on social justi

Processed: Re: Bug#224047: general: The upgrade starts the postgresql even if runlevel settings say NO to postgresql

2003-12-18 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > reassign 224047 postgresql Bug#224047: general: The upgrade starts the postgresql even if runlevel settings say NO to postgresql Bug reassigned from package `general' to `postgresql'. > severity 224047 normal Bug#224047: general: The upgrade starts th

Re: security enhanced debian branch?

2003-12-18 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 09:07:02AM -0400, Ben Armstrong wrote: > Second, any such effort shouldn't be a branch, but should be mainstreamed in > Debian proper. Please see http://wiki.debian.net/CustomDebian for a > possible approach for this sort of project. For cases where the added functional

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Bug#224047: general: The upgrade starts the postgresql even if runlevel settings say NO to postgresql

2003-12-18 Thread Brian M. Carlson
reassign 224047 postgresql severity 224047 normal retitle 224047 postgresql: restarts postmaster after upgrade even when disabled thanks, control, and have a nice day On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 09:23:59PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Package: general > Version: 20031213 > Severity: critical Thi

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Tom said: > Y'all are going to bust a vein on this one. > > So far, on *.debian.org, I've found a great many people who actively > hate Jesus, this german who apparently has familiar views on Jews (as > does frighteningly much of Europe), and a whole bunch of college >

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Josh Lauricha
On Thu 12/18/03 08:43, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 07:43:27PM -0800, Nunya wrote: > > The US is pretty adamant about separation of church and state. > > Which is why the phrase "In God We Trust" is engraved or printed on all > the US currency. That's why the Pledge of Allegianc

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Joel Baker
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 09:48:31AM -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Russell Coker wrote: > > > On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:15, Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The Anglican church is, in fact, the most likely among anyone except > > > the UUs to (eventually) decide that i

Re: Which machine is best to build documentation package?

2003-12-18 Thread Paul Slootman
On Wed 17 Dec 2003, Osamu Aoki wrote: > Since SSH upload has been disabled, it looks very slow and unreliable to > upload. (Does dupload uses -C ? Somehow, I felt faster.) Using -C will not make it faster, as all the files to be uploaded are compressed already (except .changes and .dsc, which

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Joel Baker
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 05:21:23AM +, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 03:05:46PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > > > On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:39, Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Imagining it? I suppose it's possible that

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Joel Baker
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:52:00PM +0200, Kai Henningsen wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel Baker) wrote on 17.12.03 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Since you have no idea *what* civil rights I'm claiming are denied, your > > claim that I'm just imagining this denial is... well, I'll just let it > >

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:49:06 -0800, Nunya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 01:38:45AM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 08:53:18AM -0800, Nunya wrote: >> >> | I don't believe in magical beings. I *do* believe some humans | >> intentionally set out to hu

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:13:52 -0500, Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I think the fundies should crawl back into their spider holes to > await the Apocalypse, while us heathens and sinners who don't TRULY > know the saving grace of Jesus Christ can get back to making the > world a bet

Bug#223772: general: no md5sums for many packages (e.g. bc)

2003-12-18 Thread Steve Greenland
On 18-Dec-03, 02:43 (CST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Do you want to tell us that the absence of the md5sums-files (those which > contain md5sums for every file in the package, and they _are_ absent for a > number of packages) should not be considered a bug, even if debsums > complains about th

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Joel Baker
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:06:56PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:56:15PM +0100, Julian Mehnle wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > If we ever get a replacement libc that would really work as > > > replacement... on such system GNU claims would become much weaker.

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 07:43:27PM -0800, Nunya wrote: > The US is pretty adamant about separation of church and state. Which is why the phrase "In God We Trust" is engraved or printed on all the US currency. That's why the Pledge of Allegiance has the phrase, "Under God.." Yeah, adamant. -- C

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 10:41:46AM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote: > You are currently saying that the GNU in GNU/Linux is justified by the > glibc and not by any other GNU software, because these GNU software > are common on other unixes. Maybe what he was saying, but that's obviously not the real issu

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Joel Baker
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 11:30:57PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:15, Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Anglican church is, in fact, the most likely among anyone except the > > UUs to (eventually) decide that it's OK, for the same reasons that they > > have (now) d

Re: run-parts concurrently?

2003-12-18 Thread A Mennucc
Thomas Hood wrote: Is there a version of run-parts out there that runs all the scripts in a directory in parallel? I have been writing such a thing but I want to make sure that I am not reinventing the wheel. -- Thomas Hood yes there is but I dont remember where look for "ways to speed the bo

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Russell Coker wrote: > On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:15, Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Anglican church is, in fact, the most likely among anyone except the > > UUs to (eventually) decide that it's OK, for the same reasons that they > > have (now) decided that it's OK

Re: udev and /sys mounting [was: mounting tmpfs (and sysfs) defaultly in sarge?]

2003-12-18 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! On 2003-12-18 22:06 +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote: > > What about /etc/init.d/kernfs or mountkernfs? > > OK, I would like to rename from /etc/init.d/devpts.sh to > /etc/init.d/mountfs, because (1) for example there is mountnfs which > mounts nfs (2) umountfs in initscripts un-mounts filesystems,

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Nunya
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 01:05:00PM +0200, Kai Henningsen wrote: > > ... neither of the two above, who are pretty obviously losers (even though > they're certainly on very different sides; surprise, sometimes there's > more than two of 'em). > > There's more than one actual difference between

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread viro
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 02:26:27PM +0200, Momchil Velikov wrote: > > "Mathieu" == Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Mathieu> If we follow your theory, it means that if someday another > Mathieu> system use the glibc, we should remove the GNU from the > Mathieu> GNU/Linux name. Arr

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Dalibor Topic
Momchil Velikov wrote: "Sven" == Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Sven> That would be a funny naming scheme. That said, how would we then Sven> differentiate the three BSD ports ? GNU/First one that shall not be Sven> named and so one ? Indeed ! GNU/First one that shall not be named GNU/Nex

Re: glib-devel and libgtk-devel

2003-12-18 Thread Ganesan R
> "shridevi" == shridevi anagawadi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > I am trying to install Sylpheed on PC with debian ( Kernel version 2.4).I > am not able to compile sylpheed. I am not able to download : Why? Debian unstable already has sylpheed and sylpheed-claws packages? > libglib ver

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Julian Mehnle dijo [Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:56:15PM +0100]: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > If we ever get a replacement libc that would really work as > > replacement... on such system GNU claims would become much weaker. Not > > that there was a serious chance of that happening - drop-in replacem

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron Patrick) wrote on 18.12.03 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 01:32:41AM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: > | On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 01:16, Nunya wrote: > | > | > Face it. You're practicing hate speech. You're not better than what > | > you hate. > | >

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Henning Makholm) wrote on 18.12.03 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Scripsit Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 03:05:46PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > > > On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:39, Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Imagining it? I suppose it's

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Momchil Velikov
> "Sven" == Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Sven> That would be a funny naming scheme. That said, how would we then Sven> differentiate the three BSD ports ? GNU/First one that shall not be Sven> named and so one ? Indeed ! GNU/First one that shall not be named GNU/Next one that shal

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Momchil Velikov
> "Mathieu" == Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mathieu> If we follow your theory, it means that if someday another Mathieu> system use the glibc, we should remove the GNU from the Mathieu> GNU/Linux name. FWIW, BeOS uses glibc. ~velco

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel Baker) wrote on 17.12.03 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 07:25:11PM -0800, Nunya wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 07:56:41PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > > For the record, however, if you consider saying that the lifestyle or > > > beliefs of someone yo

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nunya) wrote on 17.12.03 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 11:35:54AM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > > | You are totally rationalizing. > > > > *sigh* From Branden's original post where he mentioned the names: > > > > > We might use names from Christian demono

Re: udev and /sys mounting [was: mounting tmpfs (and sysfs) defaultly in sarge?]

2003-12-18 Thread GOTO Masanori
At Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:11:18 +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: > On 2003-12-15 10:04 +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote: > > >From the view point of libc6 maintainer, it's no problem to merge /sys > > mount for /etc/init.d/devpts.sh. The name of devpts.sh should be > > renamed to something, though. And it can be

autoconf - make-kpkg problem

2003-12-18 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, I try to build a kernel module (legousbtower to get Lego Mindstorm with USB working). I builded a module-source package and tried fakeroot make-kpkg modules_image This process stops by config.status: creating Makefile sed: file ./confstatnlBJkF/subs-1.sed line 47: Unterminated `s'

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:10, "David Palmer." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Supply all of the relevant, and none of the extraneous:- > > Debian GNU/Free > Debian GNU/Net > Debian GNU/Open I disagree. Debian GNU/Linux is free, it works well on the net, and it is open. I think that your naming sugges

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread David Palmer.
On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 20:08, Michael Piefel wrote: > Am 18.12.03 um 11:05:36 schrieb Sven Luther: > > That would be a funny naming scheme. That said, how would we then > > differentiate the three BSD ports ? GNU/First one that shall not be > > named and so one ? > Exactly: >Debian GNU/First one

glib-devel and libgtk-devel

2003-12-18 Thread shridevi anagawadi
Hi, I am trying to install Sylpheed on PC with debian ( Kernel version 2.4).I am not able to compile sylpheed.I am not able to download : libglib version 1.2, libglib-devel version 1.2, libgtk-devel version1.2 libgtk version1.2. Can anyone one help me to find these sources?Or can anyone help

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:15, Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Anglican church is, in fact, the most likely among anyone except the > UUs to (eventually) decide that it's OK, for the same reasons that they > have (now) decided that it's OK to have gay clergy and formal recognition > of comm

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Michael Piefel
Am 18.12.03 um 11:05:36 schrieb Sven Luther: > That would be a funny naming scheme. That said, how would we then > differentiate the three BSD ports ? GNU/First one that shall not be > named and so one ? Exactly: Debian GNU/First one that shall not be named Debian GNU/Next one that shall not

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread viro
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:56:15PM +0100, Julian Mehnle wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > If we ever get a replacement libc that would really work as > > replacement... on such system GNU claims would become much weaker. Not > > that there was a serious chance of that happening - drop-in repla

Re: GNU within the name

2003-12-18 Thread viro
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:15:37PM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote: > > Why not? > > You said what I expected from you: you revealed that you disbelieve > that the system should be called GNU/Linux. Good to know in this kind > of discussion. I'm not a True Believer, if that's what you mean. > Why not

RE: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Julian Mehnle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If we ever get a replacement libc that would really work as > replacement... on such system GNU claims would become much weaker. Not > that there was a serious chance of that happening - drop-in replacement > of glibc on Linux would be a lot of work and so far none of th

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Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 06:37:56PM -0600, Kevin Kreamer wrote: > [I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] > > On Dec 17, 2003, at 10:20, Branden Robinson wrote: > >Given that we're going to be saddled with with a comprehension problem > >anyway, I say we abandon the effort to be descriptive in the pro

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 11:26:10AM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 04:42:28PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > Well, just for the record, i personnally would prefer we don't use > > demon name for keyword if possible. > > Forgive me for the gratuitous Harry Potter reference, but

Re: GNU within the name

2003-12-18 Thread Mathieu Roy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 10:41:46AM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote: >> You are currently saying that the GNU in GNU/Linux is justified by the >> glibc and not by any other GNU software, because these GNU software >> are common on other unixes. >> >> Why? If you are right that o

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2003-12-18 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:11:15PM +0330, Arash Bijanzadeh wrote: > I faced a problem with unicode and gotto go inside of this technoligy. I > noticed that for example when I am inserting a Arabic_khah with the unicode > 0f 062E two bytes with values D8 AE would be inserted to the file. Can > an

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Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread viro
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 10:41:46AM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote: > You are currently saying that the GNU in GNU/Linux is justified by the > glibc and not by any other GNU software, because these GNU software > are common on other unixes. > > Why? If you are right that others unixes uses widely GNU sof

GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Mathieu Roy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 05:03:55AM +, Henning Makholm wrote: >> Scripsit Kevin Kreamer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > In the case of a NetBSD libc, you could use >> >> > Debian NBSD/NBSD >> >> > basically having the first half signify which libc is used. >> >> Wouldn

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Re: packages.debian.org is useless

2003-12-18 Thread Toni Mueller
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Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Momchil Velikov
> "Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Branden> Remember, outside the Free Software community, copyright is Branden> used only as a destructive weapon, not a tool for promoting Branden> cooperation and harmony. It looks like not only outside Free Software community, con

ÙUnicode problem

2003-12-18 Thread Arash Bijanzadeh
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Re: Lustre File System Support?

2003-12-18 Thread Andres Salomon
Packaging Lustre has been on my mind for some time (I packaged intermezzo, but since that never really stabilized, I didn't upload it). I plan to play w/ it in a bit; if it hasn't been packaged at that point, I may do it. At this point, it has a lot more resources being put into its development th

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread David Weinehall
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 01:54:14PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 03:13:03PM -0500, Nathan Hawkins wrote: > > > > If we're really worried about this, we can always use the names of the > > Dwarves in the Hobbit. Most (all?) of those names are from Icelandic > > sags, IIRC. So i

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