Re: Programming first steps.

Steve Lamb dijo [Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 05:40:18PM -0800]: > Python's diametrically opposed philosophy is much better. There should > ideally be only one obvious way to do something. With that in mind the > language itself is much smaller. Concepts are tied to one, maybe two > syntax. So in

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

H. S. Teoh dijo [Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 08:47:27PM -0500]: > > >*chalks up one more reason to avoid Python like the plague...* > > > > Uh, care to rewrite that since Python is now on 2.3 and 1.5.2 is > > several years old? > [snip] > > That doesn't negate the fact that I find significant w

emacs20 obsolete? (Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 06:33:52PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > I'm curious, for instance, as to why emacs20 hasn't managed to be removed > yet. Perhaps the maintainer hasn't requested its removal? I don't see a bug report open against ftp.debian.org. -- - mdz

How to allow the removal of emacs20

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I wrote: >Without, that is, installing every package in Debian. > >I'm curious, for instance, as to why emacs20 hasn't managed to be removed >yet. Presumably something depends on it. But I can't figure out what. Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >sledge:~$

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

(trimming -release) On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:14:49AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 11:53:36PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > So instead, we have a system where people take individual (or small > > group) responsibility for a particular piece of software, to take care > >

Re: Programming first steps.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 08:49:31PM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > Modal editors are Pure Evil(tm). Lies! -- Glenn Maynard :wq

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 08:56:49PM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > Yes, that's Pure Evil(tm). Just one step away from the atrocious > inconsistent indentation. (Believe me, I've seen *professional* > programmers insert random amounts of space just so they satisfy the law of > indentation, but it's compl

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 08:56:49PM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > Well, that's a whole 'nother can of worms. I firmly believe that all > functions longer than one printed page (approx 48 lines or so) are > inherently broken and must be re-written. Nevertheless, I find 8-space > indentation too wasteful

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 08:50:35AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > (I also share most of his conclusions. Why do we make a release plan > > if a lot of important packages ignore the plan?) > Is it possible to automate _enforcing_ any parts of the release plan > (eg. rejecting library so-name cha

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 08:56:49PM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: | Nevertheless, I find 8-space indentation too wasteful, 4-space | indentation too cumbersome to type, and 1-space indentation | unreadable. Your editor should do that for you! :-) e.g. set softtabstop=4 in vim will allow you to have 4-

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

Tom wrote: Do whitespace mistakes cause compile time errors? The frustrating thing about fortran was variable names that started with C could be interpreted as comments not indented correctly, which would just cause that line to be skipped. Integer literals not indented correctly could be int

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

> "Tom" == Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Tom> Do whitespace mistakes cause compile time errors? The frustrating Tom> thing about fortran was variable names that started with C could be Tom> interpreted as comments not indented correctly, which would just Tom> cause that lin

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 05:53:54PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > Tom wrote: > >Significant whitespace? Shudder, that brings back crusty old memories > >of Fortran. I have great fondness for fortran because of the wonderful > >mathematical algorithms in LinPack, but I have no fondness for > >signi

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:43:40AM +0800, Isaac To wrote: [snip] > H> That's because the terminal settings are b0rked. I personally delete > H> all programs that cannot cut-n-paste without messing up tabs and > H> spaces. Unfortunately, this happens a lot on the Winbloxe desktop at >

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

H. S. Teoh wrote: That doesn't negate the fact that I find significant whitespace rather atrocious. I really rather use a language where I'm free to format the code the way I want it, to maximally convey its meaning, rather than to be forced to write it a certain way because some genius decided tha

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

Tom wrote: Significant whitespace? Shudder, that brings back crusty old memories of Fortran. I have great fondness for fortran because of the wonderful mathematical algorithms in LinPack, but I have no fondness for significant whitespace. And? Does Fortran's rules map to Pythons? I often

Re: Programming first steps.

One of these days I'll also learn how to proofread before I hit send... Steve Lamb wrote: decade of Wordstar-esque editors ending with joe. I have vi. I love Hate, not have. mode when you want to be in command mode. When in edit mode ESC costs you nothing. It doesn't change modes. So

Re: Programming first steps.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 05:47:22PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: [snip] > With that said let me give you the biggest hint on learning any vi > variant: When in doubt, slap the ESC key. The commands and controls will > come in time but all of that doesn't mean a thing if you're in edit mode > whe

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 05:14:04PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > H. S. Teoh wrote: > >On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:29:52PM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: [snip] > >>Python did away with that requirement for scope in 2.x. If you want to > >>use blank lines for code logic separation in python < 2.0, you mus

Re: Programming first steps.

David Palmer wrote: (2) Perl or Python. This seems to be another divided camp. What are the capabilities of each? What are the applications of each? Python and Perl have basically the same capabilities and applications as the other. The major difference is Python doesn't look like warm-over

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

> "Tom" == Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Tom> Significant whitespace? Shudder, that brings back crusty old Tom> memories of Fortran. I have great fondness for fortran because of Tom> the wonderful mathematical algorithms in LinPack, but I have no Tom> fondness for signific

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

> "H" == H S Teoh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: H> I have a hate-hate relationship with it. I much prefer free-style H> syntax where the programmer is allowed to use his best judgment on H> how to indent the code. Of course, in less-than-ideal projects, or H> projects with less-t

[OT] Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:28:29AM +0800, Isaac To wrote: > > "H" == H S Teoh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > H> That would mean 95% of non-trivial XSLT stylesheets would need to be > H> rewritten... > > Or perhaps the XSLT language itself needs to be rewritten. [snip] Yes, that was

Re: Programming first steps.

Gunnar Wolf wrote: I strongly reccomend Perl. Why? Well, that's how I learnt (or more properly, how I picked up after years of inactivity) programming (I had only BASIC experience before that). Perl is a language meant to be easy to write - Yes, your first code will probably not be very maintainabl

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 05:21:23PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > H. S. Teoh wrote: > >On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:47:34AM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > >[snip] > > >>I have a love-hate relationship with the significant whitespace. > > >I have a hate-hate relationship with it. I much prefer free-style

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 11:53:36PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 05:42:20PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > Today, it's only 17 days until the officially announced "aggressive goal" > > for the release of Debian 3.1 [1]. That's a date many users know about, > > but I don't

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

> "H" == H S Teoh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: H> That would mean 95% of non-trivial XSLT stylesheets would need to be H> rewritten... Or perhaps the XSLT language itself needs to be rewritten. Regards, Isaac.

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

H. S. Teoh wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:47:34AM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: [snip] I have a love-hate relationship with the significant whitespace. I have a hate-hate relationship with it. I much prefer free-style syntax where the programmer is allowed to use his best judgment on how to inde

Re: Programming first steps.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 01:17:10PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > I found Python to be a very nice, elegant language. I have not yet > used it for any real project, but I am looking forward to give it a > spin. > Agreed. I used Linda as an excuse to learn Python, and it helped me _really_ understand

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

H. S. Teoh wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:29:52PM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:19:02PM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: Also, as an off-topic note, blank lines that contain tabs or spaces are Pure Evil(tm), especially in code. One of these days I should write a sed script to

Re: Howto reconfigure alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-k6

Otto Wyss dijo: > I've installed alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-k6 but made a mistake when > selecting the driver. So I tried > > dpkg-reconfigure alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-k6 > > but this doesn't show the driver list again! Okay getting dselect out, > purge the package and install it again. But now the li

Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: >Without, that is, installing every package in Debian. > >I'm curious, for instance, as to why emacs20 hasn't managed to be removed >yet. Presumably something depends on it. But I can't figure out what. sledge:~$ apt-cache showpkg emacs20 Package: emacs2

Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:33:52 -0500 Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Without, that is, installing every package in Debian. > > I'm curious, for instance, as to why emacs20 hasn't managed to be removed > yet. Presumably something depends on it. But I can't figure out what. apt-get remove --purge package

Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?

Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Without, that is, installing every package in Debian. > I'm curious, for instance, as to why emacs20 hasn't managed to be > removed yet. Presumably something depends on it. But I can't figure > out what. apt-cache rdepends -- Russ Allbery ([EMA

RE: How to find all reverse depends of a package?

Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Without, that is, installing every package in Debian. > > I'm curious, for instance, as to why emacs20 hasn't managed to be > removed yet. Presumably something depends on it. But I can't figure > out what. `apt-cache showpkg emacs20`

SANE compiling with patch for HP 4470c

Hi, I tried to compile the libsane package I downloaded via apt-get source to add support to my HP 4470c scanner (sources by Johannes Hub, http://home.foni.net/~johanneshub/). Unfortunately I don't know much about compiling and C programming but it seemed quite easy until I got the following er

Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 06:33:52PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Without, that is, installing every package in Debian. > > I'm curious, for instance, as to why emacs20 hasn't managed to be removed > yet. Presumably something depends on it. But I can't figure out what. > aptitude or deborpha

How to find all reverse depends of a package?

Without, that is, installing every package in Debian. I'm curious, for instance, as to why emacs20 hasn't managed to be removed yet. Presumably something depends on it. But I can't figure out what. -- Nathanael Nerode http://home.twcny.rr.com/nerode/neroden/fdl.html

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:26:31PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Op ma 17-11-2003, om 09:58 schreef Anthony Towns: > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 01:17:36AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > 4) People are volunteering to administer MIPS buildds. > > > > From what I've seen people are volunteerin

Bug#221386: general: addresses for "section coordinators"

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Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 23:02, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Actually, Adrian Bunk _was_ a Debian maintainer, but he retired; see > > . He actively chose to > > make these posts instead of trying to make things better from the inside. > > Actually, this articl

Re: longer Debian confession

also sprach Joerg Wendland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.11.17.1815 +0100]: > www.debian.org/success-stories ;-) cool shit. The requested URL /success-stories was not found on this server. question: could we make it be found? similar to /users, just longer? wishlist bug against www? -- Please do

Re: longer Debian confession

also sprach Anthony Towns [2003.11.17.1726 +0100]: > "testimonial" is the usual term -- "confessions" are usually about > things you're ashamed of, which hopefully they're not. yeah, i actually knew that. bloody associative memory. thanks. > Having some longer testimonials available sure sounds

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:29:52PM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:19:02PM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > Also, as an off-topic note, blank lines that contain tabs or spaces > > are Pure Evil(tm), especially in code. One of these days I should > > write a sed script to elimin

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 08:07:35PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:19:02PM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > > For personal pet projects, I use 2 spaces per nesting level. Some people > > think that's Pure Evil(tm), > > Most noteably perhaps, Linus Torvalds, although... >

Re: Re: Bug#209116: exim daemon does not restart after last two securityupgrades

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Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:19:02PM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > Also, as an off-topic note, blank lines that contain tabs or spaces > are Pure Evil(tm), especially in code. One of these days I should > write a sed script to eliminate all incarnations of this Pure Evil(tm) > from /usr/src. Python did

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

Scripsit Hamish Moffatt > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 01:27:33AM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > > Another possibility is that one only actually decides that one is > > willing to maintain the package in Debian after having *done* a > > workable first approximation to packaging and found no monsters >

Re: Debian Enterprise?

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:55:36 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 01:45:05AM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: >> Over the past week, my boss and I have had discussions about the niche >> left by RedHat, and the possibility of working on a >> distribution/sub-project aimed at enter

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:19:02PM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > For personal pet projects, I use 2 spaces per nesting level. Some people > think that's Pure Evil(tm), Most noteably perhaps, Linus Torvalds, although... >although I fully agree with you about wasting > screen real estate in 80 colu

Howto reconfigure alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-k6

I've installed alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-k6 but made a mistake when selecting the driver. So I tried dpkg-reconfigure alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-k6 but this doesn't show the driver list again! Okay getting dselect out, purge the package and install it again. But now the list isn't shown either. How do

RE: debian-installer beta 1

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > Just ditch the ataraid crap, the only use for it is to share raid arrays > with MS Windows. That was my point. So I can't ditch the ATARAID crap. Sorry.

Re: Debian Enterprise?

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 01:45:05AM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > Over the past week, my boss and I have had discussions about the niche > left by RedHat, and the possibility of working on a > distribution/sub-project aimed at enterprise folks. The plan is to target > those RedHat users and compan

Re: debian-installer beta 1

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Julian Mehnle wrote: > Is "md RAID" (I don't know this one) compatible with ATARAID in regard of > the partition/storage layout on disks, i.e. can I use ATARAID drivers to > access "md RAID" disks and vice versa? I need this kind of compatibility > since I dual-boot Windows 2

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:47:34AM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: [snip] > I have a love-hate relationship with the significant whitespace. I have a hate-hate relationship with it. I much prefer free-style syntax where the programmer is allowed to use his best judgment on how to indent the code. Of c

Re: Programming first steps.

Andrew M.A. Cater dijo [Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 11:00:14PM +]: > > (2) Perl or Python. This seems to be another divided camp. > > What are the capabilities of each? What are the applications of each? > > Perl - wherever you used to use a shell script, consider Perl. Perl > also has concepts from

Re: Programming first steps.

ma, 2003-11-17 kello 18:49, Steve Greenland kirjoitti: > To clarify: AFAICT, Python is perfectly happy with any sort of > indentation you choose, so long as it's consistent in any given block. > You want to use '', fine. Just don't try to mix it > with '' in the same block. This topic is rather of

Re: Bug#213450: bug #213450

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 03:14:49PM +1100, Brian May wrote: > Hello, > > There is a bug (actually a number of bugs now) against heimdal > that causes it to segfault under certain conditions. > > The bug has been reassigned to libcomerr2. > > It also has a simple one word patch. > > However, I ha

Bug#221303: ITP: kanjipad -- Handwriting recognition tool for Kanji

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Re: RFA: A lot of packages

Quoting Daniel Gubser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Am Sam, 2003-11-15 um 16.52 schrieb Andrés Roldán: > > I will make an upload today then. > > sorry to be so late but Christian Perrier made an upload for uptimed > today: YesAnd I want to point out that I really wonder why Daniel is not yet appoin

Re: Programming first steps.

On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 08:45:51PM +0800, David Palmer wrote: > Hello, > > I thought that I might make a beginning at learning. > I've searched the web, found information that goes beyond the definition > of plethora, so I thought that I'd ask here. > > (1) What is the best language to start with

Re: Is vrms really still a Virtual Richard M. Stallman?

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:04:00PM +0100, Roland Stigge wrote: > Andrew Lau wrote: > > So is vrms now up for a name change before the real RMS decides to sue > > us for misrepresenting him! = ) > > > > Nominations are now open. > debian-legalint I think this one, or a variation, has good prospec

Re: Debian Enterprise?

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:51:43 -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 01:45:05AM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > >> I can think of a few ways to offer the above. The first is a standalone >> distribution, based on debian but with various enhancements (not a novel >> idea, by any mea

Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:13:59PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > I believe that tabs aren't a problem with Python so long as they > really do indent to a multiple of 8 spaces. Editors which interpret > tabs differently are broken^W^W can cause problems when editing Python > code with tabs and sp

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Re: longer Debian confession

martin f krafft, on 2003-11-17, 16:15, you wrote: > They will not publish this text on their own webpage, so the only > way in which we can profit off this is if there is a place on > www.d.o to publish it. Is there? Or should I tell them that they > better spend their time doing other stuff (for D

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:10:54AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > It also means that, if it were easy to add some redundancy, > > it would already have happened. Which in turn means that it's hard. > > Again, read what I wrote, not what you imagine I wrote. Difficult isn't > the same as impossibl

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

> "GM" == GOTO Masanori <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: GM> At Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:22:37 +0900, GM> Kenshi Muto wrote: >> And this package is must be removed from only Woody (already >> fixed in Sarge/Sid): >> >> xfonts-intl-japanese-big (Bug#215371) GM> I think it's

Re: Programming first steps.

On 17-Nov-03, 09:13 (CST), Cameron Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 08:49:03AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > | As a long-time C coder, I agreed with you. But after doing a small > | python project, I was surprised at how quickly it became natural. It > | does help to

Re: Debian Enterprise?

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 01:45:05AM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > I can think of a few ways to offer the above. The first is a standalone > distribution, based on debian but with various enhancements (not a novel > idea, by any means). We could either base this on testing, doing snapshot > relea

Re: longer Debian confession

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 04:15:50PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > A company has asked me whether they [sc]hould write a longer > confession about their use of Debian, why they chose it, and how > their impressions are. "testimonial" is the usual term -- "confessions" are usually about things you

Re: longer Debian confession

on Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 04:15:50PM +0100, martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Dear all, > > A company has asked me whether they [sc]hould write a longer > confession about their use of Debian, why they chose it, and how > their impressions are. I asked them to submit a short text to > ww

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:48:00PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > It also means that, if it were easy to add some redundancy, > it would already have happened. Which in turn means that it's hard. On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 03:00:44PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: > > > This NIH attitude is really laughabl

Re: ftpmaster accepts packages that have been rejected a few days ago

On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 10:43:51AM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: > (for reference, I have commit access to dpkg, apt, and debbugs. this can > arguably be more important than accepting new packages into debian, as doing > something wrong with the above is very visible; ftpmaster is more of a hidden > th

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Dear all, A company has asked me whether they [sc]hould write a longer confession about their use of Debian, why they chose it, and how their impressions are. I asked them to submit a short text to www.d.o/users, but they would prefer to write an official statement, two pages or so. They will not

Re: Programming first steps.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 08:49:03AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: | On 17-Nov-03, 05:15 (CST), Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > I have one grudge against python, though: its mandated indentation looks | > very ugly and unstructured to me. Kinda reminds me of COBOL (and boy, do | > I h

Re: Programming first steps.

On 17-Nov-03, 05:15 (CST), Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have one grudge against python, though: its mandated indentation looks > very ugly and unstructured to me. Kinda reminds me of COBOL (and boy, do > I have nightmares of having to write COBOL code at school) As a long-time C

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:10:53PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > > It's been proven plenty of times that whenever we have task depend > > > > on a single person doing it, the lack of redundancy comes back and > > > > bites us in the ass whenever there's the slightest bit of a problem. > > > Why

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

* Andreas Metzler wrote: > Norbert Tretkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >> Unfortunately Adrian didn't wrote why he thinks backports aren't >> usable for production systems. The only real problem with backports >> I see is that there are no guaranted security updates. > > Imho the real pote

RE: debian-installer beta 1

Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Julian Mehnle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Is "md RAID" (I don't know this one) compatible with ATARAID in > > regard of the partition/storage layout on disks, i.e. can I use > > ATARAID drivers to access "md RAID" disks and vice versa? I need > > this kind of comp

Re: Programming first steps.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 03:27:29AM +0200, David Starner wrote: > Pascal is traditional, but is seriously a toy language with at least a dozen > different groups of compiler-specific extensions. Ada is my personal favorite, Sure but if you pick one compiler you can get some work done. It's quite a

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: >> Not quite. Ingo is volunteering to provide a MIPS buildd, but since he's >> not a Debian Developer, he can't handle its logs. Thus, he's asked me, > Its intresting to note that Debian trusts several NMs and normal users > to host and maintain their build

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:37:23PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:48:00PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > It's been proven plenty of times that whenever we have task depend on a > > > single person doing it, the lack of redundancy comes back and bites us in > > > the ass w

Re: Programming first steps.

Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have one grudge against python, though: its mandated indentation looks > very ugly and unstructured to me. Kinda reminds me of COBOL (and boy, do > I have nightmares of having to write COBOL code at school) Well, I often heared about this argument, b

Re: Bug#220930: ITP: unace -- De-archiver for .ace files

On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:28:31PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote: > On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 09:33, Cameron Patrick wrote: > > I'm a native English speaker and I don't believe I've ever heard the > > term de-archiver; its meaning is clear, but it sounds 'wrong'. The > > hyphen, especially, looks out of place

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:32:27AM +0100, Duck wrote: > When you find several ITPs filled more than 6 years ago and an official DD > "seems" not to mind about using the BTS properly, you may wonder about the > future of your prefered distribution. Eh? I think you are placing too much emphasis on

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:41:24PM +0100, Duck wrote: > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I did contact him, but you didn't. > > ... but none of this is essential. > > I fully disagree. > A good cooperation with upstream is really important to relay bugs, improve > the > software (b

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Re: Debian communication and attitude

On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 05:12:38PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > And even if the ITP is filed in time, you can work for the waste > basked since final ftpmaster approval can only be applied for after > all work is done. > > And there are many cases where Debian has said "no, we don't want your > pack

Re: debian-installer beta 1

"Julian Mehnle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Julian Mehnle wrote: > > > That would be great! At least if it means ATARAID-style > > > software RAID. No opinion about LVM-style RAID. > > > > Yuck (if by ATARAID you mean those PoS contr

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 01:27:33AM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > He could have posted his ITP sooner, too (unless in the unlikely event > > he actually made the package in a few minutes), but it's not such a big > > deal. > > Another possibility i

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Op ma 17-11-2003, om 09:58 schreef Anthony Towns: > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 01:17:36AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > 4) People are volunteering to administer MIPS buildds. > > > > From what I've seen people are volunteering to *provide* MIPS

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

Norbert Tretkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunately Adrian didn't wrote why he thinks backports aren't > usable for production systems. The only real problem with backports I > see is that there are no guaranted security updates. Er, you missed another big one, then: trust. Trusting the

Re: bug #213450

Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello, > > There is a bug (actually a number of bugs now) against heimdal > that causes it to segfault under certain conditions. > > The bug has been reassigned to libcomerr2. > > It also has a simple one word patch. > > However, I have not got any respo

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Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:48:00PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Since you're posting that as the DPL you're asking for the following > > reply. Sorry :) > > > > It's been proven plenty of times that whenever we have task depend on a > > single person doing it, the lack of redundancy comes back

RE: debian-installer beta 1

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Julian Mehnle wrote: > > That would be great! At least if it means ATARAID-style > > software RAID. No opinion about LVM-style RAID. > > Yuck (if by ATARAID you mean those PoS controllers from, e.g., Promise > -- these are slow as a snail

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