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On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 02:07:33PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> I think a third (or, after reading some replies to this same mail,
> fourth, fifth or nth) way could be used: Binary packages enter Sid as
> usual. Now, after the 10-day period, when they are ready to enter
> Testing, they are autobuilt
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On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 05:12, Russell Coker wrote:
> Hmm, maybe we could make it the rule that anything with number 99 can return
> before it's finished initialising?
If the point here is to "speed up boot" then I think it would suffice
to move the rc symlinks for those "leaf" services to somethin
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:55:00 -0500, John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 04:39:54PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> > The "must" in the new meaning is an accidental byproduct of
>> > conversion to the new language.
>>
>> Accidental or not, it has been an established
On Oct 21, Andrew Pollock ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 06:08:27PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Sure, sure.
> >
> > Just give me one real world reason why it is not good to build in an
> > artificial environment like you call it (either pbuilder or an
> > autobuilder)
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:08, Thomas Hood wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 02:44, Russell Coker wrote:
> > Surely if a daemon takes a long time before it detaches from it's
> > terminal and "goes daemon", then you can have a parent process put it in
> > the background and direct it's output to some conv
On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 02:44, Russell Coker wrote:
> Surely if a daemon takes a long time before it detaches from it's terminal
> and
> "goes daemon", then you can have a parent process put it in the background
> and direct it's output to some convenient log file.
System V initscripts must not r
Matt Zimmerman writes:
> This premise assumes that only developers use unstable, and in my
> experience this is very far from the truth.
It is true that some packages go into testing without having been tested on
all platforms.
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On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 02:07:33PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> I think a third (or, after reading some replies to this same mail,
> fourth, fifth or nth) way could be used: Binary packages enter Sid as
> usual. Now, after the 10-day period, when they are ready to enter
> Testing, they are autobuilt
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 09:52:14AM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 02:17:40PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > If a broken package is not noticed in unstable, the package must not be
> > particularly important to anyone.
>
> I disagree.
>
> 1. A package may not be important to
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:13, Mark Ferlatte wrote:
> I suspect that the improvement would be _very_ system dependent, though.
> For example, netatalk takes a _long_ time to start, and parallelizing would
> be a benefit. sendmail can take a while too, especially if you have DNS
> issues at boot time.
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 02:17:40PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > c) The package is uploaded from the real-world environment where it works,
> > built on the architecture 99% of the users have. The breakage in the
> > other architectures' autobuilt packages is not noticed until after Sarge,
> > a
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On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 06:08:27PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> Sure, sure.
>
> Just give me one real world reason why it is not good to build in an
> artificial environment like you call it (either pbuilder or an
> autobuilder) and i will go away, as you say.
Yes, please do. I've been following t
John Hasler dijo [Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:25:45PM -0500]:
> Gunnar Wolf writes:
> > I think a third (or, after reading some replies to this same mail,
> > fourth, fifth or nth) way could be used: Binary packages enter Sid as
> > usual. Now, after the 10-day period, when they are ready to enter
> >
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 01:14:59PM -0200, Leonardo Dias wrote:
> That would be nice. And it would be incredibly nice if it were in Sao
> Paulo, near the Paulista Avenue.
I thought the idea was porto alegre...
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On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:03:03AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> A Malicious maintainer has installed a version of libc or whatever on
> his system that opens the way to a security hole.
Because, of course, a malicious buildd admin or member of the Debian
Security Team is a flat impossibility, as is
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:06:14PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
> On 20-Oct-03, 13:22 (CDT), Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What font does the program use by default? I would Depend on that one.
>
> If it's an X program, then it shouldn't Depend on any font, as they may
> be on
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Gunnar Wolf writes:
> I think a third (or, after reading some replies to this same mail,
> fourth, fifth or nth) way could be used: Binary packages enter Sid as
> usual. Now, after the 10-day period, when they are ready to enter
> Testing, they are autobuilt. Only the autobuilt version hits Testing
On 20-Oct-03, 13:22 (CDT), Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 07:15:47PM +0200, Alexander Sack wrote:
>
> > what Depends are best to guarantee that after package installation at
> > least one True Type font package is installed??
> > Should I add a best guess font
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> Or hold them back until at least one autobuild succeeds.
Wouter Verhelst writes:
> You're going to have to explain this one to me. You want to hold them
> back (not try to build them) until one build succeeds?
Hold back the maintainer's binary upload until at least one autobuild
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> am not able to
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Andrew Suffield dijo [Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 07:57:20AM +0100]:
> So, we have two scenarios. Let the package be broken in such a way
> that it builds differently on different platforms.
>
> a) All packages uploaded to the archive are built in an artifical
> environment. All packages in the archive f
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Dear Sir,
I am Srikanta Prasanna from Bangalore
(India) doing my final year Degree. I recently installed Debian (Knoppix
3.2) on my system (P4, 2Ghz, 845 GLAD Intel motherboard). I am not able to
find a driver for my motherboard (the audio is not dete
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 07:15:47PM +0200, Alexander Sack wrote:
> what Depends are best to guarantee that after package installation at
> least one True Type font package is installed??
> Should I add a best guess font package or is there a kind of meta
> package available for ttf packages?
What
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:51:20AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> c) The package is uploaded from the real-world environment where it works,
> built on the architecture 99% of the users have. The breakage in the
> other architectures' autobuilt packages is not noticed until after Sarge,
> and/or
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:40:25PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Oct 19, Norbert Tretkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> http://www.bofh.it/~md/debian/
> >Any plans for an upload to unstable?
> I'd like to know first if it works or not and how much useful it is in
> its current form, as
Robert Giardalas said on Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 11:55:52PM -0400:
> I had some preliminary modifications of the parallel loading system
> proposed by James Hunt from IBM working for Debian, but it looked like
> it would speed things up less than 10%, which wasn't enough to lure me
> away from SysV
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:13:22PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > > b) The package is uploaded from real-world environments. Sometimes it
> > > breaks; when this happens the bug is noticed and corrected, so that
> > > the package always builds
Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Oct 19, Norbert Tretkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> http://www.bofh.it/~md/debian/
> >Any plans for an upload to unstable?
> I'd like to know first if it works or not and how much useful it is in
> its current form, as I currently do not ow
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 08:01:08AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Goswin writes:
> > So far the best suggestion for this problem I have heart was to allow
> > (require) binary uploads but to hold them back and autobuild everything
> > for all archs.
>
> Or hold them back until at least one autobuild
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 04:39:54PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > The "must" in the new meaning is an accidental byproduct of
> > conversion to the new language.
>
> Accidental or not, it has been an established part of the
> infrastructure for the whole life of ./debian/rules conventio
Steve McIntyre, on 2003-10-20, 15:42, you wrote:
> Ah, OK. For some reason I was expecting it to be in July. Having my
> 30th birthday in Brazil sounds like a cool idea...
So you'll be inviting us to your birthday party in Brazil? When you
charter that plane you'll even get a birthday present fro
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what Depends are best to guarantee that after package installation at
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Should I add a best guess font package or is there a kind of meta
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:13:49AM +0900, Tatsuya Kinoshita wrote:
> With the perl 5.8.1 package, the line input operator (<>) causes
> "Bad file descriptor". This problem is reproducible by the
> following sample code.
>
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> $file = "/etc/debian_version";
> open(FH, $fil
Hi,
Am So, den 19.10.2003 schrieb Andrew Suffield um 21:08:
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 05:57:55PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> The proposal was "All packages should be built in an artificial
> environment of this form". I have pointed out that this is a
> braindamaged idea.
Well, any maintainer tha
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On October 4, 2003 at 2:06PM +0900,
Tatsuya Kinoshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On October 4, 2003 at 12:59PM +0900,
> Kenshi Muto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I found `imput' didn't wor
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:24:54PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:55:40AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Seriously, i perfectly understood what you are proposing, and i think
> > you don't realize the things involved for making such a proposal. Think
> > about it seriousl
Henning Makholm wrote:
Scripsit Agustin Martin Domingo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Last time I read about that, if is byte compiled it should depend on
virtual package 'emacsen' (provided by all emacs flavours), since
otherwise emacs-package-install failed if no emacsen was installed.
If that is true, s
That would be nice. And it would be incredibly nice if it were in Sao
Paulo, near the Paulista Avenue.
A real-time pic of it can be seen here:
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There's transportation for everyone and the place is full of Debian
users. :)
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On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:42:03PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 12:25:02AM +1000, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> >* Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-10-20 14:50]:
> >> There's not been much discussion of this since the initial
> >> proposal. Are we planning on doing it
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:31:10 +, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Oct 19, Norbert Tretkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> http://www.bofh.it/~md/debian/
> >Any plans for an upload to unstable?
> I'd like to know first if it works or not and how much useful it is in
> its current form, as I curr
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 12:25:02AM +1000, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
>* Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-10-20 14:50]:
>> There's not been much discussion of this since the initial
>> proposal. Are we planning on doing it or not?
>
>Yes, Brazil is still the plan. There's also a mailing list a
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:24:19AM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:15:17AM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 08:15:43PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 01:20:39PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote:
> > > Other people have cov
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:55:40AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> Seriously, i perfectly understood what you are proposing, and i think
> you don't realize the things involved for making such a proposal. Think
> about it seriously, and you will see why your proposal is not a good
> idea.
FUD. Go away
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:13:22PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > b) The package is uploaded from real-world environments. Sometimes it
> > breaks; when this happens the bug is noticed and corrected, so that
> > the package always builds the same way.
>
> Why would it ever be noticed? That
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On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:51:20AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Hi, Andrew Suffield wrote:
>
> > a) All packages uploaded to the archive are built in an artifical
> > environment. All packages in the archive function as expected.
> >
> > b) The package is uploaded from real-world environments
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* Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-10-20 14:50]:
> There's not been much discussion of this since the initial
> proposal. Are we planning on doing it or not?
Yes, Brazil is still the plan. There's also a mailing list at
http://listas.cipsga.org.br/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debconf4
The cu
There's not been much discussion of this since the initial
proposal. Are we planning on doing it or not?
I remember that one of the big sticking points for people was the cost
of flights. I'm investigating now roughly how much it would cost to
charter a plane from Europe for the trip, to see if th
Goswin writes:
> So far the best suggestion for this problem I have heart was to allow
> (require) binary uploads but to hold them back and autobuild everything
> for all archs.
Or hold them back until at least one autobuild succeeds.
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On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 02:28:31PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> We might be more successful in resolving the issue if some people stopped
> thinking of it as an ad hominem flamewar. :p
Especially since Wichert don't bother playing :(
> > > The interface to the rules file is defined well enough,
>
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 01:06:30AM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
> Summary of the auction so far:
>
> Steve bet on Manoj and Josip on Wichert.
>
> Deuce.
We might be more successful in resolving the issue if some people stopped
thinking of it as an ad hominem flamewar. :p
> > The interface to th
Hi,
what if we stick to our principle "the maintainer knows best" and
provide the infrastructure for source only uploads, but leave it to the
maintainer whether he wants to do so. Some here think buildd'ed packages
are better, some think their building the packages themselves is better.
So just th
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:57:06AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:52:51PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > Op ma 20-10-2003, om 12:11 schreef Sven Luther:
> > > Yes, i will add it to the policy and document it. It will not help for
> > > the current setup, unless we throw
On Oct 19, Norbert Tretkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> http://www.bofh.it/~md/debian/
>Any plans for an upload to unstable?
I'd like to know first if it works or not and how much useful it is in
its current form, as I currently do not own any hot-pluggable device and
cannot test it.
--
ci
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:52:51PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> Op ma 20-10-2003, om 12:11 schreef Sven Luther:
> > Yes, i will add it to the policy and document it. It will not help for
> > the current setup, unless we throw out the current mini-freeze, and
> > restart everything.
>
> As said,
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:52:51PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> Op ma 20-10-2003, om 12:11 schreef Sven Luther:
> > Yes, i will add it to the policy and document it. It will not help for
> > the current setup, unless we throw out the current mini-freeze, and
> > restart everything.
>
> As said,
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Op ma 20-10-2003, om 12:11 schreef Sven Luther:
> Yes, i will add it to the policy and document it. It will not help for
> the current setup, unless we throw out the current mini-freeze, and
> restart everything.
As said, I'll monitor the ocaml packages so that your current
mini-freeze will work.
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:18:18PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 10:13:06PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > These all boil down to the same problem: ocaml was upgraded to
> > > ocaml-3.07, while the packages that were
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:26:26AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > Yes. Adding explicit (>> version) build dependency to the libraries will
> > help there. I will add this to the debian/ocaml policy.
>
> If you'll do that, there will not be need for m68k maintainers to be
> notified about this..
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 10:13:06PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > These all boil down to the same problem: ocaml was upgraded to
> > ocaml-3.07, while the packages that were available at the time depended
> > on ocaml-3.06-1. Since that doesn't exist an
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 09:39:54AM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> So, we have two scenarios. Let the package be broken in such a way
> that it builds differently on different platforms.
>
> a) All packages uploaded to the archive are built in an artifical
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:57:04AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > Ideally, it could be automated, by delaying the build
> > of these packages by one day, and it would be fine.
>
> That's an option, although imperfect since it assumes that all
> architectures will always build all packages withi
Op ma 20-10-2003, om 11:13 schreef Sven Luther:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:57:04AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > Ideally, it could be automated, by delaying the build
> > > of these packages by one day, and it would be fine.
> >
> > That's an option, although imperfect since it assumes tha
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 07:57:20AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 09:39:54AM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 08:08:11PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > > > And you also volunteer to replace the autobuilders and build _every_
> > > > package out there b
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 08:08:11PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 05:57:55PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 09:39:05PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 03:32:41PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > > > Its good for the a
Hi, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> a) All packages uploaded to the archive are built in an artifical
> environment. All packages in the archive function as expected.
>
> b) The package is uploaded from real-world environments. Sometimes it
> breaks; when this happens the bug is noticed and corrected, s
Op ma 20-10-2003, om 09:07 schreef Sven Luther:
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 10:13:06PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > These all boil down to the same problem: ocaml was upgraded to
> > ocaml-3.07, while the packages that were available at the time depended
> > on ocaml-3.06-1. Since that doesn't e
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:15:17AM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 08:15:43PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 01:20:39PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote:
> > Other people have covered why this breaks. Here's the solution I use:
> >
> > Make your buil
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 10:13:06PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> Op zo 19-10-2003, om 20:04 schreef Sven Luther:
> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:15:40PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > Op zo 19-10-2003, om 10:44 schreef Stefano Zacchiroli:
> > > > I've never understood which is the right/polit
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 09:39:54AM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 08:08:11PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > > And you also volunteer to replace the autobuilders and build _every_
> > > package out there by hand on _every_ architecture ?
> > >
> > > Have you seriously thought
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:15:17AM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote:
> What needs to happen to get this into policy?
The usual - see /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/policy-process.html
(or .txt.gz or .sgml.gz) for details.
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On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 03:13:23AM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote:
> I still need to get KDE 3.1.4 into sid and stablized. I hope for it to
> be ready to migrate into sarge by Oct 20 (including the 10 day wait
> time). From what Colin Watson mentioned to me earlier today there are
> some other packages
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 08:15:43PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 01:20:39PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote:
> > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 09:51, Adam Conrad wrote:
> >
> > > Package: libtool
> > > Version: 1.5-3
> > > Severity: serious
> > >
> > > libtool fails to build fr
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