On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 10:20:36PM -0600, Adam Conrad wrote:
> Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> >
> > That sounds backwards. "Component" is the one recognized by apt, and
> > (naturally) the one used by official Release files in the
> > Debian archive.
>
> "Components: updates/main updates/contrib upda
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
>
> That sounds backwards. "Component" is the one recognized by apt, and
> (naturally) the one used by official Release files in the
> Debian archive.
"Components: updates/main updates/contrib updates/non-free" [1]
... Adam
[1] http://klecker.debian.org/debian-security/d
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Daniel B. wrote:
> Per the The American Heritage Dictionary (via
> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dependency), a dependency
> is:
> ...
> 2. Something dependent or subordinate.
> ...
>
> That is, if A depends on B, A is a dependency of B. (B is not a
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:12:26 -0400, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 06:36:25PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 May 2003 20:32:05 -0400, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> said:
>> > dh-kpatches provides a dependency/ordering facility which has
>>
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On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 06:36:25PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2003 20:32:05 -0400, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > dh-kpatches provides a dependency/ordering facility which has worked
> > well for me in my packages. It also provides
> > /usr/share/doc/kernel-ima
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On Sun, 18 May 2003 20:32:05 -0400, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 12:06:21PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> There is also a mechanism to order the order in which
>> kernel-patches are applied -- so if, say, a m68k kernel image
>> maintainer wanted to create
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 03:53:00PM -0700, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote:
> In my looking I check'd out http.us.debian.org, debian.seabone.net and
> security.debian.org... The IPv6 repository was the one in question that
> used "Component" while the others used the plural version... Although
> obviou
> This seems like a lot of argument over avoiding putting six more words
> into the changelog file giving information that the maintainer clearly
> already has (since otherwise they wouldn't know that they could close the
> bug), and which is obviously useful for users.
Hear, hear.
You can't te
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In looking to try and setup pinning on a couple of my machines I went
looking at the Release files for the various sites I use... For the most
part I found them to have a similar suite of attributes to work from but
I did notice a difference betwen "Components" and "Component" and just
tryi
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 11:01:51PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> Debian seems to have problems with certain firmware images. Note that the
> way it's removed in kernel-source is rather useless to meet DFSG as it's
> a) still in the orig.tar.gz and b) many of the arch kernel patches back
> out
HI,
I have no issue how you ship debian kernel :-)
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 09:41:41PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> I've got a few points for you:
>
> * The vanilla kernel source is readily available:
good.
> apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.22 kernel-patch-debian-2.4.22
> tar xjf /usr/src/kern
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Debian seems to use the word "dependency" backwards a lot, making
things confusing and hard to understand.
Per the The American Heritage Dictionary (via
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dependency), a dependency
is:
1. Dependence.
2. Something depen
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
>
> reassign 212028 general
> thanks
>
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 03:36:03PM -0400, Daniel B. wrote:
>
> > apt-cache and its manual page uses the word "dependency" backwards.
> > This error makes the documentation hard to understand.
>
> apt's documentation is consistent wi
also sprach Christoph Hellwig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.21.2301 +0200]:
> So you're maintaining a kernelpatch for debian that has sever security
> implication but you don't know enough about it and the code it touches
> to do some forward porting?
I know enough about it; I don't (yet) know enou
Hi,
Flame aside ... let's look at technical side.
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 02:44:03PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.21.1341 +0200]:
> > * The vanilla kernel source is readily available:
>
> I don't consider this readily available. It's faster
Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Why a bug wa gixed is obvious, because it was a bug.
> - XXX does nt delete temp file
> - Fixed in new upstream release
> I mean, hell this is not hard to understand.
That's great if I knew what the bug was. You seem to be assuming that the
only pe
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 09:11:29PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> Also, please explain: how is the normal kernel not DFSG but
> a derived version is?
See the bottom of /usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.4.22/README.Debian.gz
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On Sunday 21 September 2003 23:10, Remi Vanicat wrote:
> Why use epoch ? 1.4.0.20030921-1 should work (or am i missing something
> here ?)
>
> epoch should only be used when needed...
and it is... since current mozilla package version is 2:1.4-4
Mike
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Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If the snaphots are betas for version 1.5, the solution is to give it
> a version number like 2:1.4.20030921-1, so that whenever 1.5 is
> officially released you can upload it to unstable as 2:1.5-1.
>
> [ If the snapshots are betas for 1.4.1, use 2:1.4.
Le Dimanche 21 Septembre 2003 22:12, Santiago Vila a écrit :
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, jjluza wrote:
> > I read this :
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/
> > debian-devel-announce-200308/msg00010.html
> >
> > So we should put development packages (like cvs snapshot) in
> > experim
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On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 10:46:28PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Sep 21, Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Rüdiger Kuhlmann wrote:
> >> Another bug I noticed is that in the ru_RU.UTF-8 locale, man won't
> >> find the man pages under ru_RU.KOI8-R.
> >Hm. Yes, that is a bug (although no
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 10:01:40PM +0200, jjluza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard
to say:
> Le Dimanche 21 Septembre 2003 20:14, Simon Law a écrit :
> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 08:09:57PM +0200, jjluza wrote:
> > > The announcement tells we should get out "-snapshot" from the name of
> > > the packag
On Sep 21, Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Another bug I noticed is that in the ru_RU.UTF-8 locale, man won't
>> find the man pages under ru_RU.KOI8-R.
>Hm. Yes, that is a bug (although not a regression; I think man-db
>2.4.1
>behaved the same way). I wonder how to solve that corre
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 09:11:29PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> > Why would you have to remove features? I routinely modify my patch packages
> > to apply to Debian kernel source, and this has never required removing a
> > feature.
>
> Because maybe you are a kernel hacker and have a clue. Whi
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, jjluza wrote:
> I read this :
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/
> debian-devel-announce-200308/msg00010.html
>
> So we should put development packages (like cvs snapshot) in experimental, not
> in unstable. But there is a problem, and I don't find any solut
Le Dimanche 21 Septembre 2003 20:14, Simon Law a écrit :
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 08:09:57PM +0200, jjluza wrote:
> > The announcement tells we should get out "-snapshot" from the name of
> > the package, before puting it in experimental. So there is no
> > difference in the package name anymore.
also sprach Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.21.2035 +0200]:
> Er...what 2.4 kernel are you talking about? That doesn't sound
> like Linux 2.4 at all.
With respect to Debian packaging, it should. The fact that Linux
2.4 kernels osciallate features is irrelevant in this discussion,
beca
also sprach Martin-?ric Racine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.21.1931 +0200]:
> I might as well download the upstream tarball from kernel.org
> myself and then make my own debian/ folder!
No need. make-kpkg will create it.
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also sprach Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.21.1857 +0200]:
> So, I'm curious why you chose to make it a part of the Debian
> kernel source, rather than a separate patch (kernel-patch-ipsec or
> such).
Thanks, this is indeed the right questions.
And so is this:
> I suppose the more f
On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 02:04:55AM +0200, Domenico Andreoli wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 04:19:55PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> > Hello,
> > Am I having network problems or is ftp-master down?
> >cu andreas
> >
> it's up for me, but its key seems to be changed.
Auric and Vore
also sprach Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.21.1906 +0200]:
> Why would you have to remove features? I routinely modify my patch packages
> to apply to Debian kernel source, and this has never required removing a
> feature.
Because maybe you are a kernel hacker and have a clue. While
Martin Michlmayr wrote:
* martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-09-21 14:44]:
What you distribute as 2.4.22 is not 2.4.22.
So what? Most packages in Debian devate from upstream in one way or
another. That's the added value we provide. I'm happy that Herbert
carefully selects what to backpor
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 05:45:54PM +0200, Sylvain LE GALL wrote:
> * Package name: libcamomile-ocaml-dev
You should check carefully licensing issues of some unicode stuff
distributed inside the camomile tarball.
I've already had a chat with the author about that issue, I told me that
he shoul
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 08:31:36PM +0300, Martin-?ric Racine wrote:
> The whole point of having a stable branch (currently 2.4) is to guarantee that
> people can have a _reliable_ kernel that they can trust will:
>
> 1) Behave in a predictable way that is consistant with previous releases from
>
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 08:09:57PM +0200, jjluza wrote:
> The announcement tells we should get out "-snapshot" from the name of
> the package, before puting it in experimental. So there is no
> difference in the package name anymore. So now, since cvs package
> version is 0.0.date, apt always ask
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kernels!
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, martin f krafft wrote:
> I have uploaded a new version of grsecurity. However, it won't support
> Debian kernels 2.4.20 and up. README.2.4.2x in the package will tell you
> why. In additio
Hi all,
I read this :
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/
debian-devel-announce-200308/msg00010.html
So we should put development packages (like cvs snapshot) in experimental, not
in unstable. But there is a problem, and I don't find any solution to solve
it. For example, let's
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 07:09:55PM +0200, Sebastian wrote:
> Thus, while I really like the "stability" of woody, I frequently need
> kernel updates. This means that the kernel packages don't really fit into
> Debian's concept of "stable" and "unstable".
Debian's concept of "stable" and "unstable"
I have been following the discussion and just want to add some things
from a user's point of view:
1.
I appreciate the additional functionality and included bug fixes of the
Debian kernels, but in the end I often have to use the vanilla kernel,
because most patches - like grsecurity - don't apply
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 12:44:59PM -0400, Lukas Geyer wrote:
> Ha, the Australians want American kids to read sentences like "Fred
> and I managed to keep our peckers up somehow."
At least from puberty until middle age, that doesn't seem too impressive
a feat for most males...
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On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 11:55:37AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> Simply saying that the bug was fixed in the new upstream release doesn't
> tell the user why
Why a bug wa gixed is obvious, because it was a bug.
- XXX does nt delete temp file
- Fixed in new upstream release
I mean, hell this is not
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On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 09:00:03PM -0500, Craig P. Steffen wrote:
> I am prospective DD; as one of my opening packages, I intend to adopt the
> sound file editor xwave. One of the bugs against it, 170005, says that
> depending on the virtual package "libxaw-dev" is wrong.
>
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 12:07:18AM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> Also there's the issue of whether we should try to have one kernel source
> tree that everything applies to. I think that perhaps we should have
> options as to which tree things apply to. So we can have kernel patches
> to apply a
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 03:54:15PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> I run vanilla sources anyhow, so I am not too concerned as a user. But as
> a maintainer of a kernel patch, I am not willing to modify the source to
> make it fit the inofficial kernel Debian provides. If I were to do so, I'd
> ha
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 09:41:41PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> I've got a few points for you:
>
> * The vanilla kernel source is readily available:
>
> apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.22 kernel-patch-debian-2.4.22
> tar xjf /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.22.tar.bz2
> cd kernel-source-2.4.22
> /usr/
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 12:07:18AM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> Bad analogy. Consider the way that the Harry Potter books have been modified
> for the limited vocabulary of the American audience.
You mean they were even worse before they were published in the US? Hard
to believe.
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Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Bad analogy. Consider the way that the Harry Potter books have been
> modified for the limited vocabulary of the American audience.
Ha, the Australians want American kids to read sentences like "Fred
and I managed to keep our peckers up somehow." (In t
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 01:07:20PM +0200, JL wrote:
> Would it be possible (if a sensible question at all) to include a
> feature into apt wich generates an /etc/apt/preferences.db file wich
> would include any information required to build the preferences file ?
I do not understand your question
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 02:56:35AM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 05:38:50PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
> > > As far as the BTS is concerned, it is irrelevant how a bug is fixed.
> >
> > Wrong. The BTS is a front-end to users. When bugs are closed, the
> > submitter(a norma
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 11:00:14AM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote:
> On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 10:21, Herbert Xu wrote:
> > The only disagreement is with what to do with upstream changes that
> > happen to close Debian bugs.
>
> Is there any chance of everyone agreeing to leave it up to the
> maintainer to
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On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 04:18:10PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I think I do understand your position; I simply disagree. I feel that
> > changes which close Debian bugs should be documented in debian/changelog
> > whether or not they are Debian-spe
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Andi writes:
> I hope that you're joking. (Well, I fear that you're not.)
It's not the American audience that has the limited vocabulary. It's the
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also sprach Domenico Andreoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.21.1647 +0200]:
> which features should be removed from grsec in order to make it
> patch the debian kernel?
IP randomisation, and there might well me more. This is where
I stopped.
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also sprach Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.21.1644 +0200]:
> This is very standard practice for distribution kernels. It's
> fairly rare for users to notice negative effects and the positive
> effects (better hardware support, more features, better
> performance or what have we) are gener
also sprach Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.21.1614 +0200]:
> >FWIW, I basically agree. "goodies" are welcome, but backporting
> >things from the unstable branch migh= t not be that good idea.
>
> Should we stop shipping security fixes backported from development
> code?
It always de
* Russell Coker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030921 16:41]:
> Bad analogy. Consider the way that the Harry Potter books have been modified
> for the limited vocabulary of the American audience.
I hope that you're joking. (Well, I fear that you're not.)
Cheers,
Andi
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