Re: IMPORTANT: your message to html-tidy

2003-09-09 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:50:51 +0200 "Julian Mehnle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, you can't make such a general statement that using content-based filters > is "better" than using DNS RBLs. It wholly depends on the listing policy of > the RBL, and in most cases, content-based filters will be the

Re: installer for non-free packages in contrib

2003-09-09 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003, Colin Watson wrote: > > It could be something like debian/track where 'track' is a list of files > > to be tracked by this package as if they were contained within it when > > it was built (even though they are actually downloaded during the package's > > postinst or by anoth

Re: IMPORTANT: your message to html-tidy

2003-09-09 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 07:49:36 +0100 > It's the same sort of thinking that's causing no end of trouble for people > trying to communicate with AOL users: > http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=96264 > http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/04/13/2215207.shtml?tid=120 I've g

Re: gcc stops migration to testing?

2003-09-09 Thread Artur R. Czechowski
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 01:55:14PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > Artur R. Czechowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have no gcc dependencies neither build-deps. > On i386. > Check e.g. the binaries on arm, one of them (or its dependencies) > probably depends on libgcc1. Thanks for hint. Probabl

Re: gcc stops migration to testing?

2003-09-09 Thread Andreas Metzler
Artur R. Czechowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Could you enlight me where "Depends: php4-rrdtool gcc-3.3 (not considered)" > comes from on http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/php4-rrdtool.html? > I have no gcc dependencies neither build-deps. On i386. Check e.g. the binaries on arm, one of them (or

Re: installer for non-free packages in contrib

2003-09-09 Thread Andreas Metzler
Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : >> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 09:17:13AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: >> > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapot? : >> > > I asked you a question which could be answered quite simply by producing >> > > one of those w

Re: installer for non-free packages in contrib

2003-09-09 Thread Mathieu Roy
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 09:17:13AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: > > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapot? : > > > I asked you a question which could be answered quite simply by producing > > > one of those ways. Go on. It's my honest belief that it ca

gcc stops migration to testing?

2003-09-09 Thread Artur R. Czechowski
Hello, Could you enlight me where "Depends: php4-rrdtool gcc-3.3 (not considered)" comes from on http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/php4-rrdtool.html? I have no gcc dependencies neither build-deps. Cheers Artur -- szybszy niz najwyzszy budynek... inteligentniejszy od kuli w locie...

RE: IMPORTANT: your message to html-tidy

2003-09-09 Thread Julian Mehnle
Karsten M. Self wrote: > [Using DNS RBLs to block spam is bad.] > As many people have noted, for pretty much _any_ > given IP, your odds are good that most of the mail received from it is > spam. It doesn't do much for the legit mail that comes through. Given > that we now _do_ have good content

Re: music sheet

2003-09-09 Thread Ismael Valladolid Torres
El lunes, 8 de septiembre de 2003, a las 18:55, Jim Penny escribe: > The problem, amazingly enough, is that he did google for "dueling > banjos sheet music", and Debian is the number one and number two hit! Does anybody know, when the next stable release for Debian, will be "Deliveranced"? Maybe

translations and the ddtp

2003-09-09 Thread Martin Quinson
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 11:21:18AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Op vr 05-09-2003, om 09:16 schreef Martin Quinson: > > On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 10:44:08PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 07:15:57AM +0200, Martin Godisch wrote: > > > > Are these actually used somewhere? If

Re: installer for non-free packages in contrib

2003-09-09 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 12:37:04AM -0500, Ryan Underwood wrote: > On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:13:59AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:35:45AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: > > > Would it be acceptable to fill a bug against each installer that do > > > not build a proper debian

Re: installer for non-free packages in contrib

2003-09-09 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 01:24:07AM -0600, Bruce Sass wrote: > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Colin Watson wrote: > > * installs that package in such a way that it's registered in dpkg's > > database > > do the install in the background when the dpkg DB area is unlocked Yuck! Please, no! Error handling

Re: installer for non-free packages in contrib

2003-09-09 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 09:17:13AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapot? : > > I asked you a question which could be answered quite simply by producing > > one of those ways. Go on. It's my honest belief that it can't be done > > correctly; I'm open to hearing ways i

Re: /etc/shells management

2003-09-09 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 11:18:44PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Colin Watson wrote: > > Adam Heath wrote: > > > Guido Guenther wrote: > > > > Just of out curiosity, is this in any way different from the shorter: > > > > if [ "$var" ]; then > > > > > > var="-f" > > > > Have you tried that? No POSIX

Re: music sheet

2003-09-09 Thread Richard Atterer
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 10:41:14AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > why dont we just put up a page on www.debian.org with the requested sheet > music (or, if it's copyrighted then appropriate links to sites where it > can be found). FWIW, I always enjoy it when it comes up again. Maybe I should start

Re: autoconf and setting prefix

2003-09-09 Thread Miles Bader
Oliver Kurth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Specifying prefix on the make command line should work and not try to > > install to /usr (though he appears to be using it incorrectly so > > probably won't get what he wants). > > Using prefix is dangerous, because it may be compiled into the code or

Re: Need help on enhancing Telnet with srp

2003-09-09 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:53, Marc Singer wrote: > Tar said, I am not sure that what you want to do is possible with > Telnet as the telnet protocol is content-free. That is to say that it > has no knowledge of when the user is sending a password and when the > user is sending some other type of data.

Re: Bug#208508: bitmap vectorizers

2003-09-09 Thread Bartosz Feński aka fEnIo
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 08:46:53PM +0200, Artur R. Czechowski wrote: > [ note: I have no interests in denying any of those packages, there is ] > [ a result of digging through wnpp bugs] > > Hello, > There are two packages looking similar: > #206859: O: autotrace --

Re: autoconf and setting prefix

2003-09-09 Thread Oliver Kurth
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 10:45:15AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > James Michael Greenhalgh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > (cd build && $(MAKE) install prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/gcc4arm/usr) > > > > Dunno about 'prefix=' ... I've always used 'DESTDIR='? > > Specifying prefix on the make command line

Re: unrebuildable ruby packages (Re: ruby-defaults 1.8.0)

2003-09-09 Thread Dmitry Borodaenko
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 05:35:35PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > RUBY_LINK=`ruby -rrbconfig -e 'puts Config::CONFIG["LIBRUBYARG_SHARED"]n'` > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>ruby -rrbconfig -e 'puts > Config::CONFIG["LIBRUBYARG_SHARED"]' > nil > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>ruby -v > rub

Re: installer for non-free packages in contrib

2003-09-09 Thread Bruce Sass
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Colin Watson wrote: > OK. How does one create an installer package which correctly does the > following: > > * creates a Debian package for the thing it's installing the installer contains a diff and dsc, downloads the orig source, then builds a .deb > * installs that pack

Re: installer for non-free packages in contrib

2003-09-09 Thread Mathieu Roy
Ryan Underwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > Hi, > > On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:13:59AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:35:45AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: > > > Would it be acceptable to fill a bug against each installer that do > > > not build a proper debian package

Re: installer for non-free packages in contrib

2003-09-09 Thread Mathieu Roy
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > > At this point, the question is not how to do it. I can think about 30 > > ways to do it, while I'm surely not the expert here. > > I asked you a question which could be answered quite simply by producing > one of those ways. Go on. It's my honest be

Re: installer for non-free packages in contrib

2003-09-09 Thread Andreas Metzler
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > unless you think that it's better for the installer package to spit > out a .deb somewhere which you then have to install separately, > which seems to me like a step backwards in convenience. Depends, generating a deb has some bright sides: 'dpkg -S'

Re: Need help on enhancing Telnet with srp

2003-09-09 Thread Marc Singer
Firstly, this isn't really the right place to ask this kind of question as this list is for maintainers of packages for the Debian distributions. Tar said, I am not sure that what you want to do is possible with Telnet as the telnet protocol is content-free. That is to say that it has no knowle

Re: IMPORTANT: your message to html-tidy

2003-09-09 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 11:07:39AM +1000, Craig Sanders ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 11:09:57PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:40:15 +1000 > > Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 06:04:39AM +0100, Karsten M. Self wrote

Re: installer for non-free packages in contrib

2003-09-09 Thread Ryan Underwood
Hi, On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:13:59AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:35:45AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: > > Would it be acceptable to fill a bug against each installer that do > > not build a proper debian package when installing non-free software? > > How can they do so

Re: /etc/shells management

2003-09-09 Thread Bob Proulx
Colin Watson wrote: > Adam Heath wrote: > > Guido Guenther wrote: > > > Just of out curiosity, is this in any way different from the shorter: > > > if [ "$var" ]; then > > var="-f" > Have you tried that? No POSIX shell will have a problem. You are confusing standards with portability. They are no