ITP: libtext-charwidth-perl, libtext-wrapi18n-perl

2003-06-20 Thread Tomohiro KUBOTA
Hi, (Please Cc: me.) I'd like to upload these two Perl modules. Though I wrote these modules myself to be used by debconf, I will upload these modules to CPAN and these packages won't be debian-specific package. See a thread of discussion in debian-i18n list starting from: http://lists.debian.o

Bug#198260: ITP: streamtuner -- A GUI audio stream directory browser

2003-06-20 Thread Ari Pollak
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-06-20 Severity: wishlist -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: streamtuner Version : 0.9.1 Upstream Author : Jean-Yves Lefort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.nongnu.org/streamtuner * Licen

Re: Advice needed : Oracle and Debian Linux

2003-06-20 Thread Kevin Kreamer
Michael Meskes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 12:53:34AM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: >> As for the support people, I don't think that necessarily makes it >> impossible. >> If you started up a company to produce a commercial distribution based on >> Debian for running Ora

Re: Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003, Sebastian Kapfer wrote: > > Also P MMX seems meaningless to me. MMX was, I think, introduced in > > Pentium Pro (which is still a i586 according to uname) > > Really? Seems wrong to me. Indeed. MMX and PPro are orthogonal features. -- Sam.

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le ven 20/06/2003 à 15:39, Mathieu Roy a écrit : > Skipping 386 for 486 seems acceptable because nowadays, a distro > requires more HD space and RAM than it's possible to add with usual > 386 motherboards, but dropping all Pentiums until Pentium II > generation seems completely foolish. I hope I mi

Re: Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Sebastian Kapfer
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:40:13 +0200, Cyrille Chepelov wrote: >> I'd drop the sub-pentiums (i.e. 386 and 486) entirely. Not that my vote >> would count... > > Hmmm. Until all of glibc, the kernel and gcc deprecate and discard > support for 386 and 486, One of them is enough to be a showstopper. >

Re: Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Theo Cabrerizo Diem
We run lot of P100 and P233 with hostap to provide internet access to our customers with 2.4Ghz wi-fi. And some customers have P200,233MMX as firewalls/mail servers/proxy. I think 386 boxes are really slow ... and the admins of that boxes have faster boxes to build specific packages.. but maybe n

Re: Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Mathieu Roy
Cyrille Chepelov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > Le Fri, Jun 20, 2003, à 07:15:45PM +0200, Sebastian Kapfer a écrit: > > > > but dropping all Pentiums until Pentium II generation > > > seems completely foolish. I hope I misunderstood your message. > > > > I'd drop the sub-pentiums (i.e. 386 and

Re: [mass bug filing?] Short descriptions being used as long descriptions and other policy violations

2003-06-20 Thread Brian Nelson
Javier FernÃndez-Sanguino PeÃa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > I was wondering, should I make a mass filing of bugs for those packages > who fail to produce a proper description? > > I would probably first do so for the packages whose short description = > long description or who do not have

Re: Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Cyrille Chepelov
Le Fri, Jun 20, 2003, à 07:15:45PM +0200, Sebastian Kapfer a écrit: > > but dropping all Pentiums until Pentium II generation > > seems completely foolish. I hope I misunderstood your message. > > I'd drop the sub-pentiums (i.e. 386 and 486) entirely. Not that my vote > would count... Hmmm. Un

Re: Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 13:15, Sebastian Kapfer wrote: > I'd drop the sub-pentiums (i.e. 386 and 486) entirely. Not that my vote > would count... Making the cut at the Pentium as opposed to i486 would have some benefits; the Pentium introduced some new instructions such as cmpxchg8b that are actual

Re: Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 01:58:08PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > They will if they want security updates for their firewall. > > You mean debian provided security updates. Users can always upgrade and > compile software themselves. Judging by the volu

Re: Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Adam Heath
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 03:26:08PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > > > >1918space and are masqueraded to the outside internet by a firewall/gateway > > >running Debian on a 486 or low end pentium. I believe this to be a fairly > > >significant pro

Re: [mass bug filing?] Short descriptions being used as long descriptions and other policy violations

2003-06-20 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 05:53:09PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > I was wondering, should I make a mass filing of bugs for those packages > who fail to produce a proper description? Yes, please! Daniel

Re: not modified modifications

2003-06-20 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 04:59:00PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 12:36:49AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > > > i am very sure, I did never have touched this file, so why is dpkg always > > asking me if i want to overwrite it? IS this a dpkg problem, is it a > > packaging

Re: aptitude borked [was: Re: Fun with python-apt]

2003-06-20 Thread Daniel Burrows
Have you tried "dpkg --remove apt-listchanges" or "dpkg --purge apt-listchanges"? Daniel -- / Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ---\ | "You see, I've already stolen the spork of wisdom | |and the spork of courage.. t

Re: Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Sebastian Kapfer
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:20:13 +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: > If so, are you kidding? The Pentium classic (i586) was still available > in 1997. It is still available even today. Not sure where to get a mainboard for this beast, but just a week ago I saw it on a price list. > I know a lot of person wh

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 03:26:08PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > >1918space and are masqueraded to the outside internet by a firewall/gateway > >running Debian on a 486 or low end pentium. I believe this to be a fairly > >significant proportion of our userbase and I'd oppose any move to >

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Andreas Barth
* Stephen Stafford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030620 15:35]: > Judging from my random contacts with users, it's a fairly usual setup to see > a network of higher (500Mhz+) end hardware machines which sit on a LAN in > 1918space and are masqueraded to the outside internet by a firewall/gateway > running D

Re: aptitude borked [was: Re: Fun with python-apt]

2003-06-20 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
"David A. Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > guarantee it will work because it seems as though apt thinks > apt-listchanges is still installed. This is a matter of configuration files; try purging apt-listchanges, and if that doesn't work remove /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20listchanges yourself. --

Re: aptitude borked [was: Re: Fun with python-apt]

2003-06-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 10:27:14AM -0400, David A. Greene wrote: > Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > >If you had wanted to find out the answer before sending this to > >debian-devel, you would not have had to look very far. > >bugs.debian.org/python-apt has the answer three times over. > > > >http://bugs

Re: Advice needed : Oracle and Debian Linux

2003-06-20 Thread Michael Meskes
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 12:53:34AM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: > As for the support people, I don't think that necessarily makes it > impossible. > If you started up a company to produce a commercial distribution based on > Debian for running Oracle then having your people answer the phones at

[mass bug filing?] Short descriptions being used as long descriptions and other policy violations

2003-06-20 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
Policy section 2.3.3 states: The description should be written so that it gives the system administrator enough information to decide whether to install the package. However I've found a number of packages which use a long description which is more or less the _same_ as the short

Re: not modified modifications

2003-06-20 Thread Adam Heath
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 12:36:49AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > > > i am very sure, I did never have touched this file, so why is dpkg always > > asking me if i want to overwrite it? IS this a dpkg problem, is it a > > packaging problem, or is is a s

aptitude borked [was: Re: Fun with python-apt]

2003-06-20 Thread David A. Greene
Matt Zimmerman wrote: If you had wanted to find out the answer before sending this to debian-devel, you would not have had to look very far. bugs.debian.org/python-apt has the answer three times over. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=193566 That's not particularly helpful. Consider

Re: Proposal: removing libc5, altgcc and all their old-days dependencies

2003-06-20 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 05:33:28PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > > On Thursday, Jun 19, 2003, at 06:57 US/Eastern, Francesco P. Lovergine > wrote: > > >And surely Debian DOES NOT support > >non-free (in DFSG sense) software, > > No, but we do support our users who attempt to run it. See cl

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Andreas Rottmann
Stephen Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm not fully convinced that moving up to full 686 optimisation has that > many benefits under all but the highest loads anyway (in userspace at least, > we already have processor specific kernels). Do you have a link to > a URL with studies/analysis

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 02:25:52PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > As i686 is already like ten(?) years old, I was intrigued by this statement and went to look it up. CPU:Released: - 80386 1985 80486 1989 Pentium 1993 Pentium Pro 1

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Mathieu Roy
Adam Borowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > > In any case we need to make clear if we allow 486 optimisation that > > are not i386 compatible or not. > What about perusing the INT 6 idea, and going all the way up to i686? > As i686 is already like ten(?) years old, I would say 99.9% [1] machine

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Stephen Stafford
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 03:28:02PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Stephen Stafford wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 02:25:52PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > What about perusing the INT 6 idea, and going all the way up to i686? > > While I support the removal of 386 support

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 02:25:52PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > I would say 99.9% [1] machines that run sarge are 686 and higher -- Please provide real data that backs this assertion up. > moving to i686-specific optimizations would be good for the vast > majority of users Please provide

Re: Bug#198190: ITP: upx-ucl-beta -- an efficient live-compressor for executables (beta version)

2003-06-20 Thread Mario Lang
Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Robert Luberda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I intend to package an unstable (beta) version of upx. >> This version supports compresing of the Linux kernel and thus >> can be used by our boot floppies team. > > Isn't the kernel already compressed? I

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Stephen Stafford
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 03:26:08PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > > Stephen Stafford wrote: > > >While I support the removal of 386 support, I absolutely and strenuously > >object to going to 686. 686 isn't all that old at all (1997 IIRC), and I > >use a nunber of 4/586 machines still (I h

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread David Goodenough
On Friday 20 June 2003 13:25, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Bill Allombert wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 09:51:07AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > > > - drop the i386 support > > > > What we have not yet decided is whether we drop i386 support for C++ > > packages or for all pack

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Stephen Stafford wrote: > On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 02:25:52PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > What about perusing the INT 6 idea, and going all the way up to i686? > While I support the removal of 386 support, I absolutely and strenuously > object to going to 686. 686 isn't all

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Stephen Stafford wrote: While I support the removal of 386 support, I absolutely and strenuously object to going to 686. 686 isn't all that old at all (1997 IIRC), and I use a nunber of 4/586 machines still (I have one 486 which I use for embedded development and 3 P100 boxen which are used for va

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Stephen Stafford
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 02:25:52PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > In any case we need to make clear if we allow 486 optimisation that > > are not i386 compatible or not. > What about perusing the INT 6 idea, and going all the way up to i686? > As i686 is already like ten(?) years old, I would say

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 09:51:07AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > > - drop the i386 support > What we have not yet decided is whether we drop i386 support for C++ > packages or for all packages. If we choose the former, the mini-i386 > will just need to

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Re: Bug#198190: ITP: upx-ucl-beta -- an efficient live-compressor for executables (beta version)

2003-06-20 Thread Peter Makholm
Robert Luberda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I intend to package an unstable (beta) version of upx. > This version supports compresing of the Linux kernel and thus > can be used by our boot floppies team. Isn't the kernel already compressed? -- Peter Makholm |One thing you do is p

Bug#198190: ITP: upx-ucl-beta -- an efficient live-compressor for executables (beta version)

2003-06-20 Thread Robert Luberda
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-06-20 Severity: wishlist Hi, I intend to package an unstable (beta) version of upx. This version supports compresing of the Linux kernel and thus can be used by our boot floppies team. * Package name: upx-ucl-beta Version : 1.91

Re: Bug#197907: ITP: quark -- an audio player, for geeks, by geeks.

2003-06-20 Thread Nick Phillips
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 09:39:30AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > > Well, except that it doesn't actually describe the package well. Maybe > > > > insert "FIFO controlled" before "audio player." > > > > > > Or better, "FIFO-controlled", so it doesn't read like a past-tense > > > sentence fra

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le ven 20/06/2003 à 10:58, Bill Allombert a écrit : > What we have not yet decided is whether we drop i386 support for C++ > packages or for all packages. If we choose the former, the mini-i386 > will just need to contain the important C++ packages. If we choose > the later, developers can start to

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Bill Allombert
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 09:51:07AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > Package: general > Severity: serious > Tags: sarge, sid > > [please don't reassign to any gcc/libstdc++ package] > > The solution I would favour would be: > > - drop the i386 support > > - keep the i386 architecture name > > - l

Re: rsync in apt sources.list?

2003-06-20 Thread Dan Jacobson
>> Doing apt-get update just seems to start downloading the Packages.gz >> even though we just rsynced Packages. Tim> It could easily be a bug. Radim> It writes HIT! message there and skip this file, because it is Radim> up-to-date by rsync. Next time I will try with http_proxy unset, because I rec

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-20 Thread Matthias Klose
Package: general Severity: serious Tags: sarge, sid [please don't reassign to any gcc/libstdc++ package] Nathanel's summary: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200304/msg02112.html A list of proposals what to do: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200305/m

Re: Bug#198125: ITP: gtk-industrial-engine -- Flat-looking GTK engine from Ximian

2003-06-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le ven 20/06/2003 à 00:15, Josselin Mouette a écrit : > * Package name: gtk-industrial-engine > Version : 0.2.26 > Upstream Author : Owen Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Alexander Larsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Christopher Lahey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >

Re: Package Lists and Size

2003-06-20 Thread Glenn McGrath
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:50:46 +1000 Anthony Towns wrote: > No, you don't. We've done the maths, incremental --ed style diffs are > the way to do this: they make for by far the smallest download, and > minimal archive bloat. ed style diffs can be a problem in that the same diff can be applied mult

Re: Proposal: removing libc5, altgcc and all their old-days dependencies

2003-06-20 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 09:43:23PM +0200, David Weinehall wrote: > > You, and rest of the minority who use libc5 program, can dual-boot > an older distribution of Debian (say potato) where the programs still > work. Yes, it can be a hassle, but it works. > Also woody... -- Francesco P. Lovergi

Re: Bug#198125: ITP: gtk-industrial-engine -- Flat-looking GTK engine from Ximian

2003-06-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le ven 20/06/2003 à 08:30, Tobias Wolter a écrit : > On 2003-06-20T00:15:48+0200 (Friday), Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > Package: wnpp > > Version: unavailable; reported 2003-06-19 > > Severity: wishlist > > > > * Package name: gtk-industrial-engine > > "gtk-engines" is the common prefix for

versions of -dev packages

2003-06-20 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
Hello. I am running several systems that are a mix of stable, testing and sid, with apt preferences set up such that stable is the highest priority, testing lower than stable, sid lower that testing. When something from e.g. sid is needed for some reason, I run apt-get -t unstable install xxx T

Re: Proposal: removing libc5, altgcc and all their old-days dependencies

2003-06-20 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 02:35:18PM +1200, Philip Charles wrote: > As long as these doc's exist someone will make money by providing the > means of reading them, if OOo does not. That someone is Microsoft. > IMHO, the problem has been resolved.

Re: Package Lists and Size

2003-06-20 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 01:41:10PM +1200, Corrin Lakeland wrote: > > So, i think if there .diff's exist, maybe apt-get can patch the > > Changes into the files on the client, or a small wrapper arround > > apt-get can do this.. > Goodness, you are the second person to ask for this in a month. Diff

Re: Bug#198125: ITP: gtk-industrial-engine -- Flat-looking GTK engine from Ximian

2003-06-20 Thread Tobias Wolter
On 2003-06-20T00:15:48+0200 (Friday), Josselin Mouette wrote: > Package: wnpp > Version: unavailable; reported 2003-06-19 > Severity: wishlist > > * Package name: gtk-industrial-engine "gtk-engines" is the common prefix for GTK engine packages, so you should use gtk-engines-industrial, IMHO.

Re: docbook kernel docs and debian unstable

2003-06-20 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
AFAICT debian-user would have been a more appropriate place for this. On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 16:25:54 -0400, John F Davis wrote: > I am trying to read the docs in the Documentation/DocBook directory of a > linux kernel. > > I do this: make pdfdocs and I get an error about need to install docbook

Re: Final call for votes for the Condorcet/Cloneproof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-20 Thread Angus Lees
At Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:06:14 +1000, Angus Lees wrote: > [vote] i am teh l4mer -- - Gus